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Maggy 21-07-2011 21:41
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I'm just fecked off that as usual another thread descends into political wrangling and stupid finger pointing.We were doing so well.:(

Osem 21-07-2011 21:49
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35276567)
So - don't hire someone because he has not been charged or found guilty of anything,
Well you see Flyboy's twisted version of 'justice' dictates that latex gloved, rock toting, budding pyromaniacs photographed causing mayhem in London are innocent even after being proved guilty whereas anyone with any connection to the police or the evil Tory party is guilty before and even after being proved innocent.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35276567)
just base your hiring decisions on hearsay and rumour.......
Almost as bad as basing massively important decisons on lies and spin...

Flyboy 21-07-2011 21:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35276567)
So - don't hire someone because he has not been charged or found guilty of anything, just base your hiring decisions on hearsay and rumour.......
But if that person's alledged prior behaviour is likely to threaten the well-being of your business, then no, don't appoint them, it's common sense.

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Instead of spreading rumour and innuendo ("I am sure if there was any nefarious activity we will be informed as time goes by"), why not wait to see what the police enquiry and the inquiry panel find - or is it easier to ignore "innocent until proven guilty" if the person involved is a Conservative?
You can read anything you like in to any of my remarks, but that won't change the fact that Cameron, Coulson and the Murdochs are hiding something.

Mick 21-07-2011 21:58
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This has got to the stage of the Tory camp vs Labour camp again - I specifically requested pages ago that I did not want this thread turning into a political battle ground - I really couldn't care less if it is on 'par' with the topic - I want it to end now.

Edit: Just to add - Political discussion surrounding the events of the scandal is fine - but the political point scoring with each other is not what this thread is about and it must stop.

Flyboy 21-07-2011 22:05
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[Admin Edit(Mick) Post Removed-I said stop the political arguments]

LondonRoad 21-07-2011 23:06
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Glad you stepped in Mick. I was beginning to think that Rupert was a victim of all the manipulative politicians in Britain.:D

I'm actually a tad surprised that this scandal hasn't gone more international yet. There was the suggestion of the alleged 9/11 hackers but not a lot else.

I suspect that the Murdochs are doing their very best to keep this within our borders but I suspect once they've jettisoned all that they can from our shores this will go global.

denphone 22-07-2011 06:51
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Right this is non political as l have always tried to be but what do people think about James Murdoch because l think he is definitely not telling the truth and l think he will be found out sooner rather then later as this scandal rumbles on.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ittee-evidence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...p-looking-down

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...h-2318540.html

Maggy 22-07-2011 08:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35276649)
Right this is non political as l have always tried to be but what do people think about James Murdoch because l think he is definitely not telling the truth and l think he will be found out sooner rather then later as this scandal rumbles on.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ittee-evidence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...p-looking-down

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...h-2318540.html
From the first link.
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The existence of the email, known as the "for Neville" email because of its link to the paper's former chief reporter Neville Thurlbeck, is thought to have been critical in News International's decision to pay out around £700,000 to Taylor in an out-of-court settlement after he threatened to sue the paper.
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John Whittingdale, the chairman of the culture, sport and media select committee, said: "We as a committee regarded the 'for Neville' email as one of the most critical pieces of evidence in the whole inquiry. We will be asking James Murdoch to respond and ask him to clarify."
He added that "it was seen as one of the few available pieces of evidence showing that this activity was not confined just to Clive Goodman", the only journalist on the paper to have been prosecuted – and jailed – in relation to phone hacking so far.


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I've also been listening to the BBC news just now and they are saying that there may be charges to be made in the US over phone hacking in relation to the hacking of Jude Law's phone on a US network..

No link for that snippet though.:erm:

---------- Post added at 08:19 ---------- Previous post was at 08:16 ----------

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/wo..._r=1&ref=world

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A key figure in Britain’s widening phone hacking scandal who had worked as an editor at The News of the World surfaced in Florida on Thursday, saying he was preparing to return to Britain and was talking to the British police.

denphone 22-07-2011 08:22
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This is like a Pandora's box as the ending of all this is likely to be a couple of years away yet and the question is who's next to open their mouth and reveal everything.

BenMcr 22-07-2011 10:31
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35276661)
I've also been listening to the BBC news just now and they are saying that there may be charges to be made in the US over phone hacking in relation to the hacking of Jude Law's phone on a US network..

No link for that snippet though.:erm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14244139

denphone 22-07-2011 11:01
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l have just seen a piece in the independent and it has just sid that the James Murdoch claim is to be referred to the Police.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-2318751.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...king-live.html

BenMcr 22-07-2011 11:06
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BBC now as well http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14245922

denphone 22-07-2011 13:37
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More questions being asked here of Andy Coulson and David Cameron.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog...-live-coverage

denphone 22-07-2011 19:31
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Breaking news on the BBC and that is that NOTW hired a investigator to follow MP Tom Watson.

Damien 22-07-2011 20:19
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35276948)
Breaking news on the BBC and that is that NOTW hired a investigator to follow MP Tom Watson.
Not surprised. He was on this issue very early.

Osem 22-07-2011 21:22
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35276981)
Not surprised. He was on this issue very early.
Yes, given what's coming out and Watson's role, I'd be more surprised if they hadn't done that.

Damien 22-07-2011 21:25
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Probably means they didn't find anything though. Anyone taking on News International, prior to the last few weeks, would have to be utterly clean. Nothing remotely controversial to their lives, no bitter ex-partners, no dodgy incidents in their youth, no affairs, nothing. Wouldn't surprise me to find out the editor of the Guardian and the reporter who broke the story 2 years ago were not followed. Not to mention the actors such as Hugh Grant who campaigned on this issue.

denphone 23-07-2011 05:50
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And it seems that what we have probably all suspected all along and that is that phone hacking is endemic across Fleet street Red tops.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14259180

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...r-2319039.html

And a couple of other bits of news as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...on-in-law.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-decision.html

TheDaddy 23-07-2011 07:21
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35276368)
So Cameron should apologise for hiring somebody who has not been found guilty of anything, only charged? And he has stated that if Coulson is found guilty, he will come back and apologise.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
In this case I think France's old guilty until proven innocent laws should be used and speaking of Dave, I wonder if Rupert regrets appointing him PM now :D

Hugh 23-07-2011 08:51
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35277136)
In this case I think France's old guilty until proven innocent laws should be used and speaking of Dave, I wonder if Rupert regrets appointing him PM now :D
Ah, that old canard.....:D

Link
Quote:
la Constitution française (1958) – Article 9 of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (1789) “Everyone is supposed innocent until having been declared guilty”.

Maggy 23-07-2011 09:28
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/wo...ef=global-home

It gets dirtier and dirtier.

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On Dec. 21 last year, The Daily Telegraph was preparing to publish a blockbuster exclusive: Vince Cable, the government’s business secretary, had been caught on tape boasting that he had “declared war” on Rupert Murdoch and would find a convenient legal excuse to block the News Corporation’s bid for British Sky Broadcasting, Britain’s most lucrative satellite television network.
But the day before The Telegraph was to run the article, the paper was scooped by Robert Peston, the business editor of the BBC. Mr. Peston reported that “a whistle-blower” had provided him with a secretly recorded conversation between The Telegraph’s undercover reporters and Mr. Cable.
Senior editors at The Telegraph, furious that Mr. Peston had somehow beat them on their own story, suspected they were the victims of corporate espionage.
Do read the article to the end..even the BBC is being dragged into this case..

Osem 23-07-2011 09:40
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35277180)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/wo...ef=global-home

It gets dirtier and dirtier.



Do read the article to the end..even the BBC is being dragged into this case..
Hmm, well with the stakes so high and the pressure* to get scoops so great, I can see how that might encourage the pushing of boundaries as to what is and isn't acceptable. I think the media is slowly being reduced to the lowest common denominator.

*whether imposed by an employer or indeed self imposed in the pursuit of fame, recognition etc.

Damien 23-07-2011 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35277180)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/wo...ef=global-home

It gets dirtier and dirtier.



Do read the article to the end..even the BBC is being dragged into this case..
To be fair it suggests someone is leaking to the BBC. Not that they are involved with hacking or other illegal means.

TheDaddy 23-07-2011 16:55
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35277157)
Ah, that old canard.....:D

Link
Was a joke Hugh, not particularly funny admitted but considering it was a Frenchman that came up with the concept of innocent until proven guilty I was hoping I wouldn't have to explain it.

muppetman11 23-07-2011 17:29
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Also it has emerged that Lord Leveson, the judge who will lead the hacking inquiry has said he had attended functions with Rupert Murdoch's son-in-law - but that he had informed Prime Minister David Cameron of this before the appointment was announced.



What a joke.

Hugh 23-07-2011 17:31
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Tenuous link, really....

Maggy 23-07-2011 21:27
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35277224)
To be fair it suggests someone is leaking to the BBC. Not that they are involved with hacking or other illegal means.
I didn't say they were guilty..I merely pointed out that they were being implicated.It's something we will be seeing rather more of as the case is further investigated and reported.

Maggy 24-07-2011 09:39
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/bu...ml?_r=1&emc=na

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Joel I. Klein, the former New York City schools chancellor, was in a tricky position. Three weeks ago, Rupert Murdoch asked Mr. Klein, now his trusted deputy, to oversee an investigation into the phone hacking scandal that has deeply wounded the News Corporation and its chairman, something Mr. Klein was eager to avoid.
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His seemingly contradictory roles — de facto chief of internal affairs officer and ascendant executive with Mr. Murdoch’s ear — are raising questions about how robust and objective the internal inquiry can be.

Maggy 24-07-2011 17:00
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...emocrats-bskyb


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Rupert Murdoch's News International launched a campaign of bullying against senior Liberal Democrats in an attempt to force through the company's bid for BSkyB, high-level sources have told the Observer.
Lib Dem insiders say NI officials took their lobbying campaign well beyond acceptable limits and even threatened, last autumn, to persecute the party if Vince Cable, the business secretary, did not advance its case.
According to one account from a senior party figure, a cabinet minister was told that, if the government did not do as NI wanted, the Lib Dems would be "done over" by the Murdoch papers, which included the now defunct News of the World as well as the Sun, the Times and the Sunday Times.
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Labour insiders say NI executives made clear to Miliband's office that because he had chosen to "make it personal" they would do the same, implying they would attack him through their media outlets.

denphone 24-07-2011 17:40
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So basically do what we tell you or else you will face the consequences.

m419 25-07-2011 16:41
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Eventually News international may well sell off bskyb as well as Sky Deutscheland.

Rupert Murdoch doesn't usually likes wholly owned companies and that is what his aim was, now that has failed and because people don't like news international anymore in the UK, he may well sell it off. If he does that all Sky branded channels and Viacom channels will either have there content rationed or else subscription costs will go up as it will no longer be in house. Good news for Virgin Media,BT Vision,Smallworld,Chorus,Cablecom-Switzerland and TalkTalk TV and its customers because it will open the market quite a lot and the cost of channels will be cut as well as having full availability across all platforms.

Effected Channels if News international sell of BskyB:

Sky 1
Sky 2
Sky Living
Sky Movies (All channels)
Sky Atlantic (Any content directly from Fox network)
MTV
Comedy Central
Nickelodeon
VH1
History
Military History
Biography channel
National Geographic
Crime and Investigation

Sky will have to pay more for content as well as carriage costs.

Content across such channels like The Simpsons could be removed from Sky 1 and Sky 2 and be moved to FX as well as a terrestrial channel such as Channel 4. FX is a wholly owned channel of News International and will become a direct competitor of Sky 1. Without shows like The Simpsons, Sky 1 will fail.

Sky Deutscheland in Germany is not pulling in as many customers as it hoped due to competition with Cable TV, Cable TV offers many channels for free so there isn't much need for satellite TV.

Anyway we will just have to wait and see!

Maggy 25-07-2011 17:05
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Threads merged.

denphone 26-07-2011 07:48
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The warnings were there a long time ago that hacking was rife at Murdoch's papers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-2325909.html

Maggy 26-07-2011 09:29
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Did anyone watch the Channel 4 Dispatches,How Murdoch Ran Britain last night?

If you didn't it is available on 4oD.

BenMcr 26-07-2011 11:28
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There is also another Murdoch programme on Weds 10pm Channel 4 (and in HD)

Derek 26-07-2011 14:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35278593)
The warnings were there a long time ago that hacking was rife at Murdoch's papers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-2325909.html
There has been warnings since 2002 that they were all at it. From May 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2002/may/01/1

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How appropriate that the most glamourous event in the showbusiness calender should be sponsored by a phone company. Mohan went on to thank "Vodafone's lack of security" for the Mirror's showbusiness exclusives. Whatever does he mean?

denphone 26-07-2011 14:59
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35278617)
Did anyone watch the Channel 4 Dispatches,How Murdoch Ran Britain last night?

If you didn't it is available on 4oD.
Yes l recorded it and tonight given a bit of time l will watch it tonight.

---------- Post added at 14:59 ---------- Previous post was at 14:57 ----------

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35278718)
There has been warnings since 2002 that they were all at it. From May 2002

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2002/may/01/1
Two words spring to mind and that is a Pandora's box.

Maggy 26-07-2011 18:58
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Something I forgot to mention from last night's Despatches was how one ex NOTW reporter had access to 3.5 million to use as bribe money..

That sort of sum provides a lot of temptation..:(

denphone 27-07-2011 05:34
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All very cosy if you ask me about Murdoch and the present government.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-2326517.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...hree-days.html

Hugh 27-07-2011 11:43
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And, of course, he had no close contacts in the previous Government....Independent

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Mr Murdoch told a committee of MPs on Tuesday that he was advised to use the back door to Downing Street to avoid photographers when visiting both Mr Cameron and Mr Brown. He expressed regret about the breakdown of his relationship with Mr Brown, saying their wives became friends and their children played together.
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While they were in power, The Independent submitted several requests under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act asking for details of their contacts with the media mogul. In 2006, Downing Street ruled that while there was a public interest in Mr Blair's dealings with Mr Murdoch, there was an overriding interest in keeping them secret so the Prime Minister could have "free and frank discussions".

Mr Brown allowed Mr Blair's contacts with Mr Murdoch to be disclosed after succeeding him in 2007. Replying to an FOI request from James Macintyre, a former Independent journalist, the Cabinet Office revealed that Mr Blair had three telephone conversations with Mr Murdoch in the nine days before the start of the Iraq war in 2003. The invasion was strongly supported by Murdoch-owned newspapers. The Cabinet Office said there were six telephone discussions between Mr Blair and Mr Murdoch in 20 months, all at crucial moments of his premiership. The subject of their calls was not revealed.

However, Mr Brown's openness did not extend to his own contacts with Mr Murdoch. Replying to another FOI request, Downing Street told The Independent that "we do not hold any minutes of any meetings or other interactions" between Mr Brown and Mr Murdoch. This was despite the News Corp chairman's visit to Chequers in October 2007 during the weekend when Mr Brown scrapped plans for a snap general election.

denphone 27-07-2011 11:49
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35279049)
And, of course, he had no close contacts in the previous Government....
Of course they did but this is the present government we are talking about and it seems they had more fingers in the cherry pie then the previous administration.:)

Hugh 27-07-2011 11:53
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35279052)
Of course they did but this is the present government we are talking about and it seems they had more fingers in the cherry pie then the previous administration.:)
Read my update......

Love the way that only the present counts.......

denphone 27-07-2011 12:05
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35279054)
Read my update......

Love the way that only the present counts.......
Yes l have read your update and while the previous administration cannot pretend to wash their hands of this l still think the current administration has many more skeletons in its cupboard and has considerably more to lose.

Osem 27-07-2011 12:50
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35279049)
And, of course, he had no close contacts in the previous Government....Independent
I'm really looking forward to the full extent of these relationships becoming known and the cynical hypocrisy of some of these people being exposed for what it is.

Damien 28-07-2011 16:19
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ng-sarah-payne

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Sara Payne, whose eight-year-old daughter Sarah was abducted and murdered in July 2000, has been told by Scotland Yard that they have found evidence to suggest she was targeted by the News of the World's investigator Glenn Mulcaire, who specialised in hacking voicemail.

Police had earlier told her correctly that her name was not among those recorded in Mulcaire's notes, but on Tuesday officers from Operation Weeting told her they had found her personal details among the investigator's notes. These had previously been thought to refer to a different target.

Friends of Sara Payne have told the Guardian that she is "absolutely devastated and deeply disappointed" at the disclosure. Her cause had been championed by the News of the World, and in particular by its former editor, Rebekah Brooks. Believing that she had not been a target for hacking, Payne wrote a farewell column for the paper's final edition on 10 July, referring to its staff as "my good and trusted friends".

denphone 28-07-2011 16:20
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l have just seen this news online and its just another disgraceful and sickening bit of behavior by NOTW.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...ng-sarah-payne

RizzyKing 28-07-2011 17:25
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There really were not any depths they were prepared to descend too for a story was there absolutely sickening it really is and thats as polite as i can be without causing a mod some work.

As for the whole political aspect of this can i just ask beyond friendships that cameron had (and it seems very prominent labour politicians before him had) is there absolutely anything to suggest that the current tory part of this coalition has more to worry about then the previous goverments under labour.

Apart from the coulson thing which has now been admitted as a mistake by cameron and was a poor judgement call at worst unless something new comes up. There isn't anything to say they are worse unless we take Flyboys accusation of them profiting from phone hacking during the election something else i would like to see some proof of as the only thing i had vaguely heard about was a labour chappie getting info on tory central office or somesuch.

Anything at all or is it just wishful thinking on the part of some ?.

devilincarnate 28-07-2011 18:36
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35279058)
Yes l have read your update and while the previous administration cannot pretend to wash their hands of this l still think the current administration has many more skeletons in its cupboard and has considerably more to lose.
Den you need to look a-lot further back and also to the present day in regards to this?

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Political activities in Britain
In Britain, in the 1980s, Murdoch formed a close alliance with Margaret Thatcher, and The Sun credited itself with helping John Major to win an unexpected election victory in the 1992 general election.[45] In the general elections of 1997, 2001 and 2005, Murdoch's papers were either neutral or supported Labour under Tony Blair. This has led some critics to argue that Murdoch simply supports the incumbent parties (or those who seem most likely to win an upcoming election) in the hope of influencing government decisions that may affect his businesses. The Labour Party, under Blair, had moved from the Left to a more central position on many economic issues prior to 1997. Murdoch identifies himself as a libertarian, saying "What does libertarian mean? As much individual responsibility as possible, as little government as possible, as few rules as possible. But I'm not saying it should be taken to the absolute limit."[46]
In a speech delivered in New York, Rupert Murdoch said that the British Prime Minister Tony Blair described the BBC coverage of the Hurricane Katrina disaster as being full of hatred of America.[47]
In 1998, Rupert Murdoch failed in his attempt to buy the football club Manchester United F.C.[48] with an offer of £625 million. It was the largest amount ever offered for a sports club. It was blocked by the United Kingdom's Competition Commission, which stated that the acquisition would have "hurt competition in the broadcast industry and the quality of British football".
On 28 June 2006 the BBC reported that Murdoch and News Corporation were flirting with the idea of backing Conservative leader David Cameron at the next General Election.[49] In a later interview in July 2006, when he was asked what he thought of the Conservative leader, Murdoch replied "Not much".[50] In a 2009 blog, it was suggested that in the aftermath of the News of the World phone hacking scandal which is still ongoing in 2011 and might yet have Transatlantic implications[51] Murdoch and News Corporation might have decided to back Cameron.[52] Despite this, there had already been a convergence of interests between the two men over the muting of Britain's communications regulator Ofcom.[53]
In 2006, Britain's Independent newspaper reported that Murdoch would offer Tony Blair a senior role in his global media company News Corporation when the prime minister stood down from office.[54]
He is accused by former Solidarity MSP Tommy Sheridan of having a personal vendetta against him and of conspiring with MI5 to produce a video of him confessing to having affairs – allegations over which Sheridan had previously sued News International and won.[55] On being arrested for perjury following the case, Sheridan claimed that the charges were "orchestrated and influenced by the powerful reach of the Murdoch empire".[56]
In August 2008 British Conservative leader and future Prime Minister David Cameron accepted free flights to hold private talks and attend private parties with Murdoch on his yacht, the Rosehearty.[57] Cameron has declared in the Commons register of interests he accepted a private plane provided by Murdoch's son-in-law, public relations guru Matthew Freud; Cameron has not revealed his talks with Murdoch. The gift of travel in Freud's Gulfstream IV private jet was valued at around £30,000. Other guests attending the "social events" included the then EU trade commissioner Lord Mandelson, the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and co-chairman of NBC Universal Ben Silverman. The Conservatives have not disclosed what was discussed.[58]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

denphone 28-07-2011 18:44
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35279692)
Den you need to look a-lot further back and also to the present day in regards to this?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch
Thank you for your helpful information and yes the Labour party cannot pretend that it was not close to Murdoch for quite a few years and this in my mind is something that is very regretable and yes Murdoch has had his tentacles in british politics for at least 30 years and hopefully this nefarious character's influence will now disappear for good and about time too.

devilincarnate 28-07-2011 18:49
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35279697)
Thank you for your helpful information and yes the Labour party cannot pretend that it was not close to Murdoch for quite a few years and this in my mind is something that is very regretable and yes Murdoch has had his tentacles in british politics for at least 30 years and hopefully this nefarious character's influence will now disappear for good and about time too.
You are welcome Den. Just been thinking about the House Of Lords debate a while ago and someone mentioned it? They said that Tony Blair had flown over to Australia to meet Murdoch, But when it was Thatcher she made hime come to her:erm:

Maggy 29-07-2011 09:48
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/wo...ef=global-home

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Britain was awash in a new surge of outrage over the phone hacking scandal on Thursday as news emerged that Scotland Yard had added to the list of probable victims a woman whose 8-year-old daughter was murdered by a repeat sex offender in 2000.
The tabloid at the center of the scandal, The News of the World, aggressively championed the campaign of the grieving mother, Sara Payne, for a law warning parents if child sex offenders lived nearby. Mrs. Payne had written warmly of the paper in its final issue, calling it “an old friend.”
A statement released on behalf of Mrs. Payne by the Phoenix Foundation, a children’s charity she founded, described her as devastated and disappointed.
It is becoming more and more apparent that no one and nothing was sacrosanct.

Chris 29-07-2011 10:24
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35279944)
It is becoming more and more apparent that no one and nothing was sacrosanct.
Welcome to the world of British newspapers. :shrug:

Sirius 29-07-2011 12:06
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Phone hacking row: PCC head Buscombe 'stepping down'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14342217

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The head of the Press Complaints Commission is to resign after growing criticism of its handling of the phone hacking scandal, the BBC understands.

Baroness Peta Buscombe has chaired the watchdog since April 2009 but has faced a backlash over the saga, which led to the closure of the News of the World.
Another one bites the dust

devilincarnate 29-07-2011 16:44
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Quote:
The private investigator at the centre of the News of the World phone-hacking claims "acted on the instructions of others", his lawyers have said.

In a statement Glenn Mulcaire's legal team said any suggestion he acted unilaterally was "untrue".

It comes after the mother of murdered schoolgirl Sarah Payne was told she may have been phone hacked by Mulcaire.

The investigator was jailed in 2007 after admitting to phone hacking while he was working for the paper.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14346083

denphone 29-07-2011 16:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35280180)
Be interesting what he will reveal.

Maggy 29-07-2011 19:16
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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/...ef=global-home

Seems the bounce back has started..

Quote:
British Sky Broadcasting, the satellite television company partly owned by Rupert Murdoch, said on Friday it would buy back some of its own shares and increase the dividend to compensate investors.BSkyB, as the company is also known, said it planned a share buyback worth £750 million, or $1.2 billion, and would return another £253 million to shareholders through a final dividend of 14.54 pence a share.
Quote:
BSkyB also said its board unanimously voted in favor of keeping James R. Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch’s son and a senior executive at News Corporation, in his job as chairman of BskyB’s board. It was the board’s first meeting since News Corporation was forced to abandon its BSkyB bid.

denphone 29-07-2011 19:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35280309)
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/...ef=global-home

Seems the bounce back has started..
Well l still think that James Murdoch is not out of the woods yet though.

devilincarnate 29-07-2011 19:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35280311)
Well l still think that James Murdoch is not out of the woods yet though.
Very true he is still at the centre trying to find his way out at this moment in time?

Maggy 29-07-2011 20:05
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14342674

Hmm! I wonder whom is at the bottom of this attempt at blagging and why?

Quote:
Conservative MP Louise Mensch has admitted she "probably" took drugs with violinist Nigel Kennedy when she was working for record company EMI.
The MP for Corby said she had been contacted by journalists who said they knew she had taken drugs at a nightclub.
The journalists claimed to have photographs of the night in question.
Quote:
Mrs Mensch, who also writes romantic novels under her maiden name Louise Bagshawe, has published an e-mail from investigative journalists accusing her of taking drugs and dancing, while drunk, with the musician during her time as a press officer for EMI a number of years ago.
She has also made public her reply to the journalists, which stated: "Although I do not remember the specific incident, this sounds highly probable... since I was in my twenties, I'm sure it was not the only incident of the kind; we all do idiotic things when young."
Quote:
A Labour member of the committee, West Bromwich East MP Tom Watson, said: "It seems that someone has been digging into the youth of Louise Mensch.
"I admire her for what she has done. The fact that they would go back 20 years and try to dig up into her private life is frankly disgusting.

Chris 29-07-2011 23:07
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Feel the love between Watson and Mensch. :D.

Good on her though, and hahahahahaha to the **** from whatever paper that was. I hope her decision to beat them to it cost them a hefty amount in lost fees.

Damien 29-07-2011 23:39
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Politicians like Watson and Mensch give you hope in the system

Maggy 30-07-2011 18:49
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It just gets worse..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14351004

Quote:
A new team of officers is to probe allegations of computer hacking, the Metropolitan Police has announced.
Operation Tuleta will examine breach of privacy claims received since January.
Quote:
Scotland Yard said the new team would investigate matters not covered by its phone-hacking inquiry, Operation Weeting, and report to Deputy Assistant Commissioner Sue Akers.
A spokesman said there had previously been a "consideration of allegations" of computer hacking rather than an investigation, but now "some aspects of that operation are being moved towards investigation".
The Met investigation is understood to include an examination of the covert use of "Trojan horse" computer viruses, which allow hackers to take control of third-party computers.

Sirius 30-07-2011 20:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35280888)
You know no matter which party an MP is in if it is proved they have been involved in this hacking or using information gleaned from hacking they should be SACKED, Don't allow them to resign SACK them.

Maggy 31-07-2011 09:29
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...documents.html

Quote:
The staff at The New York Post, Rupert Murdoch's US tabloid, have been instructed by company lawyers to save any documents that might relate to phone hacking and bribery.

The directive is a clear signs that News Corp expects that two criminal investigations under way in America will cover Mr Murdoch's US operations as well as his British newspapers.

The Justice Department is drawing up subpoenas as part of the two-pronged inquiries into whether journalists sought to hack the phones of 9/11 terror victims and paid British police for information in breach of US foreign bribery laws.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...f-scandal.html

Quote:
Senior Labour figures socialised with members of the Murdoch family and News International executives at a string of exclusive social events, records released by the party have revealed.
Just some of the latest articles.

denphone 31-07-2011 09:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35281057)
Yes l am afraid that Labour has its fingers in the pies as well to a certain extent.

Chris 31-07-2011 10:08
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Den ... I think you need to stop trying to judge which Party has had the most fingers in the News Corp pie. Both Labour and Conservative have been in up to their wrists.

denphone 31-07-2011 10:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35281081)
Den ... I think you need to stop trying to judge which Party has had the most fingers in the News Corp pie. Both Labour and Conservative have been in up to their wrists.
Yes you are right but most of us still like to have a say though even if we are wrong sometimes and l have been wrong here and there.:)

Maggy 31-07-2011 10:26
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Emma Hartley's blog

Interesting and thoughtful insights.Here is just one.

Quote:
I'm not soliciting sympathy. Learning to compromise is part of being an adult. I'm just saying: if journalism is to be held accountable for the inexcusable behaviour at News International, these things are relevant. I suggest that overweening fear of losing one's job could be partly responsible for the industry's lack of self-examination. It's a small industry at a national level and bullying managerial behaviour and top-down-ism are - whisper it - deeply ingrained. It's inconceivable that Rebekah Brooks didn't know what was going on but also understandable that no one blew the whistle for so long.

LondonRoad 31-07-2011 17:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35281081)
Den ... I think you need to stop trying to judge which Party has had the most fingers in the News Corp pie. Both Labour and Conservative have been in up to their wrists.
This isn't party political. I'm still not convinced that it's confined to the NOTW either. :(

watzizname 31-07-2011 18:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LondonRoad (Post 35281266)
This isn't party political. I'm still not convinced that it's confined to the NOTW either. :(
Am sure I read somewhere (maybe in this thread?) that the reason Milly Dowler's voicemail messages were deleted, wasn't to free up room for new ones, but to prevent rival rags from accessing them.

I guess the more the spotlight is shone on a select few, the less attention others (perhaps as equally deserving) are likely to receive.

There certainly seems to be an awful lot of newspapers and politicians (on both sides of the fence) keeping the focus on a select few right now..

Chad 01-08-2011 20:45
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I've just received this e-mail from The Sun.

"Dear Reader,

I am writing to you on behalf of News Group Newspapers (NGN) – publisher of The Sun and former publisher of the News of the World.

As you may be aware on July 19th The Sun website was subject to an organised criminal attack. It has now come to our attention that some customer information from competitions and polls was breached as part of this attack. Details vary, but could include name, address, date of birth, email and phone numbers. No financial or password information was compromised.

We are contacting you because we believe that information that you submitted to us could have been accessed, and may be published online by the group responsible. We are working closely with the Police and the Information Commissioner's Office to ensure that all steps are taken to retrieve the files involved.

We regret that we've not been able to stop this incident from happening. We'll update you directly if there are further developments related to your specific data. We would advise as a precaution to take extra care when dealing with contact from third parties if they are unknown to you.

In the meantime if you have any questions or require any further information, please contact us at custserv@thesun.co.uk or on 0207 8601129.

Regards,
Chris Duncan
Director of Customer Management"

I'm not happy about this at all. Anyone else received an e-mail like this today or am I the only one sad enough to post in The Sun forums?

roughbeast 01-08-2011 22:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35281825)
I'm not happy about this at all. Anyone else received an e-mail like this today or am I the only one sad enough to post in The Sun forums?
I am sure there are others sad enough. :) Astonishing as it may seem people actually read that excuse for a newspaper. :shocked:

It just gets murkier and murkier doesn't it? When those in a position to manage information, we all depend on, turn out to be corrupt as well as fatally partial I get very concerned about the state of our democracy and the well-being of our society.

denphone 02-08-2011 06:07
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And this does not surprise me and just tells us how endemic things were at News International.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-2330254.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...mass-deletions

Maggy 02-08-2011 07:46
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It's not quite so bad

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...d-2330261.html

Quote:
Think your email has been wiped when you press the delete button? Well think again. Removing information from a hard drive or server may seem like a simple one-click procedure, but permanently deleting data is all but impossible without military grade software.
Quote:
Emails are no different. When you send someone a message it will travel through – and be stored on – a whole host of servers, from a sender's hard drive, to a company's server, through various email gateways and then on to the recipient's server and hard drive.
The only way to delete such an email permanently would be to wipe it at each and every one of those steps. If investigators have access to those steps they can start to piece together the gaps.

denphone 02-08-2011 16:50
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There has been another arrest today of a important former NOTW editor.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-2330587.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-arrested.html

devilincarnate 02-08-2011 17:02
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Not sure if this has been posted?

Quote:
Technology firm HCL has told the Home Affairs select committee that it was aware of the deletion of hundreds of thousands of emails by News International, but also insisted that it knew of nothing "untoward" in the requests.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...ed-emails.html

Maggy 03-08-2011 08:26
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/wo...html?ref=world

Quote:
On the ground floor of the sprawling office complex that was, until recently, the home of The News of the World, a bespectacled clerk sat at a counter behind a reinforced glass cashier’s window. When reporters needed cash to pursue articles, they simply filled out a green form and, after getting authorization from the managing editor, exchanged it at the window for up to tens of thousands of pounds, said several journalists who worked there
Quote:
So far a search by the company of the cash records has found more than $200,000 in payments to police officers from The News of the World, according to two people with knowledge of the documents.
A search by the company? :confused:

Quote:
A press officer for News International said the police agreed to allow the company to retain possession of the records while it conducted the first examination of them. The company said it could not hand the evidence directly to police without ensuring that journalistic sources, and legally privileged documents, were protected.
That arrangement drew criticism from a former senior Scotland Yard official, who was not involved in the hacking inquiry. “On the day News Corp. announced it was shutting down the newspaper, what I would have done is gotten a warrant, raided the premises and taken everything so that I could have looked at it myself,” the former official said.
Yes well something still smells..

Chris 03-08-2011 10:34
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The failure to pursue this with the rigour it deserves is the very reason two of the most senior coppers in the UK have fallen on their swords.

denphone 03-08-2011 10:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35282506)
The failure to pursue this with the rigour it deserves is the very reason two of the most senior coppers in the UK have fallen on their swords.
Yes most definitely and perhaps the higher echelons of the Met Police will now do their jobs which they are very highly paid properly.

BenMcr 03-08-2011 10:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35282432)
Yes well something still smells..
Definately. Can't imagine them doing that with anyone else

'Excuse me Mr Tax Evader, we are going to check you records in two weeks time...'

devilincarnate 03-08-2011 18:24
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Looks like it was not the only one doing it?

Quote:
Heather Mills has alleged a senior Mirror Group journalist admitted hacking voicemails left for her by her then-boyfriend Sir Paul McCartney.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14393925

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcas...-reporter.html

Stuart 03-08-2011 19:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35282432)
Yes well something still smells..
Indeed. It's not entirely the same, but a Freight Forwarding company I used to work for was raided (by Customs officers, not Police). I never found out why, and it was before I worked there, so I didn't pry.

Even though the company had legally privileged documents (some of which, due to the fact they did a lot of work for the MOD at the time, were covered by the official secrets act), the customs officers walked in, told everyone to leave. When everyone had (and the building was searched for people), they told everyone to leave contact details and go home. They then sealed the building.

Sorry, but in my opinion, if the Police have good grounds to suspect someone of a crime, they don't allow the suspects access to the evidence first..

TheDaddy 04-08-2011 06:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35282713)
Looks like it was not the only one doing it?
Like anyone's going to believe that person, she wouldn't know the truth if it came up behind her and chopped her leg of, besides what's she playing at, trying to get these hacks a bit of sympathy or something.

denphone 04-08-2011 06:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35282863)
Like anyone's going to believe that person, she wouldn't know the truth if it came up behind her and chopped her leg of, besides what's she playing at, trying to get these hacks a bit of sympathy or something.
l do not think anybody has any sympathy for those hacking.

RizzyKing 04-08-2011 17:07
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Am i the only one that has waited for heather mills to pop up i am surprised it has taken her this long tbh.

LondonRoad 04-08-2011 17:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35283089)
Am i the only one that has waited for heather mills to pop up i am surprised it has taken her this long tbh.
Given her history of giving evidence I don't think it'd stand up in court. :angel:

roughbeast 04-08-2011 18:45
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Given that many of the negative things we know about Heather Mills are the product of tabloid tittle tattle, should we be slagging her off? I think the whole country is the victim of the tabloids, but she has been specifically attacked at times.

We can't go around decrying criminal tabloid behaviour and their style and then be totally suckered by them at the same time. Give the girl a break and wait until we hear more through the responsible press.

BTW this story is buried deep within the news section of the Guardian.

Maggy 04-08-2011 19:03
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Snippet from the latest copy of Private Eye.

Cameron during his tenure had 26 meetings and social engagements with NI to discuss the ruling on the BBC licence fee agreement and BSkyB bid.

Cameron's meetings/social engagements during the same tenure with the BBC to discuss the ruling on the BBC licence fee and the BSkyB bid=1

I wish I could have found the last issue but for some reason it was sold out.:D
Never mind this latest issue has provided me with much amusement as well as annoyance.

denphone 04-08-2011 19:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35283174)
Snippet from the latest copy of Private Eye.

Cameron during his tenure had 26 meetings and social engagements with NI to discuss the ruling on the BBC licence fee agreement and BSkyB bid.

Cameron's meetings/social engagements during the same tenure with the BBC to discuss the ruling on the BBC licence fee and the BSkyB bid=1

I wish I could have found the last issue but for some reason it was sold out.:D
Never mind this latest issue has provided me with much amusement as well as annoyance.
Yes that is vey interesting and tells us how close their links were.

roughbeast 04-08-2011 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35283173)
The Guardian has a news section.?:D

You should perhaps read it some time. You actually get news in the news section and opinion in the opinion section, not hopelessly mixed up as in most 'newspapers'.

chris9991 04-08-2011 21:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35283174)
I wish I could have found the last issue but for some reason it was sold out.:D
It was a good issue - you could try http://www.private-eye.co.uk/

It might not have been sold out - could have been never stocked possibly

denphone 07-08-2011 09:11
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Andy Coulson vetted by investigator linked to News International.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-2333257.html

Maggy 07-08-2011 09:29
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Quote:
Andy Coulson was cleared for work at No 10 Downing Street last year after an investigator who had also done work for News International (NI) carried out his vetting, the IoS can reveal.
Mr Coulson, David Cameron's media chief, who resigned in January as the phone-hacking scandal developed, was scrutinised by an experienced investigator with strong links to both the Security Services and to the newspaper group that owned the News of the World, which Mr Coulson had previously edited.
Come on Den you are supposed to provide some juicy bits..;)

denphone 07-08-2011 09:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35284156)
Come on Den you are supposed to provide some juicy bits..;)
You ladies love a bit of gossip.:D;):D





Well here.s a couple of bits of information but l would not call them juicy bits though.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ing-probe.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...propriate.html

Maggy 07-08-2011 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35284160)
You ladies love a bit of gossip.:D;):D





Well here.s a couple of bits of information but l would not call them juicy bits though.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ing-probe.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...propriate.html
That last one was certainly interesting.

Quote:
Elisabeth Murdoch, the 42-year-old daughter of Rupert Murdoch, will not be joining the board of her father's News Corporation conglomerate as expected, the company has said.

denphone 07-08-2011 18:35
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And this is interesting for you Maggy as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/gree...g-daily-mirror

Maggy 07-08-2011 19:12
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Already read about him somewhere else.Personally I think that if we could find the right people and the leverage we would find that it probably went further back than the 90s.

denphone 07-08-2011 19:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35284477)
Already read about him somewhere else.Personally I think that if we could find the right people and the leverage we would find that it probably went further back than the 90s.
Yes l suspect you are right and the question is once we have had these inquirys and possible criminal convictions will the hacking still continue secretly by unscrupulous journalists and some newspaper proprietors.

denphone 10-08-2011 10:00
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Piers Morgan says Heather Mills hacked Paul McCartney's phone.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...eys-phone.html

denphone 10-08-2011 15:24
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Phone hacking: former News of the World news editor Greg Miskiw arrested.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-arrested.html


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