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Damien 07-11-2009 23:57

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34905768)
If that was a top 4 team they would be in a crisis with the managers job under pressure. City aren't a top 4 team.

No. But they think they are. Hughes managed to take the team mid-table last year, so they chucked even more money at it and now have had a (small) bad spell. I don't think his job is safe, they could chuck money at almost any manager. I don't think the new owners want to wait, they will get rid of Hughes if they can get a bigger name. Serves him right for getting cocky about a manager who actually has talent, Sir Alex Ferguson.

Unless they recover I predict another massive spending spree in Jan.

SB_07 08-11-2009 03:03

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ENGLAND football captain John Terry's dad is today sensationally caught on video selling deadly COCAINE.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news...ne-in-bar.html

Seems like a right old 'geezer'

TheDaddy 08-11-2009 08:09

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Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34905895)
Seems like a right old 'geezer'

So his mums a thief and his dads a drug dealer, perhaps their son doesn't give them enough pocket money to keep them out of trouble :mad:

Turkey Machine 08-11-2009 16:33

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Well done Northwich Victoria, managed a big scalp to a team more than 70 places above them in the league system!

Sox 08-11-2009 17:39

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Well done Northwich Victorious :)

SB_07 08-11-2009 19:03

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lol nice flying kick from Evans on Drogba.

Russ 08-11-2009 19:07

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Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34906188)
lol nice flying kick from Evans on Drogba.

let's face it, Drogba deserves every kick he ever gets from anyone.

No doubt SAF will still be sticking to his story that the squad is strong, we don't need to spend to replace Ronnie etc.

The man is losing his marbles and is too stubborn to admit we're weakened.

Perhaps in january bring in a proven and consistent striker, drop donkey back to an attacking midfield position (rather than sell him and be a man down for the CL - wait til the summer before offloading him) so we don't need to be relying on the old guard of Scoles and Giggs so much and look around for a more youthful keeper. VDS didn't so too badly but his successor needs to be found sooner rather than later.

Shadow Demon UK 08-11-2009 19:11

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The standard of refereeing in this country has gone down hill big time, that match was proof if we ever needed it.

Damien 08-11-2009 20:11

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United did get conned. Wanted a draw personally. Chelsea winning was the worst result from a Arsenal perspective. Still 2nd with a game in hand is not to be sneezed at.

kingbuxton 08-11-2009 20:25

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Really struggling to beat Refs this season! Looked like Rooney refused to shake his hand at the end, good, sick of this shaking hands for the sake of it. The Ref was rubbish and it's about time something was done about them. Not like they were difficult decisions he got wrong.

The ECL is a joke because the Refs kill it, I lost interest in it years back, Prem is going the same way. You may as well roll a dice and just not play, cos your performance counts for nothing at times.

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The man is losing his marbles and is too stubborn to admit we're weakened.
To be fair on them, we outplayed Chelsea today, and bar incompetent officials would have taken three points.

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"(The five-point lead) was exactly what we wanted coming into the game, we've been working on it all week. That wasn't the best of games but I think overall we deserved it."
John Terry, bad looser, worse winner.

Russell Winder 08-11-2009 22:38

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The Terry family: mum shoplifting (is the court injunction still on? -no reporting) and dad cocaine dealing. What the hell...

Matty_ 08-11-2009 22:44

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I think the Utd-Chelsea game could have gone either way. As usual when these 2 meet it is a battle of the defences and i thought both teams held there shape and defended exceptionally well as a team (maybe Mark Hughes needs to try this).
The goalies didn`t really have to make any saves that where not standard, as most of the shooting was done from 25yards plus.
It looked to me that Chelsea where doing to Man U exactly what Man U have been doing to Barcelona recently, that is letting them have the ball up to a certain point and then closing down the space. Then try and get a goal on the break or from a set play.
Even though there wasn`t that much goal mouth action it was a good showing of the reason these 2 teams are a class above everyone else, with Arsenal closing in fast.
City get a must try harder and blinkingwell concentrate when the opponents have the ball :rolleyes:

Niles Crane 08-11-2009 23:29

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906190)
let's face it, Drogba deserves every kick he ever gets from anyone.

Not really.

I get the feeling if Drogba, or any other dirty foreigner had made such a "tackle" on a British player, let alone English (God forbid), he'd be castigated. The fact Drogba got booked says it all.

While i'm on the subject, where's the outcry regarding Darren Bent's blatant dive and attempt to get Gomes sent off yesterday?

Russ 08-11-2009 23:32

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Is Bent known for cheating and being one of the most prolific divers in the premiership?

Matty_ 08-11-2009 23:36

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The crazy thing with the Bent incident was he had a stonewaller in the first half and didn`t get it, then he falls over like a big jessy to earn a pen, only to subsequently miss it!

You couldn`t make it up ;)

Niles Crane 08-11-2009 23:36

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906398)
Is Bent known for cheating and being one of the most prolific divers in the premiership?

No.

Was Eduardo? No.

What Drogba is or isn't doesn't come in to it, and as far as i'm aware he's never kung fu kicked anybody in the chest.

Damien 08-11-2009 23:51

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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34906403)
No.

Was Eduardo? No.

What Drogba is or isn't doesn't come in to it, and as far as i'm aware he's never kung fu kicked anybody in the chest.

It is true foreign players are accused of cheating more than English ones. The treatment Eduardo got was a joke!

Russ 08-11-2009 23:55

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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34906403)
What Drogba is or isn't doesn't come in to it, and as far as i'm aware he's never kung fu kicked anybody in the chest.

And the person who did that is long since out of the game. The rest of us still have to put up with the Drogba Dive.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 00:14

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906421)
And the person who did that is long since out of the game. The rest of us still have to put up with the Drogba Dive.

I watch beach football from time to time, so i still have to put up with him, his protege Jonny Evans and Drogba.

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Interestingly, a similar big match in France today had Lyon and Marseille play out a 5-5 thriller. It's a pity Chelsea and Man United wasn't remotely similar.

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 00:20

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I think the Utd-Chelsea game could have gone either way.
Thing is, in these games, you need a break and we aren't getting any, this just joins onto the 1st 20mins at Liverpool. Refs are turning a blind eye to clear issues. They have to have an opinion on Fergusons comments after the Sunderland game, I just hope this isn't where this is heading.

Alan Green on 5Live was even saying the Ref was wrong on a few big decisions, and if he is saying it you have to take notice. Any positive words for UTD, from him, makes his lips bleed as they pass by.

Like I said, you prepare, you train, you play really well, and the Officials spoil it by not doing their job.

I would suggest they change Off-Side back to Off-Side, cos they haven't got a clue how to interpret the current rule.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 03:31

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cYT0i0Pstc

Seriously, there is no excuse for this, it's absolutely disgraceful.

Russ 09-11-2009 05:36

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"you can't always tell with Drogba" - yep ain't that the truth.

TheDaddy 09-11-2009 06:34

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906222)
To be fair on them, we outplayed Chelsea today, and bar incompetent officials would have taken three points.

Meh these things even themselves out over the course of a season, besides it didn't seem to hurt Arsenal when they outplayed Utd and came away with nothing earlier in the season.

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906190)
The man is losing his marbles and is too stubborn to admit we're weakened.

Perhaps there is no cash avaliable?

adzii_nufc 09-11-2009 07:46

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34906419)
It is true foreign players are accused of cheating more than English ones. The treatment Eduardo got was a joke!

What do you mean a joke? That he was rightly accused for diving?

Come On Eduardo Fell before the keeper even touched him.. Anyone could see that On a Ipod nevermind a Huge Flatscreen!

The FACT is he got away with it in the end which is Disgraceful because he quite clearly Jumped a shadow and claimed he was Flicked? would we say that Flicked? On the shin which sent him tumbling at his speed Over the Keeper to recieve a penalty

And to answer your questions.. Yes Foreign Players are.. Because Most of them are big names.. Ronaldo (x2) Kaka, Robinho, Drogba and Eduardo..

They are all Big Footballing Internations Wheras Darren Bent.. Barely makes the Sun..

As for the Ninja Kick on Drogba.. What a Disgrace.. If A Referee cant spot it.. Why is he on the pitch?

As for the Odd.. We Outplayed Chelsea... Nah If you Outplayed Chelsea you wouldnt have lost 1-0?

We were the better team.. Like i said.. If your the better team.. Put up or shut up.. Manchester United Have Looked Less Convincing this season than a half cooked Christmas Turkey!

This comes from A Neutral perspective :)

Newcastle United

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 11:27

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As for the Odd.. We Outplayed Chelsea... Nah If you Outplayed Chelsea you wouldnt have lost 1-0?
Yeah, that makes sense, cos the better team never looses a game of football. Scunthorpe comes to mind.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/footba...rticle/209630/

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After United had been the better side for 75 minutes, Darren Fletcher was harshly penalised for a foul and Chelsea scored from the resulting free-kick.
Email him and set him straight. Oh, and we were also the better side last 15mins.

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Manchester United Have Looked Less Convincing this season than a half cooked Christmas Turkey!
Despite the fact, had we got the three we deserved, we would have gone top! Well thought out post that one.

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Put up or shut up
Going for our fourth Prem on the trot, not sure we have anything to prove to anyone.

Peter_ 09-11-2009 11:36

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906547)
Despite the fact, had we got the three we deserved, we would have gone top! Well thought out post that one.

United were beaten by one goal in a match were only one goal was actually scored and because they were beaten by this one goal in match that they did not actually score in you seem to think that your team actually deserved the 3 points.:confused::confused::confused::confused:

That is the kind of logic only a United fan can come up with.

WE WUZ ROBBED COZ WE DID NOT SCORE IN MATCH THAT WE SHUDDA WON BY THE TEAM THAT ACTUALLY SCORED THE ONLY GOAL.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Damien 09-11-2009 12:00

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It's true that if United were that much better then they would have scored. United didn't dominate the game they simply played better. They probably deserved a draw. Not a win.

As mentioned above Arsenal outplayed United at Old Trafford but lost. It's hard to take but it's probably better knowing you played well than capitulating. The hardest loss I have had, as an Arsenal fan, was the Champions League semi-final because we just got done over.

(Losing the FA Cup to Liverpool despite being the much better side that day was pretty awful as well though)/

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 12:56

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That is the kind of logic only a United fan can come up with.
Not really, just a bit of common sense. I think we have all seen games where you have played well enough to take it, and don't. But then, when you take what I said, and quote it minus the question, it looks good. Taking comments out of context for effect. It's the kind of logic I expect from non UTD fans. Psssssst Kuszczak hates Van Der Sar.

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As mentioned above Arsenal outplayed United at Old Trafford but lost.
WRONG! Are you not reading what everyone is saying, I said at the time Arsenal deserved three from that game, you were the better team, and you got mugged, just like us yesterday. Apparently that is UTD logic, and so, you lost, you didn't deserve anything from it! All that effort and planning, tough, we scored and you didn't :rolleyes: Put up or shut up.

sherer 09-11-2009 13:09

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has anyone ever in there life ever seen anyone who gets kicked on the chest react like Drogba did with shaking his legs up and down like that ? Is that even a proper medical reaction ?

When did footballs start to scream in pain even though shin pads are better than ever ?

How come a keeper can race after the ball pick it up and then go down needing "treatment"

How do the sports or rugby and boxing exist if people can't even fall over on grass without getting injured

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 13:40

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Has anyone ever in there life ever seen anyone who gets kicked on the chest react like Drogba did with shaking his legs up and down like tha
He's a Clown of the highest order, it was a garbage challenge, and I bet it hurt a bit, and I mean a bit. I thought he was having a Seizure at first, maybe he had smashed his head into the floor. It was pretty childish, would have been better if he got up and faced Evan off, show the lad who is boss. He looked like the "Dying Fly" dance they do in Animal House.

With modern Footballers you will notice, with any serious injury, they tend not to move, which makes sense, why aggravate something. So the more they writhe in agony, for the most part, the more they are trying to en-flame the situation and get the Ref reaching to his pocket.

Damien 09-11-2009 13:43

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906604)
WRONG! Are you not reading what everyone is saying, I said at the time Arsenal deserved three from that game, you were the better team, and you got mugged, just like us yesterday. Apparently that is UTD logic, and so, you lost, you didn't deserve anything from it! All that effort and planning, tough, we scored and you didn't :rolleyes: Put up or shut up.

I did 'put up'. That's what I am saying. You lose games you play well in but it's even harder to say United deserved to win but got mugged by the ref when you didn't score. Arsenal were not mugged by the ref, we let in two stupid goals. So although we played better we lost. It's football.

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 14:40

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It was irony

adzii_nufc 09-11-2009 17:08

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If you played well enough to take it.. but didnt.. How can you simply sit and say it? You Couldnt have played Well enough?!

You Lost To Your Rivals 1-0

Your Team Pulled a Shocker In Last Years Champions League Final

A team that Challenges For the Title Does not Scrape Through Matches With Results Like Manchester have been Pulling in this season.. 2 main Rivals have already turned you over Never to Mention the Burnley Score! Then Drawing at OT against Sunderland.. You can say you have a bad game.. But thats more than a few no?

Manchester United are slowly Slipping again... The Players just have Nothing to Bring... Owen? Yeah Sheer Brilliance that Transfer.. Berbatov? Well How do I sum it up... Why didnt you Just Buy a rock Dress it in a Man U shirt and Stick it in an Offside Position..

Your Best Player Done Off to Real..

And before this gets out of hand.. It's friiendly Banter Not Ima Stab you for dissing man Utd banter :P

Damien 09-11-2009 17:17

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 34906759)
A team that Challenges For the Title Does not Scrape Through Matches With Results Like Manchester have been Pulling in this season.. 2 main Rivals have already turned you over Never to Mention the Burnley Score!

Liverpool are not really main rivals anymore are they? Think we can consider them out of the title race

adzii_nufc 09-11-2009 17:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34906768)
Liverpool are not really main rivals anymore are they? Think we can consider them out of the title race

We Consider Liverpool As... Just Liverpool lol nothing more

Russ 09-11-2009 17:40

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 34906759)
If you played well enough to take it.. but didnt.. How can you simply sit and say it? You Couldnt have played Well enough?!

You Lost To Your Rivals 1-0

Your Team Pulled a Shocker In Last Years Champions League Final

A team that Challenges For the Title Does not Scrape Through Matches With Results Like Manchester have been Pulling in this season.. 2 main Rivals have already turned you over Never to Mention the Burnley Score! Then Drawing at OT against Sunderland.. You can say you have a bad game.. But thats more than a few no?

Manchester United are slowly Slipping again... The Players just have Nothing to Bring... Owen? Yeah Sheer Brilliance that Transfer.. Berbatov? Well How do I sum it up... Why didnt you Just Buy a rock Dress it in a Man U shirt and Stick it in an Offside Position..

Your Best Player Done Off to Real..

And before this gets out of hand.. It's friiendly Banter Not Ima Stab you for dissing man Utd banter :P

Seriously keep it up, you have me in stitches.

Ever notice United don't usually hit their stride until around Christmas?

Damien 09-11-2009 17:44

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The Max points in the Premier League would be 114.

Last year United won 90. Dropping 24 points in total.
Liverpool won 86. Dropping 28 points.

As of 11 games this season Liverpool have won 18 points out of a possible 33. Dropping 15 points. So they are not out of it but it's looking unlikely.

United have 25 points out of a possible 36. Dropping 11. So are very much still in it. Although Liverpool have already dropped more than half the points than they did last year and united are getting close after only 1/4 of the games played. So both need to have substantially better spells to come. Although the title will probably be won with fewer points this year as all the big teams are dropping points although not as drastically as it looked like they might 5/6 games ago.

My money is on what I predicted a few months ago:

1. Chelsea
2. Arsenal
3. Man United
4. Liverpool

Shadow Demon UK 09-11-2009 18:47

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906782)
Seriously keep it up, you have me in stitches.

Ever notice United don't usually hit their stride until around Christmas?

You're hardly one to talk Russ, you post pretty much exactly the same stuff everytime United have a poor result.

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 18:49

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If you played well enough to take it.. but didnt.. How can you simply sit and say it?
It's easy, I can explain how this works again, for anyone that doesn't get it.

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2 main Rivals have already turned you over
Did you watch the Chelsea game? They turned us over? No point even trying to argue if that's what you think/saw. Your pretty much the only person thinks they did.

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Manchester United are slowly Slipping again
Again? When did we slip last time?

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Owen? Yeah Sheer Brilliance that Transfer
Classic, cost us nothing, is scoring, staying fit and you are still paying him wages.

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It's friiendly Banter Not Ima Stab you for dissing man Utd banter
Really, could have fooled me.

Peter_ 09-11-2009 18:53

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906839)
It's easy, I can explain how this works again, for anyone that doesn't get it.

.

That you lost to the only team to score in the match, how does that work if you fail to score more than the other team then the rules specify that you have lost the match, nothing to explain it is clear cut the other side won.

Russ 09-11-2009 18:55

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34906836)
You're hardly one to talk Russ, you post pretty much exactly the same stuff everytime United have a poor result.

My rants are usually about donkey's inefficiencies and SAF's reluctance to find a decent replacement for Ronnie.

yesman 09-11-2009 18:58

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34906787)
1. Chelsea
2. Arsenal
3. Man United
4. Liverpool

Mine are as follows;

1. Man Utd
2. Chelsea
3. Spurs
4. Arsenal

:)

Damien 09-11-2009 19:07

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Don't see Spurs finishing 3rd. Also I don't see Arsenal dropping any further than 3rd. Liverpool are having a bad run but will recover.

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 19:11

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That you lost to the only team to score in the match, how does that work if you fail to score more than the other team then the rules specify that you have lost the match
We aren't discussing the Physics of 1 is bigger than 0 - but that if you loose, you can't have deserved to win, that's absurd.

yesman 09-11-2009 19:14

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Ferguson sacked :shocked:

Peter_ 09-11-2009 19:39

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906860)
We aren't discussing the Physics of 1 is bigger than 0 - but that if you loose, you can't have deserved to win, that's absurd.

You seem to think that for some reason you should have actually won a match were you never scored, regardless of any other issue about how Chelsea managed to score their goal.

Unless you actually scored 2 goals then you had no chance of winning.

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 19:50

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You seem to think that for some reason you should have actually won a match were you never scored
I don't. I simply commented that we did enough to have deserved something from it, and had we done, would have gone top. It was in reply to someone saying we are a spent force that offer nothing. If that's what you took it to mean, then you misunderstood it.

I will have to remember this next time some sports pundit says a team deserved something from the game.

On an earlier post, it was mentioned that Barcelona battered us in the ECL, and so if we had grabbed a couple of late goals from contentious decisions, we would have scored more, would have deserved to win and Barcelona wouldn't? Maybe it is just me, I think you're wrong.

Peter_ 09-11-2009 19:53

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906882)
I don't. I simply commented that we did enough to have deserved something from it, and had we done, would have gone top. It was in reply to someone saying we are a spent force that offer nothing. If that's what you took it to mean, then you misunderstood it.

I will have to remember this next time some sports pundit says a team deserved something from the game.

On an earlier post, it was mentioned that Barcelona battered us in the ECL, and so if we had grabbed a couple of late goals from contentious decisions, we would have scored more, would have deserved to win and Barcelona wouldn't? Maybe it is just me, I think you're wrong.

I know every football fan always says we should have if only we had...............

But we know for fans that is the nature of the game and why so many people follow and love it.;)

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 20:40

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Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906645)
He's a Clown of the highest order, it was a garbage challenge, and I bet it hurt a bit, and I mean a bit. I thought he was having a Seizure at first, maybe he had smashed his head into the floor. It was pretty childish, would have been better if he got up and faced Evan off, show the lad who is boss. He looked like the "Dying Fly" dance they do in Animal House.

With modern Footballers you will notice, with any serious injury, they tend not to move, which makes sense, why aggravate something. So the more they writhe in agony, for the most part, the more they are trying to en-flame the situation and get the Ref reaching to his pocket.

Did the clown force the thug's right boot into his chest? Otherwise, why are you ranting about the clown instead of focusing on the real issue?

The obsession with diving and play acting in the English game is ridiculous. I'd rather have a clown in my team than a thug, any day.

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Peter_ 09-11-2009 20:51

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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34906908)
Did the clown force the thug's right boot into his chest? Otherwise, why are you ranting about the clown instead of focusing on the real issue?

The obsession with diving and play acting in the English game is ridiculous. I'd rather have a clown in my team than a thug, any day.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4055/fimage1.gif

Do you honestly think that someones foot hitting you in the chest with that kind of force would actually tickle, remove the blinkers it may be Drogba but that is still going to sting to put it mildly.

Russ 09-11-2009 20:53

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I see too much of a pause between studs-on-chest and Dogbreath's dramatic pose. The man knows how to dive.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 20:58

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906920)
I see too much of a pause between studs-on-chest and Dogbreath's dramatic pose. The man knows how to dive.

Dive? You don't need to dive when somebody's leg is flying in the air at you, especially when you're already in mid-air yourself.

Peter_ 09-11-2009 20:58

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906920)
I see too much of a pause between studs-on-chest and Dogbreath's dramatic pose. The man knows how to dive.

Not going by that video and we do all know he is a diver and of course will always end up looking like the boy who cried wolf.

I rather think anyone hit in that way would go down like a bag of do doo, but being him it cause automatic disbelief.

Russ 09-11-2009 21:00

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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34906922)
Dive? You don't need to dive when somebody's leg is flying in the air at you, especially when you're already in mid-air yourself.

Do you not see a pause between the contact and his dramatic pose?

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 21:06

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Originally Posted by Moldova (Post 34906923)
Not going by that video and we do all know he is a diver and of course will always end up looking like the boy who cried wolf.

I rather think anyone hit in that way would go down like a bag of do doo, but being him it cause automatic disbelief.

Indeed.

Drogba is a diver, a clown, whatever, we all know that. But that's irrelevant. This was a blatant, calculated attack by Evans. No player deserves that, even Drogba. And for all Drogba is i don't recall him ever making a violent or bad challenge like this on another player.

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906925)
Do you not see a pause between the contact and his dramatic pose?

Of course there's a slight pause, like any player's reaction. Watch it real time; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXpPZ1RsP3Y

Why is it Drogba this, Drogba that? Watch Evans instead of obsessing with Drogba's reaction. He's a disgrace.

The most disgusting thing about this is the distinct lack of reaction from the British press. Had this been the other way round, i'd bet my right arm this would top news for weeks on end. As it is, not only is Evans given a pass by the press, but the FA probably won't do anything either.

Peter_ 09-11-2009 21:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906925)
Do you not see a pause between the contact and his dramatic pose?

You do realise that it all happens in a split second and the first thing most people do is react as he did.

Being a wrestler you have been kicked in the chest and I expect it knocks you down.

I think for once he was genuine but will never been seen as such because of who is and his reputation for diving.

If the boot had hit him in the face would it still be seen as a dive or are you just viewing this as a disgruntled fan because you lost.

Russ 09-11-2009 21:09

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I've seen it in real time. Dogbreath's body doesn't react in the way I'd expect it would from a kick to the chest.

It's the boy who cried wolf thing. Maybe if he wasn't such a prolific cheater and diver the press would have more sympathy for him.

Peter_ 09-11-2009 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906933)
I've seen it in real time. Dogbreath's body doesn't react in the way I'd expect it would from a kick to the chest.

It's the boy who cried wolf thing. Maybe if he wasn't such a prolific cheater and diver the press would have more sympathy for him.

Even if it was a dive it was Evans fault for giving him the perfect opportunity to dive, but I still feel that this was the one time he did not dive.

The outcome is down to your own teams player with a ridiculously high challenge.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34906933)
I've seen it in real time. Dogbreath's body doesn't react in the way I'd expect it would from a kick to the chest.

It's the boy who cried wolf thing. Maybe if he wasn't such a prolific cheater and diver the press would have more sympathy for him.

How you think his body should react or not doesn't come in to it. He was blatantly kicked in the chest for no good reason, unless you're denying this, his reaction is entirely irrelevant!

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJ-YNZtEZ0

Just boy who cried wolf i guess.

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 21:33

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Quote:

it was a garbage challenge
I did! He should have got a Red for intent, is that better? As Russ is saying, he hardly touches him, the reaction is a disgrace.

I thought he was in genuine stress, that he had maybe hit his head on the floor, to be shaking about on the floor like he did was low and pathetic, hence he is a Clown.

---------- Post added at 20:33 ---------- Previous post was at 20:25 ----------

I will even go so far as to say, this IS why they should punish retrospect in Football, never mind if the Ref doesn't report it, nothing you can do. So if you Murder and don't get caught you deserve to get away with it?

And I had no issue with Drogba to that point, fine player, big diver, big deal, like it or loath it it's part of football. His reaction made me give a crap for his well being and it was fake, that is why I said he is a Clown, got no time for the bloke now.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 21:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906943)
I did! He should have got a Red for intent, is that better? As Russ is saying, he hardly touches him, the reaction is a disgrace.

I thought he was in genuine stress, that he had maybe hit his head on the floor, to be shaking about on the floor like he did was low and pathetic, hence he is a Clown.

Both men running at speed into mid-air at each other and he "hardly touches him"? That's literally impossible, and Russ hasn't said anything of the sort. Only you've made such a ridiculous assessment.

Either you have an incredible pain threshold compared to normal human beings, you haven't actually watched the incident or you're talking absolute nonsense.

Peter_ 09-11-2009 21:40

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If Evans never touched him then the is no way he would have span backwards unless he actually connected otherwise he would have continued forwards.

You can see the impact and him turning before any impact from Drogba as it was Evans own kick that causes his own spin.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 21:51

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On a much, much, much brighter note. Liverpool 1 - 2 Birmingham City, what a goal from Jerome!

LondonRoad 09-11-2009 22:02

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Not only did Evans touch Drogba, he straightened his leg to maximise the damage as contact was made.

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 22:14

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Quote:

That's literally impossible, and Russ hasn't said anything of the sort. Only you've made such a ridiculous assessment.
Quote:

I see too much of a pause between studs-on-chest and Dogbreath's dramatic pose. The man knows how to dive.
Quote:

Either you have an incredible pain threshold compared to normal human beings, you haven't actually watched the incident or you're talking absolute nonsense.
Well I watched the game (as I have already said) and saw your Gif. I did question if it was wise responding to a post from you, you can't seem to post without personal insults. Wont make this mistake again.

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If Evans never touched him then the is no way he would have span backwards
Not that he didn't touch him, that it isn't close to being as bad as he portrayed, he definitely makes contact, and there was more intent behind it. He questioned why I called him a Clown, if people don't think that type of behavior is low quality, so be it, I do.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 22:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kingbuxton (Post 34906975)
Well I watched the game (as I have already said) and saw your Gif. I did question if it was wise responding to a post from you, you can't seem to post without personal insults. Wont make this mistake again.



Not that he didn't touch him, that it isn't close to being as bad as he portrayed, he definitely makes contact, and there was more intent behind it. He questioned why I called him a Clown, if people don't think that type of behavior is low quality, so be it, I do.

That's very convenient.

I haven't made a single personal insult. Your assessment is ridiculous and you're possibly talking absolute nonsense. If you consider that personally insulting, i'm amazed you're a football fan and internet forum user. I'm also amazed you have the nerve to talk about insult when you've repeatedly called Drogba a clown.

Just because Drogba may have dived or exaggerated for effect doesn't mean Evans hardly touched him. To claim as such is exaggeration and deceit, ironically similar to the clown himself.

I didn't question why you called him a clown at all, i've specifically agreed he's a clown in fact. I've not implied anywhere that such behaviour isn't low quality either. Am i allowed to say what i think of your assessment of my posts to you?

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A clear dive by N'gog! Will he get the Eduardo treatment?

dev 09-11-2009 22:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34906993)
A clear dive by N'gog! Will he get the Eduardo treatment?

Yes he should, and imo the ref should be fined. What use is it to tell people to respect the referees when he doesn't spot something as obvious as that? Referees need some form of action taken against them so fans know that the FA is actually doing something to get them to sort themselves out.

Bulky 09-11-2009 22:51

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that was quite possibly the most blatant dive i have ever seen , thats saying something after watching Ronaldo all those years :)

Damien 09-11-2009 23:00

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Well they were lucky with the penalty saved a point. Still dropped two more though, at home, to Birmingham.

SB_07 09-11-2009 23:09

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11 points off the top already, must suck to be a Liverpool fan.

LondonRoad 09-11-2009 23:09

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William Hills are offering even money that N'gog will win Olympic diving Gold for France at the London Olympics. ;)

kingbuxton 09-11-2009 23:15

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Quote:

Did the clown force the thug's right boot into his chest? Otherwise, why are you ranting about the clown instead of focusing on the real issue?
Because YOU are discussing the foul, not me. My Clown comment was based on him faking a seizure on the floor, you are questioning me calling him a Clown in the way you phrased it. I passed judgment on the foul calling it Garbage, my comment was based on his reaction, not the challenge. Why join in on the foul? You all have it in hand, not much point in me saying "I Agree".

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Only you've made such a ridiculous assessment.
Quote:

Either you have an incredible pain threshold compared to normal human beings, you haven't actually watched the incident or you're talking absolute nonsense.
Quote:

To claim as such is exaggeration and deceit
And I am now deceitful for thinking that faking a seizure on a pitch is low grade.

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Am i allowed to say what i think of your assessment of my posts to you?
Course you are, and I can have an opinion on a challenge, it didn't hurt him to the extent he portrayed, he's a grown man, and his reaction proved it. To be in the amount of pain that rendered that reaction, he would have had serious damage, not up and tunning 2 mins later.

Quote:

Your assessment is ridiculous and you're possibly talking absolute nonsense. If you consider that personally insulting, i'm amazed you're a football fan and internet forum user. I'm also amazed you have the nerve to talk about insult when you've repeatedly called Drogba a clown.
You don't see that as a slightly confrontational response? Perhaps, if people post things you don't agree with, you should ask why they think that, not take it as some personal challenge against your Opinion.

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That's very convenient.
What is? That I don't care for the way you word some of your posts? Every time we cross words it ends up like this, so it's either me or you, this doesn't happen with me and anyone else, however, I can't vouch as to does this happen with you and other users.

Maybe we should steer clear from now on.

Niles Crane 09-11-2009 23:40

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Quote:

Because YOU are discussing the foul, not me. My Clown comment was based on him faking a seizure on the floor, you are questioning me calling him a Clown in the way you phrased it. I passed judgment on the foul calling it Garbage, my comment was based on his reaction, not the challenge. Why join in on the foul? You all have it in hand, not much point in me saying "I Agree".
I phrased it to question why you seemed more irked by the reaction to the hack than the hack and hadn't condemned your own player with equal enthusiasm.

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And I am now deceitful for thinking that faking a seizure on a pitch is low grade.
Faking a seizure doesn't mean Evans hardly touched him or that the only foul made was merely intent. That's one extreme to the other.

Quote:

it didn't hurt him to the extent he portrayed, he's a grown man, and his reaction proved it. To be in the amount of pain that rendered that reaction, he would have had serious damage, not up and tunning 2 mins later.
I agree. And the challenge from Evans was still absurd and totally uncalled for.

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You don't see that as a slightly confrontational response? Perhaps, if people post things you don't agree with, you should ask why they think that, not take it as some personal challenge against your Opinion.
Slightly confrontational, yes. Personally insulting, not even close.

It's not a challenge against my opinion, that i don't mind at all. It's a challenge against the laws of physics, hence my reaction of "ridiculous".

Quote:

What is? That I don't care for the way you word some of your posts? Every time we cross words it ends up like this, so it's either me or you, this doesn't happen with me and anyone else, however, I can't vouch as to does this happen with you and other users.

Maybe we should steer clear from now on.
As far as i'm aware, this is only the second occasion this bickering has ensued. There's no need to steer clear, there's no deliberate insulting etc going on, that's just the way it is and if you can't argue with Man United fans, then what's the point?

In all seriousness though, if you honestly take issue with my wording, then i'll gladly amend it.

Russ 12-11-2009 08:58

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Bye bye Nani

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-Ferguson.html

TheDaddy 12-11-2009 09:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34908396)
Bye bye Nani

Meh he'll have been mis-quoted, aren't they always

In an interview with Portuguese newspaper 'I'

Russ 12-11-2009 10:04

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34908412)
Meh he'll have been mis-quoted, aren't they always

In an interview with Portuguese newspaper 'I'

He's not been consistent and every United player to publicly criticise SAF has ended up booted out.

sherer 12-11-2009 10:37

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to be honest Nani has been consistent. He's never looked good enough for us in any game he has played.

He's one of those players who has a lot of skill on the ball and with no players on the pitch could dazzle you with skills and keepie uppies all day long. Put another team there and ask him to move, create space, give good passes and know how to use the ball and he has no clue what to do

Damien 12-11-2009 15:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BBC
Tottenham goalkeeper Carlo Cudicini is in hospital after being involved in a road accident

Hope he recovers soon.

punky 12-11-2009 15:48

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Its not too bad, but for a footballer, its not good.

Has a suspected broken pelvis. Given his age, its likely he might never play for us or any other big clubs again, even if his injuries are minor.

Apparently he crashed his motorbike. I thought they were banned for footballers.

Peter_ 12-11-2009 15:53

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34908598)
Its not too bad, but for a footballer, its not good.

Has a suspected broken pelvis. Given his age, its likely he might never play for us or any other big clubs again, even if his injuries are minor.

Apparently he crashed his motorbike. I thought they were banned for footballers.

It says this on the BBC
Quote:

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "A 36-year-old male suffered injuries described as possibly life-changing."
Does not sound good.

punky 12-11-2009 16:12

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I was just going off the my Spurs forum. Seems consistent though.

---------- Post added at 15:12 ---------- Previous post was at 15:06 ----------

Official site:

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news...ini121109.html

Quote:


Carlo Cudicini has fractured his wrists and injured his pelvis after being involved in a road accident this morning.

The 36-year-old Italian goalkeeper has been admitted to hospital and undergone scans under the supervision of club medical staff.

The Club will update supporters on Carlo as soon as there is any further information.

Damien 12-11-2009 16:19

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Good Luck to Him :(

Derek 12-11-2009 16:28

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Not a good week for goalies. :(

In other news Rangers and Celtic have been told they are staying in Scotland for the foreseeable future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8353937.stm

Niles Crane 12-11-2009 19:52

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Quote:

Chelsea striker Didier Drogba has made a £3 million donation from a sponsorship deal to help build a hospital in his homeland, the Ivory Coast.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-hospital.html
Don't you just hate this guy? What an ********! As well as this abominable act, he's even taken his diving to such a level, he's pulled out of Ivory Coast's WC qualifier with a chest "injury".

Bulky 12-11-2009 19:57

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34908749)
Don't you just hate this guy? What an ********! As well as this abominable act, he's even taken his diving to such a level, he's pulled out of Ivory Coast's WC qualifier with a chest "injury".

couldn't agree with you more , he probably can't be bothered to get on the aircraft and fancies some time off , nowt like a pulling a siccy to get out of international duty.

Niles Crane 12-11-2009 20:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bulkylad (Post 34908755)
couldn't agree with you more , he probably can't be bothered to get on the aircraft and fancies some time off , nowt like a pulling a siccy to get out of international duty.

I was being sarcastic. Of all players to pull out of representing their country for no good reason, Drogba wouldn't be one of them. He's a national hero and he knows it.

Bulky 12-11-2009 20:12

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34908765)
I was being sarcastic. Of all players to pull out of representing their country for no good reason, Drogba wouldn't be one of them. He's a national hero and he knows it.

so was i ;) :D

SB_07 12-11-2009 20:13

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Well done Drogba. Looks like he needs to use that hospital whenever he 'goes down'

TheDaddy 12-11-2009 21:43

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34908623)
In other news Rangers and Celtic have been told they are staying in Scotland for the foreseeable future.

Good, with a bit of luck scrapping promotion/relegation will have been kicked firmly into touch to, Rangers and Celtic has no business in the English top flight, they want in pay your dues and come up through the leagues like everyone else.

Speaking of Scots, he got of light imo

The Football Association handed the 67-year-old a four-game ban, with two of those suspended until the end of the 2010/11 season.
Ferguson has also been fined £20,000 and warned about his future conduct.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/8314326.stm

punky 12-11-2009 23:09

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Noone expected any real punishment, did they?

A touchline ban is meaningless. What with communication tools, being able to give half-time team talks, he can do his job as effectively as he could before. Quite often managers prefer to watch the game from the stands.

He should have got a UEFA-style ban which covers the whole stadium.

SB_07 14-11-2009 02:41

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Quote:

CARLOS TEVEZ last night stunned Manchester City by revealing he wants to retire from football.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...s-to-quit.html

http://fourfourtwo.com/news/southame...0/default.aspx

punky 14-11-2009 12:06

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Apparently Spurs have been linked with Rangers defender Danny Wilson. Is he any good?

Derek 14-11-2009 14:25

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34909379)
Apparently Spurs have been linked with Rangers defender Danny Wilson. Is he any good?

Not too bad. On the bright side you'll get him cheap seeing Rangers are so skint they would take flog every player they have for 20 quid and a bag of chips.

Matty_ 14-11-2009 15:25

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

CARLOS TEVEZ last night stunned Manchester City by revealing he wants to retire from football.
Here`s a wild idea Carlos, why don`t you learn English in your spare time?

You footballers have enough of it!

Argentina win the world cup :nono: My arse they`ll win it.

Russ 14-11-2009 18:34

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Hang on....Wales won?!

Derek 14-11-2009 18:47

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Just when you think Burley can't get any worse...

Russ 14-11-2009 18:52

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
To be honest I was hoping for a bit of a pasting, more pressure then for John 'Tosh' Toshack to resign.

Niles Crane 14-11-2009 19:11

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
More World Cup qualifiers:

New Zealand
Cameroon
Nigeria

Egypt vs Algeria is in progress, with Egypt leading 1-0 from a Zaki goal.

Nigeria surprisingly toppled Tunisia for qualification with a winner 7 minutes from time from Obafemi Martins against Kenya, while Tunisia also conceded the losing goal against Mozambique at the same time.

Derek 14-11-2009 19:52

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34909562)
To be honest I was hoping for a bit of a pasting, more pressure then for John 'Tosh' Toshack to resign.

You don't get rid of him till we get rid of Burley.

That was the first Scotland game I've turned off halfway through, completely embarrasing display from the Scots.

Russ 14-11-2009 19:57

Re: Football : Season 2009/2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34909626)
You don't get rid of him till we get rid of Burley.

I'm almost considering a "our manager is more rubbish than yours" debate :D


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