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Just seen it, maybe its coming before Sunday

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Ultra HD from Sky in ‘two to three years a possibility’ says satellite boss

http://recombu.com/digital/news/ultr...ss_M10515.html

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Thats good news. Sky can make it a success

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Wow, thats impressive. These satellite bandwidth problems I've been hearing about seem like pure scare mongering - 4K broadcast would need a huge amount of bandwidth.

The only problem is a 4K projector is currently around £16,000! :shocked:

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Just another money making exercise methinks to get even more money from us hard pressed customers but l am sure the master can afford all these new whizzs for himself and his minions.:)

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Or maybe their trying to be at the forefront of pay TV innovation , something they've done with both HD and 3D , not playing catch up like other firms.

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But that would not make for an interesting conspiracy theory :D

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LOL :D

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The question is how much of a step improvement it will be and the answer to that is minimal but Sky will advertise it as some great new coming one suspects.

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If we adopted that train of thought we'd still have analogue colour broadcasts :D

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Come on MM you know exactly what l mean but alas you are in that rose tinted frame of mind again one suspects.;):D

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Why add colour? The improvements over black and white would be minimal ;)

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The improvements that 4K will bring are huge Den!

The jump from our current 720p broadcasts will be massive (much more than SD to HD)

Take a look at the diagram in this link for a visual representation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di...VCD_to_4K).svg

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Who's playing catch up? Didn't Telewest launch the first residential HD service and didn't Virgin launch the first residential 3D service in UK pay TV homes?

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Yes they did , they had trials of ITV HD and BBC HD with some HD On Demand , they're well and truly playing catchup with HD and 3D now though aren't they. ;)

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Broadcast HD in the UK is 1080i, not 720p.

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Well first of all Virgin have most of the HD channels that are important as such and secondly 3D is a overhyped fad that will never be taken in by the majority of people who simply have no interest in it.:)

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Trial or not it still puts to sleep your statement about Sky being at the forefront of pay TV innovation. If I was paying a HD tax I would expect VM to offer me more but as it stands now there's more HD channels and HD and 3D VOD content than I could watch and still consider it value for money, so I don't think they need to catch up to anything. ;)

PS. the gimmick that is 3D gives me a headache so I have less interest in it and hope VM eventually do too.

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I'm made up for you glad your happy with your products its half the battle and your absolutely right it depends what part of a package is important to you as a customer.:tu:

We'll have to agree to disagree re Sky's innovation , in my opinion they've been at the forefront of the HD boom and have innovated in many ways such as Football first (Match Choice) , First UK 3D channel however I agree with your point re they weren't the first platform to broadcast HD , horses for courses whatever suits you the user.

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Neither were first to broadcast tv...so one might argue first innovator was BBC.

So in argument of who is best, and first counts, does that mean I win?

:D

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Yes and the master siad he will donate the prize as well which is very kind of him.:D

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35433044

In the above thread they are discussing Sport Extra which is on Sky Go. Where is this channel as I can't see it on my Go? Or does it only appear when something is showing?

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Oops posted wrong thread,..but read this on other thread

Sky sports extra "is available for sky custmers (online via sky go). But not for Virgin Media customers. Because we don't have access to sky go.

It is not on the red button"

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I believe it's only available currently on Sky Go via PC/Laptop.

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on channel 499..has what is on now and something cricket(y)..not interested

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Oh, and I think muppetman is right (i keep think of mighty mouse when I use mm :D)

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Channel 4 to launch three dedicated channels for their Paralympics coverage and will be available on Sky in standard and high definition versions (launched in the Sports section).

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...-coverage.html

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The question we have to ask again is will these three dedicated channels be on Virgin as it seems yet again they are slow off the mark.:(

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Den, complain after a week, not an hour.......

Well all else fails - be reasonable.

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All l am saying is why can't Virgin be first out of the blocks for once instead of being the tail wagging the dog as that often seems to be the case with Sky announcing things first and then Virgin it seems still running round the track but anyway apoligies if l sound a bit grumpy Hugh.:)

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Don't worry, it's when you start sounding like the rest of the 7 dwarfs,..then we might start worrying :D

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The 7 dwarfs reminds me of certain CF posters but there will be no mention of any names you can be rest assured of that.;):D

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I had a look at alternative 7 dwarfs..best one was
Addict
Druggy
Low-Self-Esteemey
Lazy
Gassy
Snotty
Maniacal

Low self esteemy made me laugh..probably from a scheme :D

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Low-self-esteemy from a schemey.....

I like it...

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British Eurosport channel launches on Sky Go.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/new...on-sky-go.html

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Brilliant news another channel available on the move.

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Great news, another god channel for us Sky Go customers

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Absolutely fantastic, Skygo is worth £20 a month alone with Sky-Movies and ALL Sky-sports channels but to get it inclusive and now with Eurosport aswell as the other channels EG Sky Atlantic, Sky 1 etc really makes my Sky subscription amazing value for money.

My xbox360 is now bassically a free 4th Multiroom box with access to ondemand as well as live TV. As Sky on xbox360 has access to loads and loads of channels like Disney, Nickleodeon etc all at no extra charge if you're a multiroom subscriber.

Also; does anyone have information on Sky looking to intergrate SkyGo into Smart TV's? I've read a few things about it but nothing official, Makes a lot of sense I guess.

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Channel name change. it seems channel 382 has changed name from Chart Show + 1 to Buzmuzik

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QVC plans HD

http://www.google.co.uk/m/search?tbm...lans+HD&flip=0

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Thats going to bring in the viewers one suspects..

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I think that will be quite good, the amount of times they say this HD tv is good, you cant see the quality as we dont broadcast in hd, people will then be able to see how good hd is

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Good news. I miss iplayer

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That should keep the master and his minions happy for while.:)

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Plus no need to record shows via EPG for these channels as they can ve downloaded to the planner.

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Looks like the multiroom streaming feature that's been banded about could arrive at some point. :) , I know the Beta EPG is to be rolled out pretty soon and hopefully there should be a few feature updates this year.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=1622

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Lets hope so MM. Will be great if it will be that soon

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The trouble is with multiroom streaming is your wait could be as long as our wait so don't expect it soon MM.:)

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It will be amazing if multiroom streaming hits as soonas July; but I'm happy to wait as I didn't even know Sky were thinking about it.

So anytime this year is good for me.

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Im sure we will have Multi Room Streaming up and running before VM. Vm are too far behind Sky. When VM think of an idea (TV wise) Sky are already 5 steps ahead. Also because Sky own most of the channels it becomes easier than VM

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The master likes a devoted servant but he seems to have a dreamer on his hand here as well Mr Stokes.;):D

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Me? Dream? Never. :D I'm just saying it how it is

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l think you have devoted yourself to your masters teachings:):D

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Compared to the way you serve your master preaching the word of Virginmedia all over this place anyone else pales in comparison. I'm sure your master sleeps well knowingyou are here spreading his word and dark arts.

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l praise and criticise in equal measure but its a pity that some others don't adopt the same type of thinking.:)

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I follow the art of Bater..at least trying to master the art

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I learn well :)

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The thing is Denphone an I mean this in a genuine none "fanboy" way.

As a CUSTOMER of Sky there really is not a lot to criticise them for. They have the best content, the most HD, great exclusives. I would be the first as I'm sure so would many others to let the world know when Sky is failing.

But Sky works, Sky deliver, it is just a TV/BB/Phone provider and in the respect there is not much to complain about. As Sky customer we are not going to complain about Sky having exclusive rights as we get the content. So what do you think we should be complaining about Denphone?

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Well its not up to me to tell you but there are many areas where Sky overall has a inferior service but the areas in which they are stronger in have more to do with monopolistic tendacies and a uncompetitive attitude in with-holding channels and content from other providers and in that the UK pay-TV industry is still unfairly balanced in Sky’s favour.

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And Virgin does exactly the same with their broadband network

Yet I never hear you say anything about that.

Hmmmmm

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Virgin spent £13 billion on their broadband network but Sky for a long while piggybacked on to BT's network and have spent a miniscule amount in comparison so why should Virgin share their network with Sky?.:)

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And SKY pay for their content..yet you think they should let Virgin have it

Seems somewhat unfair...it is ok for Virgin to spend money..and keep it exclusive, but Sky is not allowed to do the same?

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read above...you are saying it is ok for Virgin..but not for SKY

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Sky generally make bids so high for available rights content that no-one else has a chance to compete for the rights that are available and then when it has it it simply with-holds it through unfair practices or by simply asking for unrealistic carriage fees.:)

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Yeah erm.. I'm a customer of Sky I'm not a business in competition with them. As far as Sky having inferior services all I can say is when I turn my TV on there is lots of live TV content and lots of Ondemand content when I pick upmy phone it works and when I use my PC the BB is just fine.

So like I said AS A SKY CUSTOMER there really is nothing for me to moan about. If you're really worried about monopoly's take up the fight of drug companys with holding patents for life saving medicines or over pricing cancer treatments. Don't worry to much about who has the rights to series 4 of Glee.

Virginmedia have clearly stated in the past they're no longer interested in buying exclusive content and want to concentrate on being a platform not a content provider.

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And Virgin just refuses period.

So your argument is..Sky compete with others...get it..then (shock) expect others to pay when they share.

Virgin just say No, they aren't sharing.

I think the latter seems unfair practice. You are slightly askew with your understanding of what constitutes unfair practice

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Colin we are talking about the Pay TV industry here and its important you don't confuse that with Virgins broadband network because as we know it there are no uncompetitive practices going on there but there are plenty of uncompetitive practices happening in the Pay TV industry and Sky have a track record of that as we have seen consistently in the last 10 years thus Ofcom have had to have several inquirys and even now a inquiry is ongoing into Skys monopolistic unfair practices.

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Den, you seem to have a fixation to want to demonstrate that SKY is bad, because it competes, but that Virgin is good, yet it restricts

My point..is that to focus on one area, and call it unfair, whilst totally ignoring the other seems bizarre.

Sky compete for their product. You seem to forget..it is pay tv...if they weren't competitive, no one would buy their product

I don't see SKY as good or bad..i see them as a provider of a service that I take.

I equally don't think Virgin is good or bad, and they have made business decisions that I do not like

They are both businesses, in it to make a profit, and as much a profit as they can get...don't kid yourself otherwise

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In the pay tv industry it was VM that had successful channels but decided to sell. I honestly can't see how you can complain about Sky when it is VM that decides to behave this way.

VM's channels were very successful. Sky took little time to stamp their names over what VM sold to Sky. You should take your grievances up with VM as they are the ones deciding not to compete.

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As far as I'm aware the vast amount of Sky's channels/content is available on both Sky and VM so they're hardly holding much back with the exception of Sky Atlantic which they use as a USP for the platform surely with their vast investment in channels/content they should be allowed some kind of exclusive otherwise weres the incentive to invest.

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l think you have somehow forgotten about Sky Sports HD F1, Sky Sports HD 3and 4, Sky News HD, Sky Sports News HD and then there are the exclusive so no-one else can it deals for example the ITV HD channels and then there are the deals they have done with quite a few providers in order to stop other providers from accessing the content and then of course we have the film deal done with 6 major studios which in my mind is anti competitive.:)

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You being them channels into it but surely you have to say the same about Film 4 HD on VM? Also last i hear talks were on going for the missing ITV HD channels

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All those channels he lists can still be viewed all be it in SD so hardly withholding content and haven't the CC just deemed that no restrictions will be placed on Sky Movies now that Netflix and Lovefilm have come to the table.

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Mmmmmmmmm the CC that useless bunch who could not organise a **** up in a brewery and thats the one thing they do have in common with Ofcom l am afraid.:td::(

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What were ofcom doing when Sky only had the sd version of VMs channels?

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Which ones?.

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Just like Film 4HD is exclusive to virginmedia and Virginmedia also withhold access to its 100Mb capable broadband network. In a lot of areas Virginmedia have no competition for hi-speed broadband.

Virginmedia resell Sky1,Sky2,Skyports1,2,3,4,Sky news,Skysportsnews,Skyliving and many more plus they also resell BT ADSL but what do they give anyone else?

They try to force consumers to sign upto there own cable network by refusing to allow any other company access to it. Considering they cover 12 million homes I feel that is unfair.

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VM had exclusive HD for its own channel until it sold it to Sky. You know which one.

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Can you watch SkyF1, SkySports 3&4,Skynews on Virginmedia? YES

Can you watch the films from the 6 major studios on Virginmedia? YES

The ITV HD deal is not exclusive to Sky ITV have stated Virgin are free to have it.

Sky should approach the banks that own Virginmedias £6BILLION debt about getting access to Virginmedias broadband network.

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Only in SD

Yes but we are charged the earth for it.

Then ITV are talking rubbish.

What utter imaginary twaddle.

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What? Are you so devoted to your masters dark arts you now just completely ignore the facts?

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Better to have a true fact rather then a false one.:)

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ITV HD channels are not exclusive to Sky, ITV 1HD was exclusive to Freesat but never to Sky. It is absolute FACT Virginmedia could negotiate a carriage deal for itv 2,3,4HD if they really wanted to. Its nothing to do with Sky purely down to VM and ITV.

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You may find this of interest

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That is speculation..in fact..he says he doesn't know about VM

Do you have a quote from VM?

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The point is there is no "Exclusivity contract" with Sky if ITV are being greedy and creating deals that they believe will bring them more money then contact ITV and tell them you think its unfair.


I believe the issue is ITV 2,3,4HD are behind a pay wall on Sky (ITV''s request) so they get part of the subs, For Virginmedia and Smallworld to carry them they also must put them behind a paywall. Which means they will have to give up some subs money.

They obviously don't think its worth it to their subscribers. ITV are a business at the end of the day and things like this become a problem for providers that give inclusive HD channels.

Virginmedia should consider a small HD fee like maybe £4 a month and explain to customers if they want the bestHD content then it costs money to produce, broadcast, and for Virginmedia to buy in. When Virginmedia customers moan Sky want to much for some HD content they need to understand Sky customers pay £10 a month for HD. So for that £10 they deserve better content than Virginmedia are giving for free, or inclusive in the package. You can't have it both ways if Virgin charged for HD they could afford Atlantic and the rest of the channels.

Allowing your customers to blame Sky is to easy and Virign are happy to sit back and let it happen.

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According to this article it is non exclusive -

http://m.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/m...a&type=article

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What is more likely is, Virgin want the channels on the cheap, and are not willing to pay a fair price.

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Any proof of that Colin?.:)

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I agree, it is more likely that however much ITV want for 2,3,4HD Virgin have decided its too much.

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No it is more likely that Sky have massively paid over the odds for some type of fixed term exclusive deal.

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Nope, disagree. Virgin have no interest in tv content. Hence selling their channels. If virgin can get it cheap, they will buy, else they will just not play ball. ITV are in it for the business, this is additional for them, so rightly they don't want to give it away.

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Virgin sold their TV content business because of the simple reason that it is impossible for anybody to compete with Sky on this front so in my mind it was a wise move to get out of the content business.

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I couldnt careless why they don't have them if I'm honest. I choose Sky because it's pretty much a given that a channel will be added at launch , I'm not remotely bothered about the business or regulatory side as I'm a customer not an exec.

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You're absolutely right there are bodies in place to ensure everything is kept in order its not my concern. I'm not going to get dragged into these silly arguments anymore.

I will let the regulators and market forces look after the business side, I will keep enjoying the great content.

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lol...true. Pointless discussion. I err to being quiet on this..From now :D

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To bring us back on topic what HD channels do you think will be added this year ?

I'm thinking possibly Film 4 HD , Alibi HD , TCM HD and wasn't More4 rumoured to be going HD at some point.

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More4 HD would be popular in our house, film4HD not to bothered about but any new HD content is always very welcome.

Its the multiroom streaming that I'm excited about especially with rumours it could hit as early as the end of July. I don't expect it hat soon but its going to be great when it comes.

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Quiet well l am afraid the old boys club will never be that.:D;)

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Well Alibi HD is a cert to come sometime next month MM.

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The beta EPG will gradually be rolled out and then over time there will be feature updates which I'm betting will include multiroom streaming , iPad companion app , iplayer and ITV Player.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...9&postcount=35

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Nope. Sky don't over pay. There is a £10.25 a month sub on Sky for HD. They are chargingtheir customers for HD so can afford to pay what ITV want.

VM don't even charge for HD so can't really see why customers complain in this regard. Its obvious VM won't get these HD channels because these channels on VM would come directly out of its bottom line profits.