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LexDiamond 11-03-2012 12:56
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35397417)
Not correct.

Are you seriously suggesting that people would leave a service that is really good and better than Sky in many ways, for the sake of just one channel?

I really want Atlantic, but Sky fail to deliver other, more important things for me.
Well that was the point was it not. Imagine your favorite channel that is a pay tv channel. Now imaginr VM get rid of it. Would you still stay with VM? Most people probably wouldn't.

Sky Atlantic is Sky's equivalent of VM's Tivo. It will have little impact on current customers as both have been around for more than a full contract period so Sky customets probably don't really see Tivo as all that much and VM customers probably don't actually care too much for Atlantic.

Its only on forums where Sky customers seem to think the world cannot live without Atlantic and VM customers think you can no longer watch tv without Tivo are these irrelevant things relevant. The rest of the world couldn't care less.

Wild Oscar 11-03-2012 20:35
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I struggle to find anything worth watching these days ...

Hugh 11-03-2012 20:39
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35397466)
Well that was the point was it not. Imagine your favorite channel that is a pay tv channel. Now imaginr VM get rid of it. Would you still stay with VM? Most people probably wouldn't.

Sky Atlantic is Sky's equivalent of VM's Tivo. It will have little impact on current customers as both have been around for more than a full contract period so Sky customets probably don't really see Tivo as all that much and VM customers probably don't actually care too much for Atlantic.

Its only on forums where Sky customers seem to think the world cannot live without Atlantic and VM customers think you can no longer watch tv without Tivo are these irrelevant things relevant. The rest of the world couldn't care less.
:handshake:gpoint:

Arthurgray50@blu 11-03-2012 21:13
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Today my wife was going through all the channels on VM (the same as Sky) and said to me, ' all this money we pay out for channels and most of them are crap' and l just laughed and for once l totally agree with her.

We all moan that certain channels that customers want ie Atlantic etc, is there for Sky, yet l have never watched it. Premier Sports (or Setanta) is on Sky but not VM l would love to see that channel - so the viewer wants and wants, But as VM Say's 'we are in talks'

denphone 11-03-2012 21:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35397726)
Today my wife was going through all the channels on VM (the same as Sky) and said to me, ' all this money we pay out for channels and most of them are crap' and l just laughed and for once l totally agree with her.

We all moan that certain channels that customers want ie Atlantic etc, is there for Sky, yet l have never watched it. Premier Sports (or Setanta) is on Sky but not VM l would love to see that channel - so the viewer wants and wants, But as VM Say's 'we are in talks'
l think you will find that in some cases the fault usually lies with the provider of channels as in many cases they are simply asking too much in carriage fees and in Skys case some HD channel variants are simply being with-held for their own selfish reasons.

carlwaring 11-03-2012 21:55
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Oscar (Post 35397707)
I struggle to find anything worth watching these days ...
1. Then why are you wasting your money on a VM sub?
2. You think there'll be any more to watch on Sky?

:D

Wild Oscar 11-03-2012 22:20
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I'm not!
I get the minimum TV service free with the phone line , but I hardly ever use it!
I f I watch anything I use the freeview tuner in my DVD/HD recorder .. the rugby that was on this afternoon for example.
I also have the 50Mb broadband and get a bundle discount for having all 3 services.

Arthurgray50@blu 11-03-2012 22:49
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A problem here is that some customers of VM and Sky are paying too much money for what they get.

I am to blame also as l pay a staggering £75.00 for VM each month, that inc tv ,bb and phone. for XL, on Sky l pay £80.00 per mth, but only get Tv, but get the whole lot. If l stopped and went Freeview, l would not get the football.

So l cannot complain, BUT l can complain that if these companies stopped giving away freebee's to NEW customers, then l think it would stop. As an existing customer l cannot get the same deals as new customers. ie my mother in law can get BB for half price, whereas l pay the full price and VM say l cannot change it.

I have been told that we have to pay the top price for Tv bb and phone to cover the cost - unless someone knows different, we also know of someone who can get the SAME package as us,- £15.00 cheaper

Hugh 11-03-2012 22:52
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£155 per month for TV/Telephone/BB - heavens above!

Arthurgray50@blu 11-03-2012 23:02
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If l could get VM cheaper then l would go with VM, but VM have told me that they cannot reduce my cost, yet what annoys me that l hear on this forum, that they can get the same package cheaper.

An yet, yet VM offer cheap deals for everyone else, but for existing customers they cannot get the deals.

Hugh 11-03-2012 23:10
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Why do you have both Sky & VM?

Arthurgray50@blu 11-03-2012 23:28
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Hugh, I have Sky as it gives me the full package, l joined VM to get the phone line and BB. I also get free ESPN for the football.

Now with the financial problems going on now, l have to get rid of one of them, I cannot afford both, Sky will not reduce the cost, and we have asked VM and they have said as established customers we cannot change the deal. This is what annoys us that other customers and new customers are getting better deals than us.

For example we are paying £25.00 for BB, and new customers are getting it for £11.99 and VM won't change it

tridens 11-03-2012 23:32
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Why pay for sky and vigin services £150 together you can only watch one at a time more money than sense?

carlwaring 11-03-2012 23:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Oscar (Post 35397749)
I'm not!
Fair enough. My mistake :)

Wild Oscar 12-03-2012 00:10
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35397770)
I cannot afford both, Sky will not reduce the cost, and we have asked VM and they have said as established customers we cannot change the deal.
Hey Arthur!, as all VM prices are going up , I believe you can cancel whenever you like ...

passingbat 12-03-2012 12:08
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35397758)
A problem here is that some customers of VM and Sky are paying too much money for what they get.

I am to blame also as l pay a staggering £75.00 for VM each month, that inc tv ,bb and phone. for XL, on Sky l pay £80.00 per mth, but only get Tv, but get the whole lot. If l stopped and went Freeview, l would not get the football.

So l cannot complain, BUT l can complain that if these companies stopped giving away freebee's to NEW customers, then l think it would stop. As an existing customer l cannot get the same deals as new customers. ie my mother in law can get BB for half price, whereas l pay the full price and VM say l cannot change it.

I have been told that we have to pay the top price for Tv bb and phone to cover the cost - unless someone knows different, we also know of someone who can get the SAME package as us,- £15.00 cheaper

It sounds as if when Sky get fibre broadband, then you could move completely over to Sky and save a lot of money.

I think when Sky get fibre BB, a lot of people will consider moving to Sky and VM should start to plan to counteract that, given that ATM, Sky win on TV and Phone and VM omly have BB and Tivo and one of those will soon be neuttralised. Tivo wll keep me, but how many others will seriously consider Sky when they get fibre? Quite a few I think.

borrissey 12-03-2012 12:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35397885)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35397758)
A problem here is that some customers of VM and Sky are paying too much money for what they get.

I am to blame also as l pay a staggering £75.00 for VM each month, that inc tv ,bb and phone. for XL, on Sky l pay £80.00 per mth, but only get Tv, but get the whole lot. If l stopped and went Freeview, l would not get the football.

So l cannot complain, BUT l can complain that if these companies stopped giving away freebee's to NEW customers, then l think it would stop. As an existing customer l cannot get the same deals as new customers. ie my mother in law can get BB for half price, whereas l pay the full price and VM say l cannot change it.

I have been told that we have to pay the top price for Tv bb and phone to cover the cost - unless someone knows different, we also know of someone who can get the SAME package as us,- £15.00 cheaper

It sounds as if when Sky get fibre broadband, then you could move completely over to Sky and save a lot of money.

I think when Sky get fibre BB, a lot of people will consider moving to Sky and VM should start to plan to counteract that, given that ATM, Sky win on TV and Phone and VM omly have BB and Tivo and one of those will soon be neuttralised. Tivo wll keep me, but how many others will seriously consider Sky when they get fibre? Quite a few I think.
Are sky going to be using Bts infinity?

passingbat 12-03-2012 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by borrissey (Post 35397891)
Are sky going to be using Bts infinity?
Presumably they are using BT's fibre network; whether it is re sold Infinity or Sky's equipment in the exchange, I don't know, but I seem to recall reading somewhere, that Sky plan to launch fibre in April. Not sure how true that is though.

muppetman11 12-03-2012 14:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35397896)
Presumably they are using BT's fibre network; whether it is re sold Infinity or Sky's equipment in the exchange, I don't know, but I seem to recall reading somewhere, that Sky plan to launch fibre in April. Not sure how true that is though.
http://corporate.sky.com/investors/p...w_fibre_launch

Alan Fry 12-03-2012 14:40
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35397226)
Hi muppetman, I will say this only once, VM are good on the phone service, my main gripe with VM, is that yes VM do show the nature of there products BFORE you choose, BUT they also give out promises that they don't keep.

Ie 80 HD channels are on the horizon, In talks with Premier Sports, Atlantic etc, how long do these talks take there are unhappy customers out there that ARE still with VM and rant apart from myself.

I believe in you get what you pay for BUT you cannot justify putting the price up like we are having, without an increase in products.

I have said before that l don't mind paying more IF the channels increased.

One more time I like VM phone / BB, But the TV needs looking at
We don't have even 70 HD channels even in Sky

carlwaring 12-03-2012 16:18
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Indeed. There are, according to this post, only 64 :)

gaz2810i 13-03-2012 20:13
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This Price increase has seriously made me question the cost of my services. It has also made me realise how expensive Virgin is compared with Sky. I have just been on the phone to both companies and I am shocked with what I have heard.

I am on the top VIP package, with two TiVo boxes, and pay around £105.

Needing to cut costs I managed to get Virgin down to around £69.90 by cutting the phone extras, loosing Sky Sports and sky movies, while lowing my Internet to 20 meg. Fantastic I thought...

I then asked about keeping Sky premium and the costs went back up to VIP levels. well £99 (no HD)

I then phoned Sky and amazingly they only wanted £60 for their full Broadband, TV and phone package without the sports and movies. This included multi-room and HD. With Sports and movies it came to a price of £88.

OK I would loose TiVo, ESPN, the great OD service and broadband would be 2 meg instead of 20, but I could keep sky Sports and sky movies, get more HD and finally experience Sky Atlantic for myself.

borrissey 13-03-2012 20:13
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WOW Just spoke to Sky all that I have now is: £53 + £9 + £10.25 + £10.25 = £82.50.

I'm better off staying lol.

gaz2810i 13-03-2012 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by borrissey (Post 35398818)
WOW Just spoke to Sky all that I have now is: £53 + £9 + £10.25 + £10.25 = £82.50.

I'm better off staying lol.
Whats that for?

I was told if you get multi-room you get sky HD included.

I love my Virgin media services but honestly, i just don't know if the extras are worth th extra costs.

TonyHoyle 13-03-2012 20:27
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Plus the cost of the phone line, normally £12 (and, if you don't have a BT line already, possible £150 install charge).

Easy to cost sky without taking that into account.

SnoopZ 13-03-2012 20:44
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Sky is far more expensive for me too if i wanted to just replace the TV part of VM, if they dropped the HD charge of £10.25 a month then maybe it could be a viable option.

gaz2810i 13-03-2012 20:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyHoyle (Post 35398827)
Plus the cost of the phone line, normally £12 (and, if you don't have a BT line already, possible £150 install charge).

Easy to cost sky without taking that into account.
Nope I was told it included the line rental and install charges are free, only £10 for line setup.

I just rang them back to confirm was given the same info.

borrissey 13-03-2012 20:56
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It's for what i got now which is XL TV, Movies and sports collections, ESPN, Prem HD, Multiroom.

Then there's the £12 phone line charge on top of that which you MUST have if you want multiroom. It was for 2 Sky HD boxes.

So would be a upgrade in channels and a down grade in boxes because I have 2 TiVOs.

I pay £72 a month, come April 1st. Thats with what I listed not the phone line.

Arthurgray50@blu 13-03-2012 23:32
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I was thinking of going to VM, but over a farce today with my son, FOUR calls todayto various parts of the world, to try and sort out a problem, and today it was his FIRST DAY, and they made a cock up. l might stay where l am

paulsouth 13-03-2012 23:43
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35397726)
Today my wife was going through all the channels on VM (the same as Sky) and said to me, ' all this money we pay out for channels and most of them are crap' and l just laughed and for once l totally agree with her.

We all moan that certain channels that customers want ie Atlantic etc, is there for Sky, yet l have never watched it. Premier Sports (or Setanta) is on Sky but not VM l would love to see that channel - so the viewer wants and wants, But as VM Say's 'we are in talks'
i got sky,virgin media and freeview..
most of the time me and my lady watch normal tv 1 to 5..
i dont know why i bother with sky and virgin media?

GrimUpNorth 13-03-2012 23:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35398929)
I was thinking of going to VM, but over a farce today with my son, FOUR calls todayto various parts of the world, to try and sort out a problem, and today it was his FIRST DAY, and they made a cock up. l might stay where l am
Now come on Arthur, be honest, you'd have been upset if he'd received a service you couldn't complain about.

Cheers

Grim

greeninferno 14-03-2012 14:00
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulsouth (Post 35398933)
i got sky,virgin media and freeview..
most of the time me and my lady watch normal tv 1 to 5..
i dont know why i bother with sky and virgin media?
greater selection of HD channels?

really is a chore to watch SD on a big TV these days.

sniper007 20-03-2012 19:46
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So what are people finding when they phone up and complain about the price rises? Are retentions actually bringing it back down a notch or are you told nothing can be done?

Also can someone confirm I can leave without paying cancellation fee as they have changed all the pricing?

Ray.uk 20-03-2012 20:28
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Called retentions explained as pensioners money was tight could they help in any way going to rise £4.50 from April,from 99.45p
Now on same bundle but at £96.45 on new 12 month contract.this includes a £2 loyalty bonus[Runs out 2014 or on new contract deal] been with cable since Nynex days

carlwaring 20-03-2012 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402883)
So what are people finding when they phone up and complain about the price rises?
Some of us aren't complaining and are just accepting that prices go up.

Besides, there's not a lot they can do for me anyway; seeing as I'm on XL for everything but BB; and that's being doubled in time.

Quote:
Also can someone confirm I can leave without paying cancellation fee as they have changed all the pricing?
I believe so.

sniper007 20-03-2012 21:41
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Well sky are currently offering ridiculously good deals especially via cashback sites so I will probably phone and cancel and wait and see what they offer me.

denphone 20-03-2012 21:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402961)
Well sky are currently offering ridiculously good deals especially via cashback sites so I will probably phone and cancel and wait and see what they offer me.
But remember what comes down in the short term invariably rises in the medium to longer term so its swings and roundabouts to be perfectly honest.:)

sniper007 20-03-2012 21:55
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Well just made a sky basket and it's about £4 cheaper per month for exactly the same package. But there would be a one off cost of £199 for a HD sky+ box as I want multiroom. This is off set by the fact I can get £100+ via quidco cashback, and an additional £100 M&S voucher. Sky has more HD content and F1 channel which is huge for me but...

- Internet is much worse
- Only dual tuners in their Set top boxes right?
- I dislike the sky interface
- No on demand
- I have to have a sky dish and BT wiring all redone
- it's murdochs empire
- TIVO looks promising in the future once they perfect it at VM

The hassle of changing to save a fiver per month with internet that will annoy me.... I think I'd be happy with VM just knocking a couple of quid off my bill.
I will ring them tomorrow.

BenMcr 20-03-2012 21:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402971)
- No on demand.
To be fair to Sky, that's not completely true. Anytime+ is a lot closer to On Demand than they've had before, but still requires a decent net connection etc

carlwaring 20-03-2012 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402971)
- TIVO looks promising in the future once they perfect it at VM
Seriously? :rolleyes: No tech is ever perfect, so you might be waiting a while :(

andrewbrown 20-03-2012 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402971)
The hassle of changing to save a fiver per month with internet that will annoy me....
...till Sky review their prices for September!

denphone 20-03-2012 22:16
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Originally Posted by andrewbrown (Post 35402984)
...till Sky review their prices for September!
And have no doubt they will go up just as much as Virgins.

sniper007 20-03-2012 22:17
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How does everyone know they will review their prices in september? I read that a lot on here. Is that when they are fixed until?

---------- Post added at 21:17 ---------- Previous post was at 21:16 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35402988)
And have no doubt they will go up just as much as Virgins.
Why do you have no doubt? Again, I read this a lot. I'm not denying they will just asking why people say this. With what certainty I mean...justify your statement.

andrewbrown 20-03-2012 22:18
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Sky froze their prices last year, advertising it as frozen until August 2012.

denphone 20-03-2012 22:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402989)
How does everyone know they will review their prices in september? I read that a lot on here. Is that when they are fixed until?

---------- Post added at 21:17 ---------- Previous post was at 21:16 ----------



Why do you have no doubt? Again, I read this a lot. I'm not denying they will just asking why people say this. With what certainty I mean...justify your statement.
Sky froze their prices last year but will not do that for a second year in a row so price rises are inevitable come September and if you don't think that will happen then you are in for a nasty surprise.

muppetman11 20-03-2012 22:30
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Why not let sniper007 make his own mind up , only he knows his requirements , I'm sure if he needs advice he'll ask , be it here or the Sky section.

denphone 20-03-2012 22:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35403004)
Why not let sniper007 make his own mind up , only he knows his requirements , I'm sure if he needs advice he'll ask , be it here or the Sky section.
l totally agree MM.

Dave42 20-03-2012 22:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35403008)
l totally agree MM.
both VM's and sky's prices getting far to high now

carlwaring 20-03-2012 23:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewbrown (Post 35402984)
...till Sky review their prices for September!
Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402989)
How does everyone know they will review their prices in september? I read that a lot on here. Is that when they are fixed until?
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewbrown (Post 35402992)
Sky froze their prices last year, advertising it as frozen until August 2012.
Indeed. Just like VM have a price increase every April, Sky's is every September. Except last year (after they had just put their prices up again before September for once, then touted "prices held until August 2012"; ie just before another annual price rise.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35402989)
Why do you have no doubt? Again, I read this a lot. I'm not denying they will just asking why people say this. With what certainty I mean...justify your statement.
Because both VM and Sky have annual price rise. (Last year excepted for Sky; as above.)

thunderlips 21-03-2012 00:14
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I rang up vm got myself a Tivo and accepted the rise and spoke to vm about this so got a small discount ! like my wife said to me :- put up, shut up or move on ! lol so i put up and shut up ! lol

denphone 21-03-2012 07:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35403017)
both VM's and sky's prices getting far to high now
Yes they are indeed but l look at it as if there are 4 luxury's in life and they are drink,cigarettes,good food and subscription TV so to our household as we don't drink or smoke the other two are very much our luxury's in our household.:)

sniper007 21-03-2012 08:07
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The thing is it's all or nothing. They make it very bad value for the customer to NOT get a full package with either company, so it's basically all sky or all virgin. I like the Virgin broadband which is important to me, but sky TV is better.
I tried to reduce my cost by looking at Virgin M level and it's so deliberately inferior to TV XL that it's justfunny. For me I only require 2-3 of the XL channels but yet I have to subscribe to the whole thing to get it. The best/fairest way would be for a company to come forward and charge on a per channel basis, but that business model will never happen because there are two main competitors (sky/virgin) that like their current package business models which they gain a lot of money from. Of the 200 odd channels I probably have on XL I genuinely watch and record from perhaps 20 of them. Want Nickjunior for kids? Requires XL. No other method to get one channel from XL you want.

carlwaring 21-03-2012 09:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35403128)
Yes they are indeed but l look at it as if there are 4 luxury's in life and they are drink,cigarettes,good food and subscription TV so to our household as we don't drink or smoke the other two are very much our luxury's in our household.:)
Indeed. That's why I can afford it too. I don't drink (alcohol!), smoke or go our socialising (and therefore spending money!) so it all goes on cable.

Itshim 21-03-2012 09:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35403145)
The thing is it's all or nothing. They make it very bad value for the customer to NOT get a full package with either company, so it's basically all sky or all virgin. I like the Virgin broadband which is important to me, but sky TV is better.
I tried to reduce my cost by looking at Virgin M level and it's so deliberately inferior to TV XL that it's justfunny. For me I only require 2-3 of the XL channels but yet I have to subscribe to the whole thing to get it. The best/fairest way would be for a company to come forward and charge on a per channel basis, but that business model will never happen because there are two main competitors (sky/virgin) that like their current package business models which they gain a lot of money from. Of the 200 odd channels I probably have on XL I genuinely watch and record from perhaps 20 of them. Want Nickjunior for kids? Requires XL. No other method to get one channel from XL you want.
So true we watch on a regular basis perhaps 10 channels only + 3 to 4 when family members are with us. 3 are XL only . Thats life:p:

carlwaring 21-03-2012 09:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35403145)
I tried to reduce my cost by looking at Virgin M level and it's so deliberately inferior to TV XL that it's just funny.
(I think you meant "not funny", right? :)) Anyway... of course they're so different. That's the idea :rolleyes:
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For me I only require 2-3 of the XL channels but yet I have to subscribe to the whole thing to get it.
Me too. In fact, I would think that that's the same for everyone; even thouse with "Sky World" (or whatever it's called now.) You think anyone has the time to watch 100s of channels? :eek: I have barely enough time to watch the things I record off the half-dozen or so channels I regularly watch.

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The best/fairest way would be for a company to come forward and charge on a per channel basis, but that business model will never happen because there are two main competitors (sky/virgin) that like their current package business models which they gain a lot of money from.
Channel carriage ain't cheap and my guess is that it would probably cost nearly as much as it does now for just half-dozen channels I regularly watch.

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Of the 200 odd channels I probably have on XL I genuinely watch and record from perhaps 20 of them. Want Nickjunior for kids? Requires XL. No other method to get one channel from XL you want.
You're not wrong and it is annoying. Just not sure your way would be cheaper.

gaz2810i 21-03-2012 10:06
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Well, I just gave Virgin one last chance to try and keep me and they just can't match the discounts (well I say match, they won't offer any) offered to me by sky. I really need to save money and unfortunately, in the short term at least, Sky are the cheapest option. :(

sniper007 21-03-2012 11:28
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Yep. It comes down to price. Becoming a new customer with either obviously is going to be cheaper due to new customer deals.

What I want to know, is if I phone up and they offer me TIVO to keep me happy, can I keep my existing 2 x V+ HD boxes so in effect I get a third multiroom for free if I connect up the cable to that room? I'm assuming I would be asked for the box back and/or I can't just hook up another room willy nilly, or atleast not legally. Surely a cable feed is a cable feed though and if I split it and feed to another room...it would work if I have an activated STB?

daggman 21-03-2012 12:22
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It will be good for you to try out sky for a year, then in the future you can always play them of against each other, I have just terminated VM for TV and Phone and gone back to Sky i have got Sky world with HD pack (F1 in glorious HD)for 12 months all for 23.50 a month 75% off plus £50 credit to my account unbelievable deal, after 12 months will see who offers the best deal again. As a side note activated Sky anytime+ yesterday and really impressed lots and lots of content, have to use the +1 channels now again for recording, miss the 3 tuners but thats about it.

Dave42 21-03-2012 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz2810i (Post 35403180)
Well, I just gave Virgin one last chance to try and keep me and they just can't match the discounts (well I say match, they won't offer any) offered to me by sky. I really need to save money and unfortunately, in the short term at least, Sky are the cheapest option. :(
don't forget sky will be putting up prices in september for certain

gaz2810i 21-03-2012 13:18
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35403260)
don't forget sky will be putting up prices in september for certain
That may be the case but not more than the £40 I will be saving by joining Sky and cutting the Movie channels

TBH I am still questioning my decision as I will be going from fast BB to very slow BB + I have an aweful feeling I will miss TV immensly :(

---------- Post added at 12:18 ---------- Previous post was at 12:16 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by daggman (Post 35403250)
It will be good for you to try out sky for a year, then in the future you can always play them of against each other, I have just terminated VM for TV and Phone and gone back to Sky i have got Sky world with HD pack (F1 in glorious HD)for 12 months all for 23.50 a month 75% off plus £50 credit to my account unbelievable deal, after 12 months will see who offers the best deal again. As a side note activated Sky anytime+ yesterday and really impressed lots and lots of content, have to use the +1 channels now again for recording, miss the 3 tuners but thats about it.
That is kinda where I am at. How did you get that deal, thats a great price.

gcampbell 21-03-2012 13:19
Re: TV price rises
 
I switched to Sky at the start of the year and if prices do go up in September then the way I look at it is like this, what's the worst scenario?

Be with Sky who put up their prices and provide all the TV programmes that I want to see

or

Be with Virgin who put up their prices and don't provide all the TV programmes that I want to see

muppetman11 21-03-2012 13:30
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz2810i (Post 35403276)
That may be the case but not more than the £40 I will be saving by joining Sky and cutting the Movie channels

TBH I am still questioning my decision as I will be going from fast BB to very slow BB + I have an aweful feeling I will miss TV immensly :(

---------- Post added at 12:18 ---------- Previous post was at 12:16 ----------



That is kinda where I am at. How did you get that deal, thats a great price.
You can use any ISP now to access Anytime+ so taking Sky BB is not necessary.

daggman 21-03-2012 15:03
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz2810i (Post 35403276)

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That is kinda where I am at. How did you get that deal, thats a great price.

i had sky before for tv only and keep getting offers to come back , by far the best offer they have sent, coincidence ? them knowing i left for virgin and that bills were going up.

we kept Virgin XL broadband and have Anytime+ thru that.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/17.jpg

gaz2810i 21-03-2012 15:06
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35403287)
You can use any ISP now to access Anytime+ so taking Sky BB is not necessary.
My ADSL is poor no matter who am with. Sky for ADSL is cheap enough so that doesn't bother me. If I was going to use another provider it would have to be cable by Virgin or Infinity by BT but that would negate the goal of saving money.

ntl.wotcha 26-03-2012 13:50
Re: TV price rises
 
"23 HD channels at no extra cost" they say, yet when you look at the TV XL vs TV L channel list you will see that the main difference is premium HD channels. FTA HD is of course included in L as you would expect.

smoke and mirrors eh ?

carlwaring 26-03-2012 15:11
Re: TV price rises
 
Of course, the "23 HD channels..." probably only refers to their top, XL, pack which does indeed list 23 HD channels in its line-up. So no, not "smoke and mirrors" at all. Just a statement of fact, as far as I can tell.

gaz2810i 27-03-2012 17:55
Re: TV price rises
 
May have made the wrong decision but I decided to stay with Virgin in the end. Sky Atlantic, extra HD and cheaper subs just wasn't enough to take me away from super fast BB, TiVO, ESPN and great VOD.

kgollop 30-03-2012 23:59
Re: TV price rises
 
Can anyone confirm VIP50 price increases (with 2 TIVOS). VM wrote to me to say that my bill was going up just over £4 per month, but I have the latest bill and it has gone up over £7 per month! It looks like they have added an extra TIVO fee onto the bill. I only ordered my 2nd TIVO last year for the imminent multi room streaming and to because we were told signing up before a certain date (November if I recall correctly) that we wouldn't be liable for the TIVO fee on the 2nd box. Is this a billing error or have I been shafted? Apologies if this has already been discussed.

sniper007 01-04-2012 13:46
Re: TV price rises
 
I rang and spoke to a retentions guy yesterday. He used the following things against me:

1: Lied about how much up/down I use "on average" claiming hundreds of GB per month.
2: Claimed virgin are VERY competitive and basically harped on about how their broadband is amazing and nowhere else would get close.

I expained over and over that I don't care for the 50mb broadband (I do really) and that I mainly just wanted to go to sky to reduce costs and get slightly better TV. He just went round and round in a circle hapring on about how their broadband was amazing. I told him that ok that's all nice, but can I still cancel given you have risen prics on all three things and would I suffer cancelation fees as a result. Took me about 15 minutes for him to basically admit that yes "you can go down that road if you feel you must do". I said all I really want is for you to reduce the increase of £4.10 down to just £1 and I will stay with you. Couldn't give me any discount if I stayed on 50mb tier. If I came down to 30mb broadband he would discount it by about £8.
Not worth it to me.
I said I would consider my options for a day and then ring back if I decide to cancel.
He was pretty stubborn, polite, but stubborn. I basically told him I disagree with his findings of my broadband usage and he was quite intrusive as to what I use it for. lol. I was like...err stuff, now get lost.
Sky could be in my future....
Gonna give it some thought over next day.

carlwaring 01-04-2012 17:44
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35407932)
I rang and spoke to a retentions guy yesterday. He used the following things against me:

1: Lied about how much up/down I use "on average" claiming hundreds of GB per month.
2: Claimed virgin are VERY competitive and basically harped on about how their broadband is amazing and nowhere else would get close.

I expained over and over that I don't care for the 50mb broadband (I do really)
So you're complaining that VM lied to you (even though they will have the figures to hand, I assume), but you have no problem lying to them? That's called hypocrisy, and - for me - completely negates the rest of your post.

andy_m 01-04-2012 17:56
Re: TV price rises
 
I've had to read your post several times, and I'm still not sure I've got it right? You wanted a £3 discount, but refused an £8 discount when the only difference would be to drop your broadband from 50 to 30 mb, before watching it double to 60? Alrighty then...

carlwaring 01-04-2012 17:58
Re: TV price rises
 
That's how I read it too. Maybe we're both wrong? :D

Mad Max 01-04-2012 21:06
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35408046)
I've had to read your post several times, and I'm still not sure I've got it right? You wanted a £3 discount, but refused an £8 discount when the only difference would be to drop your broadband from 50 to 30 mb, before watching it double to 60? Alrighty then...
Quality reply mate.....:shocked:

Itshim 02-04-2012 09:32
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35408046)
I've had to read your post several times, and I'm still not sure I've got it right? You wanted a £3 discount, but refused an £8 discount when the only difference would be to drop your broadband from 50 to 30 mb, before watching it double to 60? Alrighty then...

Not going daft then. When I read the post I went back to the start again,thought I had misread it :monkey:

BenMcr 02-04-2012 10:53
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35408046)
I've had to read your post several times, and I'm still not sure I've got it right? You wanted a £3 discount, but refused an £8 discount when the only difference would be to drop your broadband from 50 to 30 mb, before watching it double to 60? Alrighty then...
Just to point out that any broadband changes are now on to the new tier/speeds immediately. So if you get put on 30Mbit, it won't change again as it'll be L 30 not XL 30.

mikcoles 02-04-2012 16:30
Re: TV price rises
 
I rang retentions today to see if i could cut my monthly costs as I had Talk unlimited on landline and sky movies and sports with xl tv, tivo and v+ and 20mb broadband soon to be 60 mb.
Didn't use the landline hardly at all and wasn't watching movies so cut phone to basic and done away with movies saved me £18 a month.:)

sniper007 03-04-2012 10:50
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35408039)
So you're complaining that VM lied to you (even though they will have the figures to hand, I assume), but you have no problem lying to them? That's called hypocrisy, and - for me - completely negates the rest of your post.
Playing the retentions guys. A lot of people that ring them do it. Call it what you want. A lot of people on here are the first to cry about all the different prices people pay and that ringing retentions and haggling is bad, yet won't pick up the phone and call themselves. You are quite welcome to.
As for the rep I spoke to, yeah it pretty much was a lie. Quoting figures that were nothing like what we use (of which I do measure from time to time).


Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35408046)
I've had to read your post several times, and I'm still not sure I've got it right? You wanted a £3 discount, but refused an £8 discount when the only difference would be to drop your broadband from 50 to 30 mb, before watching it double to 60? Alrighty then...
Only difference? 50 to 30? My area does not get doubled up in speeds for ages last time I checked. In fact I don't think it was until summer 2013. I will check. Everybody keeps talking like everyone is already doubled up or about to be - not the case for a lot of customers. Also, I didn't want to lose the lack of STM on 50 by dropping to 30. But I need to review that too now that they have changed this.

Why the hostile attitude towards my posts? I don't expect something for nothing. I am weighing up my options is all. The fact is Virgin is not looking particularly attractive to a lot of people at the moment. It's not just the price rises. STM changes, lack of HD content, lack of F1 channel without taking out sports, extra charge for skysports HD channels.

Before anyone tells me I can always go to sky....yeah I know. I am in talks with them. I'm just looking for the best for my money in these hard times so give me a break please.

Itshim 03-04-2012 11:02
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35408903)

Only difference? 50 to 30? My area does not get doubled up in speeds for ages last time I checked. In fact I don't think it was until summer 2013. I will check. Everybody keeps talking like everyone is already doubled up or about to be - not the case for a lot of customers. Also, I didn't want to lose the lack of STM on 50 by dropping to 30. But I need to review that too now that they have changed this.

Why the hostile attitude towards my posts? I don't expect something for nothing. I am weighing up my options is all. The fact is Virgin is not looking particularly attractive to a lot of people at the moment. It's not just the price rises. STM changes, lack of HD content, lack of F1 channel without taking out sports, extra charge for skysports HD channels.

Before anyone tells me I can always go to sky....yeah I know. I am in talks with them. I'm just looking for the best for my money in these hard times so give me a break please.
If the broadband speed is a a major problem to you . Then please accept my apologies.In my case I would have taken the offer,as the speed is not a problem for me :sorry:

carlwaring 03-04-2012 11:04
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35408903)
Playing the retentions guys.
Quote:
A lot of people that ring them do it.
Something which is absolutely not necessary.
Quote:
Call it what you want.
I call it wanting something for nothing and doing anything to get it.

Quote:
A lot of people on here are the first to cry about all the different prices people pay and that ringing retentions and haggling is bad, yet won't pick up the phone and call themselves.
I have no problem with "haggling", etc. Outright lying, however, is not something I would ever do. In fact, the first thing I always say to 'retentions' is that I have no intention of leaving VM; and yet it doesn't change their attitude towards me. Some people are proud that they have gone in "all guns blazing" and "got one over on VM" and yet don't seem to realise that that attitude simply wasn't necessary.

sniper007 03-04-2012 11:17
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35408914)
Something which is absolutely not necessary.

I call it wanting something for nothing and doing anything to get it.


I have no problem with "haggling", etc. Outright lying, however, is not something I would ever do. In fact, the first thing I always say to 'retentions' is that I have no intention of leaving VM; and yet it doesn't change their attitude towards me. Some people are proud that they have gone in "all guns blazing" and "got one over on VM" and yet don't seem to realise that that attitude simply wasn't necessary.
I think you have misinterpreted how I speak to retentions. I am polite and do not hold a grudge against them per say.
Of course it's not necessary to ring retentions. I'm not sure what your point is but you come accross with the upmost disapproval of doing so. I also don't generally go in threatening to cancel unless I mean to do so just for the record. Anyway...

---------- Post added at 10:17 ---------- Previous post was at 10:15 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35408911)
If the broadband speed is a a major problem to you . Then please accept my apologies.In my case I would have taken the offer,as the speed is not a problem for me :sorry:
No probs. The only issue I have with 30 was the STM. But now they have introduced it on 50 so I am reading up in that thread now. Additionally I had issues with anything less than 50mb last summer which is the reason I went onto it due to over subscribed area.
I just checked actually and it states that I will be doubled up to 100mb between October 2012 and July 2013!

carlwaring 03-04-2012 11:54
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper007 (Post 35408919)
I think you have misinterpreted how I speak to retentions.
Sorry :)

Quote:
I am polite and do not hold a grudge against them...
Me too. My point was against those do.

Quote:
Of course it's not necessary to ring retentions.
It is! Always. CS cannot do "deals" like retentions can.

Quote:
I'm not sure what your point is...
I thought I'd made it quite clearly. :confused:

Quote:
...but you come across with the upmost disapproval of doing so.
I only disapprove of the way some people do so.

andy_m 04-04-2012 07:56
Re: TV price rises
 
You did rather come across as slightly unrealistic-as far as I'm concerned you can't expect to keep all of your current services AND reduce your monthly outlay, and so dropping your broadband tier and saving £8 to me seems excellent. Had you been clearer about why this isn't acceptable to you then my response might well have been different. But you weren't.

Itshim 04-04-2012 09:05
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35409438)
You did rather come across as slightly unrealistic-as far as I'm concerned you can't expect to keep all of your current services AND reduce your monthly outlay, and so dropping your broadband tier and saving £8 to me seems excellent. Had you been clearer about why this isn't acceptable to you then my response might well have been different. But you weren't.
Andy it the past you could,:shocked: look back at my posts ( If that can be done) You will find that I
a) reduced my monthly bill by around £10 ( the bottom line is £10.50 less than I paid per month prior to doing it,the break down does not interest me)
b) Had my V+ moved to another room ( I swapped back but that is another story)
c) Had a 500bit ( is that right) TiVo put in.

The call charges were changed - but as I hardly use the phone I did not care.( they remain around the same each month, small change) My BB remained the same.

kgollop 07-04-2012 18:02
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgollop (Post 35407501)
Can anyone confirm VIP50 price increases (with 2 TIVOS). VM wrote to me to say that my bill was going up just over £4 per month, but I have the latest bill and it has gone up over £7 per month! It looks like they have added an extra TIVO fee onto the bill. I only ordered my 2nd TIVO last year for the imminent multi room streaming and to because we were told signing up before a certain date (November if I recall correctly) that we wouldn't be liable for the TIVO fee on the 2nd box. Is this a billing error or have I been shafted? Apologies if this has already been discussed.
Anyone able to answer this query?

borrissey 09-04-2012 20:48
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgollop (Post 35411103)
Anyone able to answer this query?
Yeah same thing happemed to me I phoned them up and they took the charge off and credited me £10 for the charges I occured.

denphone 13-09-2012 15:51
Re: TV price rises
 
Just a note of caution to customers who are considering going to BT in that if customers were unhappy with Virgin putting their prices up this year then BT l am afraid putting their prices up at twice the rate of inflation.

Quote:
Around 10m BT customers are being told that phone and broadband bills are to rise by up to 6 per cent, in the latest blow to cash-strapped households.

BT is hiking its prices from January 5, with phone calls, line rental and broadband rising by up to 5.9 per cent - more than twice the rate of inflation, at 2.6 per cent.

The group, which recently agreed deals worth £890m to secure rights to screen Premier League football and Premiership rugby matches, revealed that people signing up to the group's cheapest television package Vision Essentials will see the monthly tariff increase from £4 to £5, a 25 per cent rise.
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...inflation-rate

Itshim 13-09-2012 16:01
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35473962)
Just a note of caution to customers who are considering going to BT in that if customers were unhappy with Virgin putting their prices up this year then BT l am afraid putting their prices up at twice the rate of inflation.
Waiting for "We are doubling your BB speeds for no extra cost " to appear.
Sorry could not resist :p:

Dave42 13-09-2012 16:02
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35473962)
Just a note of caution to customers who are considering going to BT in that if customers were unhappy with Virgin putting their prices up this year then BT l am afraid putting their prices up at twice the rate of inflation.



http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...inflation-rate
more prove that those that think prices will come down are totally wrong prices only ever go up

denphone 13-09-2012 16:08
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35473966)
Waiting for "We are doubling your BB speeds for no extra cost " to appear.
Sorry could not resist :p:
Nice to know that Victor does have the occasional sense of humour.;)

---------- Post added at 15:08 ---------- Previous post was at 15:06 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35473967)
more prove that those that think prices will come down are totally wrong prices only ever go up
Exactly as the grass is not always greener on the other side as some think it is.

Itshim 13-09-2012 16:18
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35473969)
Nice to know that Victor does have the occasional sense of humour.;)---------- Post added at 15:08 ---------- Previous post was at 15:06 ----------
Thanks Den I laff at a lot of things, my problem is ,I am usually the only one that find them funny :) Still love old Dave Allen sketches. W C Fields
Bob Newhart & also Victor Borg rate up there for me. Stuck in a time warp that's for sure :p:

denphone 14-11-2012 11:38
Re: TV price rises
 
More price rises on the way l am afraid.:(:td:

Quote:
Our prices are going up from 1st February 2013*. But there are ways in which we can help keep your costs down. Below you’ll see some simple ways you may be able to save. Or if you’d like to see how we’re still delivering loads of great stuff at no extra cost to our customers.
http://my.virginmedia.com/customer-n...?buspart=EM_56

Chad 14-11-2012 13:48
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35496500)
More price rises on the way l am afraid.:(:td:



http://my.virginmedia.com/customer-n...?buspart=EM_56
It's beginning to become a total joke.

I totally understand that price increases are the way of the world however for some people this will be the 3rd price increase in a 10 month period. People will argue that one of them was driven by SKY however in less than a year some people will have seen their package jump by £8 per month. That's £96.00 per year more than they originally contracted for!

Under J3 of Virgins terms and condition, does that mean we can cancel the phoneline if unhappy about the increase?

J3

If we and/or Virgin Media Payments:
a) increase our charges under this agreement
b) make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced; or
c) make significant changes to the terms and conditions of this agreement (including the other legal stuff),

you may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving us and/or Virgin Media Payments (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice.

It might be cheaper for people to cancel their landline service with Virgin and take a much cheaper mobile contract with them instead.

denphone 14-11-2012 13:52
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35496543)
It's beginning to become a total joke.

I totally understand that price increases are the way of the world however for some people this will be the 3rd price increase in a 10 month period. People will argue that one of them was driven by SKY however in less than a year some people will have seen their package jump by £8 per month. That's £96.00 per year more than they originally contracted for!

Under J3 of Virgins terms and condition, does that mean we can cancel the phoneline if unhappy about the increase?

J3

If we and/or Virgin Media Payments:
a) increase our charges under this agreement
b) make significant changes to the services so the services you are entitled to receive in return for the charges you pay are significantly altered or reduced; or
c) make significant changes to the terms and conditions of this agreement (including the other legal stuff),

you may cancel those services affected without penalty by giving us and/or Virgin Media Payments (as applicable) at least 30 days' notice.

It might be cheaper for people to cancel their landline service with Virgin and take a much cheaper mobile contract with them instead.
The trouble is for some people including myself a landline service is a necessity.

Arthurgray50@blu 14-11-2012 13:56
Re: TV price rises
 
I was with Sky a very long time, and in that time they increased there price ONCE a year, and last year they froze the price until this year when the price will go up, by £2.00/£3.00 and it is worth every penny.

For the life of me, l cannot understand how VM can justify the increase again, there are NO new channels, and none on the horizon, yes they might say we have increased the technology for TiVo.

I can see quite a lot of customers leaving due to this, there might be the die hard VM customers staying as ' they don't want to put money into Murdoch's pocket' but they no longer run Sky.

By Christmas, l intend to go back to Sky, despite the cost as there are no worries about channels, when they come out they go straight onto the EPG. With VM you wait months. I recently spoke with an engineer of VM and he told me that even though they are busy installing, they are also very busty disconnecting customers at a higher rate.

VM pull your finger out, but there again they don't listen to customers.

BenMcr 14-11-2012 13:57
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35496543)
Under J3 of Virgins terms and condition, does that mean we can cancel the phoneline if unhappy about the increase?
From the www.virginmedia.com/changes site:
Quote:
If you do not wish to be bound by these changes you can cancel your contract with us without penalty. The process to be followed is set out in our terms and conditions at virginmedia.com/legalstuff

greeninferno 14-11-2012 14:03
Re: TV price rises
 
I can see Virgin heading into trouble now.

With BT rolling out faster broadband a situation is slowly developing where its going to be a straight up choice between BT and Sky.

ESPN will shortly be pretty much worthless and the price of Virgin's services are going up?

Chad 14-11-2012 14:08
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35496549)
Thanks for the info Ben

SnoopZ 14-11-2012 14:08
Re: TV price rises
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35496552)
I can see Virgin heading into trouble now.

With BT rolling out faster broadband a situation is slowly developing where its going to be a straight up choice between BT and Sky.

ESPN will shortly be pretty much worthless and the price of Virgin's services are going up?
Not everyone has access to fast BT broadband though.

Arthurgray50@blu 14-11-2012 14:22
Re: TV price rises
 
I don't like to say this but Sky will win hands down, and its not a question of paying high prices with Sky, With them you do not need to worry about channels.

They are introducing channels and new technology all the time, whereas VM are in a time warp and its customers are suffering because of it. Some customers may say that they are getting what they are paying for. But look at it this way, VM are putting up the price again, are they getting anything new, and you cannot class +1 channels as new, the answer is no. This is not me having a rant, but this pure logic.

All bills are going up, but people are not earning lots of money and it will come to a crunch when bills will come to high and change to Freeview channels - its that simple.

VM will price themself out of customers.

---------- Post added at 13:22 ---------- Previous post was at 13:19 ----------

Denphone, if you left VM, you can still keep the phoneline, thats the only thing decent on VM.

When l was with Sky, we used the VM phoneline so that they could check on you, which l believe VM are now doing to its customers.

MutleyF 14-11-2012 14:25
Re: TV price rises
 
So, which of you have actually received the letter ?


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