Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

You think the money that BBC Scotland receives just now is well spent and an indication it should receive more?

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Well my point was that BBC Scotland produces a lot of good TV and radio programs .

There is no rip off going on. You pay the licence to watch live TV not just the BBC.

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No I don't,it should receive much more than what it gets imo.
Try watching Sportscene on a Sunday night,our weekly program is nothing short of a joke,6 SPFL games,each given a sum of 5 mins and 15 secs,dreadful,my wife watches River City which tae be fair has good acting,Shetland looks promising,Rab C Nesbitt will always be funny,that's about it.

I'll be pan breid by the time the TV license is finally done away with,it should have happened years ago,adverts will be the way forward and hopefully those thieves robbing the punters will be a thing of the past,the top brass are raking in a fortune and nothing is being done about it.

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Well having money doesn't relate to a program being poor to be honest.

BBC Scotland has plenty of money. BBC Alba is a Scottish channel paid for by that money too.

There is no one being ripped off though as you still get all the channels the rest of the UK gets.

So if we become independent how will the Scottish Broadcasting service fund itself?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Two things from your link... but not in anyone else's.....

So basically it was made up at the time.......

Just saying stuff doesn't make it true (btw, you may wish to inform Wee Eck of that...).

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Stephen,yer a hard nut tae crack,fair tae you for trying.
All I'm asking is that we get a decent return for our money,surely that's not too hard tae ask for.

Oh by the way......http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk...-debate-polls/

I'm sure someone will come on and reply "Oh but that's a Scottish poll."
It's a business poll,and at the end of the day it's Scottish companies who can sway the Doubting Thomas's.

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Hugh,and for anyone else for that matter, look up Wiki,type in "Results between Scotland and England in Home Internationals."
You'd be amazed at just how well we've done since the first ever game in the 19th century.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Hmmm, a straw poll from an unashamedly pro-yes campaign site. Well that's got me convinced enough to slap on the blue face paint and and jump into the great unknown of an independent Scotland. :rolleyes:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Again you post links to a site that is just giving OPINIONS Jimi. That it's run by yes campaigners is surely a coincidence as well is it?. One bit in the "debate" says "He warned Scots with the usual scare-stories, regurgitating as “fact” all the previously debunked nonsense, including the banking bailout, EU membership, joining the Euro and the currency union with rUK". All OPINIONS again. Dismissing stuff as "Debunked nonsense" is just the yes campaigners refusing to believe what they've been told over and over again. Replace the yes logo with this picture. It's far more suitable.

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Strange how you've ignored my previous fact (not opinion, not made up wish fulfilment, but fact) that you picked out the only game Scotland won against England in a decade...

And if we look at Scotland vs England Stats, it shows that in all matches Scotland have won 41, lost 46, drawn 24, and in competition matches, they have won 2, lost 4, drawn 1.

Well done, indeed......

(Oh, I forgot - in your world, that means you've really won more..... :D )

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Wasn't one of those competitive wins part of a two legged play of which they won 1-0 after losing the first leg 2-0 so that win was pretty meaningless to.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Stop being a bully.......

Since World War II, England have dominated, winning 27 of the 48 games, with Scotland winning 12.

I am Scottish, born and bred, but facts are facts - making stuff up, cherry-picking isolated things out of context, and playing the victim card just weakens any valid arguments the Yes campaign may have...

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those loyalists in northern Ireland may face a bit of a dilemma?

who will they be loyal to?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

To be honest I'm getting sick and tired of this issue I'm tired of the lunacy coming from the SNP and their supporters which seems to have a very nasty "anti English" streak to it to hide the fact they haven't thought out much less properly planned what to do if they won the vote. Way I see it at the minute is Salmond knows he has screwed up and is getting his excuses prepared. I love Scotland and most of it's people (sorry have experienced hatred on a trip before) and I find this whole debate to have done nothing but humiliate and degrade a great country and it's people who deserve a lot more.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I give up,its like The Alamo and Zulu war rolled intae one against you guys,hold on a minute till I reload my catapult.

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Och,its only a friendly game,just wait until I get my 10,000 supporters tae come on this website then ye'll know all about it,eh !!!:D:D:D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

http://youtu.be/h6GsEKrCvgw

Sit back and imagine,just for a while,that you are open minded,then watch Tommy Sheridan.
Before shouting 'Oh,he's nothing but a rabble rouser',just watch it,then you'll all understand why Scotland want's its Independence.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Scotland doesn't want its independence. Just a small minority of its inhabitants.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Exactly! If the people of Scotland wanted independence so much, the yes campaign would have been running away with this on the opinion polls from day 1. Thankfully the majority of Scots don't buy the propaganda of the SNP.

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It's a very good point, and one that I don't think has been really addressed.

I know we live in a democracy, but even a general election is not a 50/ 50 majority vote.

I think on a an issue of this importance the majority required should have been around 65% minimum.

For something of this magnitude should not be decided by one or two percentage points, there should be an overwhelming majority either way.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I attended a political meeting of Plaid Cymru recently

Leanne Wood stated that they were "watching developments in Scotland with interest"

she is on my LinkedIn account and I messaged her about the burning issue about putting the language thing above all other issues - but she chose to either ignore or overlook my question

what we will have here in Wales, by comparison, is yet more top heavy pyramids of bloated 'do nothing' middlemen yes men politicians on big bucks - face in the pig trough - al la Orwellian Animal Farm as usual and as always - the same sort of middle men that they sent off to a different planet in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Economist criticises currency union rejection:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-26702405

The Scottish government welcomed Professor Young's report, saying it "totally demolishes" the Whitehall analysis, which it says plays on fear and has failed to capture the benefits of formal monetary union.

The alliance of Conservative and Labour on this issue "has been losing the political argument - now they're losing the fiscal argument too," said a spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond.

A Treasury spokesman commented: "A currency union is not going to happen. The UK government has set out detailed analysis supported by numerous independent voices as to why a currency union is not in the interests of an independent Scotland or the remaining UK.

"This decision is not going to change. This means less than six months from the referendum, the Scottish government still has no plan for what currency they would use".

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Salmond seems to think he can dictate what the union he wishes to leave ought to do after the event. What does that say about him? Sounds a lot like 'bullying' to me... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Unfortunately nothing will change in Wales until the valleys stop voting for any idiot wearing red, otherwise we're stuck with Carwyn Jones for the foreseeable future.

I am naturally a Plaid supporter, but I don't agree with their shift out towards the left under Leanne Wood and their attitude towards wind farms (for) and nuclear power (against).

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Plaid are watching with interest due to the belief that Scotland leaving the UK could see more funding for Wales.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Getting closer every day,regardless of what anyone thinks,Scotland WILL vote YES.
A wee thanks must go tae Johann Lamont,the Scottish Labour leader for her attack on Alex Salmond's wife,its worked wonders for the YES campaign.
Here's a wee snippet from the Tory orientated Scotsman.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-cu...rget-1-3350579

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So still no facts and only opinions then Jimi?. For every article like that there's probably 50 saying the opposite. A massive thank you must also go to Salmond and Sturgeon as well. Every time they open their gobs, the more and more voters find out about their lack of credibility. And if you're going to stake your reputation (what's left of it anyway) on unreliable opinion polls, then you'll look more stupid than you already are. Why did you not highlight this part of that article? The one piece of good news for the No side is that the vast and indeed increasing majority of No voters (81 per cent) are resolved to vote No even if by September they were to be convinced more devolution was not going to happen. See that's all opinions as well, but because it doesn't do you any good, you omit it. You have to remember the vote is yes or no, not all the other add ons that people have been asked about, and what you're trying to convince yourself with. Chin chin, I'm off to bully my kids.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

You really are as delusional as that big fool Salmond aren't you. No is still miles ahead in all polls.

Also that article doesn't in anyway suggest anything of the sort regarding the Yes campaign.

Face it Bawheed just can't come up with a credible response when someone shoots down anything he or the Yes campaign hit out with.

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Nearer were getting to the vote the less people want independence and yet still some people are still deluding themselves the only place saying there is an increase in the yes vote are the traditional nationalists who cannot accept they have got it so wrong. It couldn't have been made clearer that there will be no currency union between an independent Scotland and RUK and still salmond talks as though it's his and only his decision and he will deliver currency union. This whole independence campaign has descended far past comedy and is fast approaching clinical lunacy and national embarrassment and the sooner it ends the better for Scotland. As I said I think salmond knows he's backed a loser with this and is prepping his excuses early mainly that "nasty england" has once again bullied and oppressed the Scottish people to get it's way. This will allow him to keep independence on the burner because he now knows there is a group of people that will go along with him. This bout of national embarrassment will be over only to start off again within 15-20 years it's pathetic.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I have a theory that 'English Jimi' (the guy who needs to cement his 'Scottish' credentials by typing 'tae' at every opportunity) is in fact an English nationalist who's doing his very best to ensure England gains independence by hook or by crook. Trouble is his 'best' really isn't very good... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The polls are showing that Yes is gaining....

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Oh dear! We've got a lunatic at loose in E. Europe and we'll have another running Scotland... :disturbd:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I just wish they would get this over and done with and then they can get on with more important issues

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The 'yes bounce' has been factored in. We went over this a few weeks ago. ;)

The No campaign is getting all the bad news out now, i.e. no pound, no EU, businesses fleeing south, declining oil revenue. Once these simply become established fact, rather than contentious points of debate (as they are beginning to), they will cease to define how people feel about the referendum. Look, for example, at the currency issue. Nobody in Scotland, outside the SNP leadership and the usual cesspool of hardline cybernats, still thinks a currency union is a goer. The polls show that very strongly indeed. That fact will weigh heavily on those who vote in September.

The final phase of the campaign will be to build the positive message of the Union and come polling day, that message, plus the fact that when Scots come to put a cross on a ballot paper they tend to think with their wallets and their stomachs rather than their Mel Gibson reflex, will see No safely home.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

A TNS poll this morning has Yes on 28, No on 41 and Don't Know on 30. It's quite different to other recent polls but is consistent with the previous TNS poll.

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I married a Scot & showed her this thread, and she in her scottish way informed me that Jimi was a jobbie... whatever that means.
She seemed to find it rather amusing though. Perhaps it's a Scottish term like 'tae'

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

:LOL:

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And here was me thinking all the muppets were in the Yes camp. :D

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...h-independence

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Kermit the frog is bullying Scotland!

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Quelle surprise, Kermit's employers are on a PR campaign...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

The slimy green Britnat. What's the betting a certain constituency has already vowed to boycot his new film.

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Hopefully the people of Scotland will realise who the biggest 'muppet' of all is and vote accordingly. If they don't, well, bye... :waving:

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In that case Jimi gets my vote

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Tut tut Chris,that poll is exactly 4 weeks old.

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Give her my love.xxx

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

So i was right you are full of poo

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Exactly?

Are you sure?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...-yes-1-3352264

Apparently, there is more than one Independence movement in Scotland...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...A2N1FV20140324

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

My God, the Islanders are bullying Salmond now... :D

How ironic that the SNP's grab for oil could have set off a chain of events in which it's ultimately snatched from them. That is of course if they really believe in self determination...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

How do you think we power our wind farms, eh?:D

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Hugh,I don't believe those dates.

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That just makes you a good little nationalist. When you don't like the facts, you don't believe the facts. ;)

Are TNS engaged in some unionist conspiracy then, just inventing the dates they give on their polls?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

They must be lying on their website, then.....

http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-re...opinion-steady

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

They ARE lying. They're all part of the conspiracy....

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If truth be told,the only one that will count is on September the 18th,we can argue right,left and centre until we're blue in the face and still won't get us anywhere.
Hugh posted about the Shetlands/Orkney Isles wanting a vote a week later,well it won't make one iota of difference.

http://www.shetnews.co.uk/features/s...althing-debate

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Does that mean you won't be posting any more polls showing the 'yes' vote in a favourable position?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Does that mean your OK with them devolving powers away from Scotland to give them more say in how their oil money is spent or not?

It wasn't about independence for Scotland but more powers for them.

J

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Wind?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Hot air emanating from the SNP won't be enough to keep the lights on... :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Did I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Beer?:)

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Tick tock,tick tock,tick tolk.
Don't say I didn't warn you,but all you did was laugh and jest,I suppose if I was in the BT camp then I'd do likewise,Darling and Lamont are doing a great job for us right now,I'll drink tae their good health on September 19th once the results are declared.:angel:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psq2aykhxm.jpg

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Ooh look, the Daily Mail.

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You want more like?
Okay,there you go.Facts !!!



Wealth distribution in Britian is so skewed that Britain's five wealthiest families are worth more than the poorest 20%, or 12.8m people. In many cases these families inherited wealth from landowners and politicians going back centuries:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10702213...ciety.html

In some cases - such as in David Cameron's case - that inherited wealth is directly linked to slave ownership and slave trade, as well as compensation given to slave owners after slavery was abolished:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...08358.html

Meanwhile, despite this enormous wealth disparity, the policies of austerity currently being imposed in Westminster are overwhelmingly targeting the poor:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-simon...02793.html

This may be related to the fact that our Westminster government is run by personal millionaires(1), who are accountable to massive city finance donors (2) and extremely wealthy individuals (3):

1) - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics...llion.html

2) - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011...-donations

3) - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sun...ne-1846462

That same cabinet of millionaires overwhelmingly represent constituencies within commuting distance of London:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/brit...of-england

Perhaps coincidentally, 80% of new private sector jobs created in the UK since 2009 have been based in London:

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/busin...87093.html

Corporate tax avoidance - companies like Starbucks, Boots, Amazon etc. legally avoiding tax they would conventionally owe - accounts for £35bn in lost revenue annually:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013...nonpayment

Benefit fraud, on the other hand, costs us 1.6bn:

http://www.cas.org.uk/features/myth-bust...efit-fraud

Meanwhile, we actually save £2.8bn a year on benefits that go unclaimed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17139088

Despite this, there were twelve mentions of welfare, and six mentions of benefit in David Cameron's 2013 Conservative Party Conference speech. No mention whatsoever of corporate tax avoidance, or tax evasion:

http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers/201...-full-text

There's been a fall in real wages by an average of 8.5% since 2009, which is the worst decline in living standards since 1870:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/regional-t...-2009.html

Meanwhile, income inequality growing faster in the UK than in any other wealthy country:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/...-faster-uk

Despite this, top level tax for earners over £150k was reduced by 5% in 2012 under the current government: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budge...o-45p.html

Whilst the gap gets bigger at a faster rate than any other rich country, 25% of Scottish children are living in poverty:

http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/where-...m/scotland

To date, no politician campaigning for the union appears to have even suggested that Scotland would be a fairer or more equal society if it remained part of the union; positive reasons generally appear to be thin on the ground:

http://www.bettertogether.net/pages/the-ve-case

Standard and Poor's credit assessment on an independent Scotland indicates that the economy would be rich and diversified, with wealth comparable to AAA-listed nations:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/209646043/Stan...t-Scotland

And the OECD ranks an independent Scotland as the 14th wealthiest nation in the world based on GDP per head of population:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0044/00446013.pdf

Scotland can afford to be independent, and David Cameron agreed:

"It would be wrong to suggest that Scotland could not be another... successful, independent country." - David Cameron (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/perso...nion.html)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Has someone trodden on a bagpipe? :D

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Come the 19th September you'll never be seen on here again Jimi. You'll be off to join the Scottish Republican Army. Most of those links are like the SNP's policies, there's nothing there...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Do they take Englishmen? :D

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I forgot about that :) Most Scottish nationalists think they're Irish anyway so he'll have a split personality...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

This is so brain dead it's beyond parody.

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:D

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Sums it up nicely.

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That day cannot come fast enough :)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Well,that's one wee problem resolved.:)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...may-keep-pound

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

That isn't going to happen at all.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Now now Mr Pharmacist,that's not nice,having said that you may well be correct,it all depends on how long it takes for my whisky tae leave my napper,ye ken.:D

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Yes it will,take it from me Stephen.
Another point for you,my wife has a relative in Hamilton who is a top Labour councillor.
He told me that the SNP are miles ahead but BT are keeping it quiet for fear of a backlash,apparently the latest survey done by the Labour Party themselves I may add, are SNP YES on 56%,BT are on 35% and 9% are still undecided.
Before you,or anyone else for that matter,say its a load of rubbish,(which wouldn't surprise me in the least) then you'll find out sooner or later.
Another wee point,and be truthful about it,how many BT campaigners have you seen in any local towns/cities?
I'll let you know how many the YES campaign had last Saturday throughout Scotland,47.
People are donating huge sums tae YES whilst BT are scrounging for any cash help,THAT is the difference.

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Ahh, Jimi Jimi Jimi, always quoting the bits you like and ignoring the bits you don't.

Here you go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-26791763

It's also quite spectacularly strange how many private, unpublished polls keep giving Yes a two-thirds vote whereas all the published and verifiable ones keep showing the reverse.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Jimi, I know a man whose cousin knows a wee wummin whose son's teacher's aunty's adopted daughter has a dog that wee'd on your garden wall, and she says that you are Alex Salmond's sister, so it must be true.....

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Never before on CF have I ever seen someone so clearly standing in a famous Egyptian river...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Ahh so polls and surveys don't count unless its to benefit you and the Aye party?

:dunce:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

What's the story?

I have to confess to being somewhat bemused that someone as a Chancellor who allegedly "Failed on the economy, failed on the banks, failed on regulation, failed on immigration, failed on Iraq/Afghanistan, failed on energy, failed on the EU, failed on PFI, failed on education" etc, etc is suddenly considered a credible and appropriate authority on all things "Better together".

How is that?

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Who is the minister? It's just a quote from someone. :confused:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

My guess is a junior, possibly in defence given the reference to Trident.

They are all hopelessly vain, they like to sound like they have the inside track and are worth being kept sweet by hacks. He or she has a view which they are entitled to and the quote fits the 'no campaign in disarray' narrative so eloquently elucidated by the Daily Wail this morning (a story carried in several of the papers, incidentally, without similar hysteria).

Note the Graun carefully describing them as someone who would be involved in negotiations in the event of a Yes, and not someone who has anything to do with things at present. To be frank, that means just about nothing, seeing as the process of separation would of necessity involve every department in Whitehall that currently exercises powers not devolved to Holyrood (which, by the way, is still most of them).

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There's speculation as to who it is. However, clearly if it is indeed a "minister" it's not just "someone".

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And here we are worrying about speculation.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Wrong yet again Jimi


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-26791763

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I think it's called clutching at straws... :D

Anonymous sources quoted in a newspaper obviously outweigh official, on the record, comments made by identifiable politicians and officials... :rofl:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I can imagine that a currency union would be a pretty big carrot to dangle in return for Trident staying at Faslane and some other concessions.

If it does happen it will mean Scotland won't be independent as most people would understand it and Salmond / the SNP will have to reverse one of the central commitments of their campaign.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Wee'd on my garden wall,eh?
Have you forgotten already that we are in the Europeeein Union.:D

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We don't need any carrots dangled in front of us,we are going tae win,we know it,you known it and so does Cameron and his cohorts.
The Yes campaign WANT tae win the day,the BT mob are resting on their backsides thinking its a formality,yeah right.

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These claims and counter claims become more tedious as this on going debacle unfolds.

Here we have Osborne and Alexander issuing another joint statement which includes this quote; "The UK would not put its taxpayers at risk of bailing out a foreign country and its banks. Parliament wouldn't pass it, and the people wouldn't accept it. Any suggestion to the contrary is wrong."

It would appear that George and Danny are casting aside the 2012(?) memorandum and further that George is suffering some sort of dementia or short term memory lapse as far as bailing out foreign countries is concerned.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

There is a difference between choosing to help out another country and signing a blank cheque for decades to come.

Isn't that supposed lack of control exactly what Salmond is meant to be complaining about in support of the "Yes" campaign? Currency union and a "Yes" vote are not compatible. You can't vote "yes" because you want more control and then also want an option which doesn't allow any control.:rolleyes:

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

You can if what you want doesn't really independence but your pride and/or political motives won't let you admit it. The SNP are selling their electorate a pup, they certainly won't be independent if their currency is Sterling.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Seems to work ok for Jersey which has both independent governance and a currency union. It's not a matter of it not being "doable" but more the fact that there is no will to do it.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

As far as currency goes. I believe Northern Ireland has the Pound, and Southern Ireland the Euro, there doesn't seem to be any demands they go to one or the other.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Jersey does not have a currency union with anyone. They produce their own currency. Jersey is small compared to the UK and as long as they don't go crazy, the informal and unwritten currency arrangements will work.

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According to the Wikipedia link above it does: "The pound is the currency of Jersey. Jersey is in currency union with the United Kingdom, and the Jersey pound is not a separate currency but is an issue of banknotes and coins by the States of Jersey denominated in pound sterling, in a similar way to the banknotes issued in Scotland and Northern Ireland".

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

A currency called the pound is used, just as many countries use a currency called "dollar". It just so happens the pounds are also interchangeable, but there is no formal arrangement for that. The Jersey AND current Scottish currency is NOT "legal tender". It does not have to be accepted.
Currency printed in Scotland and Northern Ireland is simply a replacement for English pounds "bought" from the Bank of England. It is not additional currency. They are "buying" the right to print currency that would be printed anyway by the Bank of England.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Whatever way you slice it contrary to your assertion Jersey is in a formal currency union with the UK.

Legal tender is largely an irrelevance in the modern age with so many (non cash) means of payment.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

How many more declarations need to be made before it is fully understood that voting yes means no pound this is getting farcical and is just dragging the whole debate totally off other issues which might be what the SNP want. It isn't just about getting independence it's about being credible if you get it which I doubt many believe the SNP are which is hardly going to get others to give salmond the sweetheart deals he has promised the Scottish people. This whole thing is making Scotland look a bit of a joke not what the Scottish people need.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I suspect the SNP has greater aspirations for the economy of an independent Scotland than would be done justice by comparisons with any of the Crown dependencies.

And those same differences in size and scope are the ones being held up by the Treasury and all the men who aspire to run it, as reasons not to enter a currency union with an independent Scotland.

I wonder which minister had dinner with a Grauniad hack in his diary for last night. Whoever it was had better accidentally spill a bottle of ink over the page before he's unmasked - I suspect a meeting without biscuits is in the offing.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Undoubtedly.

There are a few names being heard on the wire. ;)

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Jersey? is that the best you can do?

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Don't see what the point is there?

There is no Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland.

There is the Republic of Ireland and the UK.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

It was sufficient to prove the point at hand.

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The point being there is NO FORMAL currency union with Jersey, just an informal one. Jersey isn't likely to go on a massive spending spree financed by borrowing, as Greece and Spain did. Even then, a population of less than 100,000 is not going to affect the UK by very much.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

I'm afraid that was not the issue at hand.

The issue at hand was that a poster suggested that one could not have independence and retain sterling. I merely pointed out that was not the case and that Jersey was a working example as it has a currency union with the United Kingdom. The nature of that currency union is irrelevant, the fact is it exists.

Nobody has suggested that Jersey is going to go on a massive spending spree or if it did that it would adversely affect the fortunes of the UK, that is a hypothetical construct which you insist on bringing into the argument.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Let's assume for the sake of argument that any arrangement is the same as with Jersey, then the comparative sizes and behaviour of Jersey and Scotland DO matter. If Jersey acted financially in the manner that Salmond wishes to, then it would be of little consequence to the rest of the UK. Scaling that up to the size of Scotland and it would have an adverse impact.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
 

Nobody is disputing that.

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That's not the point though is it.

We all know a currency union is possible, and that, to lesser degrees than the one proposed, they exist.

If Jerseys central bank failed, would we be responsible for hailing it out?

Bottom line is we don't want a currency union with Scotland. Doesn't matter if it may or may not work. We don't, and won't have it.