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No

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why to expensive?dont fancy a dish?

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No because it is theft and you already know the answer so why ask the question.:confused:

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I don't need a dish i have cable and i am happy to pay the full subscription not lower myself to gutter level and steal or pay for a grey market cs server that is as dodgy as a dodgy thing from the planet dodgy. DPI is coming ;)

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i believe there is a long running court case about this and it hasnt been settled yet,how is it theft if your paying sky itilia??

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i am not talking about carshareing i am talking about paying sky itilia and getting a legit card/box

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Dont worry i am not stalking you someone today just bummped the Have you received a letter from Davenport Lyons or ACS? and i was reading through it and you posted that on the 4th page..tut tut tut:rolleyes:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So are you saying that there is no clause in there contract when you sign up for the subscription that's says not to be used in country's not covered by there broadcast rights area and reselling the service outside of that area is forbidden.

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Yep i download my legal content from the newsgroups as i get a good connection. Plus i dont even use paid for servers now as i can use VM's servers for my updates. :)

There are lots of legal streaming sites now from itv vm, bbc, Sky, the list goes on.

Here's a demo for you

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...2010_Week_Two/

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yea theres a clause in the contract that is signed in ITALY lol its not even signed by you,why would you worry?

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<<Kymmy gets her eraser out for the off-topic posts!!!>>

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I think you will find that it is still illegal to view that in this country and any court case will be in favour of it staying illegal.

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well technically yes because that case is about showing it in a public house,but i am talking about private houses,for all football fans i am sure if they knew they were paying sky itilia they wouldnt have a problem with that particular setup here in the uk,what do you think about people who pay sky itilia their full subs and have this in their homes in the uk??

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I think you will find that EU free trade laws actually make this far from a cut and dry case. We're going to have to wait till next year until we can truly say if it's illegal or not, I wouldn't want to stick money on it being either way.

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Remember who owns SKY and the legal team that he will have into bat will be formidable and I think the government will want to ensure it goes his way due to the support his products give them.

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But it's a case referred to the EU high court, so it doesn't matter what the government wants. The EU is notoriously anti-monopoly, and market segregation in the satellite TV market is anti-EU, it goes completely against the four freedoms of the EU's free market, it really is a restriction of services, so I really wouldn't bet on them ruling in favour of Sky. But equally I wouldn't bet on them ruling against Sky, as the implications of eradicating the localisation of TV services is truly massive. It would require every single carriage contract to be rewrote for a start as exclusivity by area would simply not be possible any more.

One thing is for certain though, when the EU high court returns their answers it's going to be a hell of an interesting read.

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Dont really see anything you download being legal..Since most stuff is copyright protected and the content is digitally protected as well, i would be pretty sure that alot of the stuff you download is not legal from VM newsgroups. Even the stuff you download from the bbc iplayer, it is fine to view is it "30 days", then after that its deleted from your pc.. Why beacuse it does not belong to you..You do make me laugh...Enjoy your Ban by the way :)

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i relly dont think they are worried about DPI, since alot will use other providers, even Pay as you go internet. And there is always VPN..

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Most dodgy boxes are built using the same specs as the sub box. There will be no interference on the network, nothing that would effect other subcribers. Certainey i have never had my viewing disrupted by this! Yes bad cabling, people digging up streets might but those are the stupid people.

Same old story really. Why do people do it? Because they can is the simple answer. Why pay for a service if the service your getting is rubbish? Compared to sky Vm lack in the Hd offering. Always playing catch up.

Vm upgrade to Nagra 3 wasnt to do with ending cable piracy..More to do with the fact that the Nagra 1 contract was up..And out of plain courtsey they were allowed to carry on with it while they implemented nagra 3 and in fact the N1 caid is still present. Vm would have still carried on if they hadnt have been out of contract. But as they were forced to upgrade and the fact they wanted more HD channels from sky and were told bluntly to upgrade the encryption.

has it ended Cable Piracy, no.. People still can get TV without paying for subs. The only thing it has done is cause VM to spend more money on a battle they can never win..

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If you download stuff from the legal sites (such as iPlayer, iTunes store etc), it is still legal whether it is protected or not, and whether it expires or not.

TBH, I doubt you'd know if a dodgy box was affecting your connection unless you are able physically check every box connected to your part of the network. I suspect that most VM engineers would not be able to determine that 100% accurately either.

That said, if the dodgy box in question is a hacked VM box, then unless the hacker did something really stupid, it is unlikely to affect the network, but if the install was done badly (and a lot of of dodgy cable installs are), then that will affect the network.

People don't get dodgy Cable boxes because Sky is superior, or because VM is crap (which is debatable). If they did, Sky would not have similar problems with hacking. They don't even do it because they think VM is too expensive for what it offers. Think about that. Primark has invested heavily in security systems for their stores. Why? They sell cheap clothes. Clothes that in a lot of cases are worth considerably less than the system used to protect them and are so cheap that most people would not consider nicking them (Why go to prison for a £3 T shirt?). They do it because people *will* nick those £3 T shirts, and they *will* risk prison to get it, rather than spend £3.

People do it because they don't want to pay for what they recieve. Simple.

How do you know this? We have actual staff members (and I mean *verified* staff members) posting on here that VM are doing this to combat piracy.

VM will never stop piracy. No security system can ever entirely eliminate crime. That does not mean, however, that they can not limit the effects of piracy (and they are). As such that does not mean they should not try.

After all, how long did On Digital last when their encryption was thoroughly hacked?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Why is p2p tv downloads only a civil offence?

and owning an r4?

not condoning just asking

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as far as im corncerned then TBH it should be a criminal offence to own a mod chip for a wii/ds/ps3 and to download films and tv shows from p2p why is it not?

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http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2011/02/0...in-derbyshire/

I wasn't sure where to post this link originally posted by muppetman11 but I thought it was worth putting it somewhere that more members would be able to see/comment without taking the Coming Soon thread way off topic.

I do like to see good news being reported. Maybe those who paid money up front to participate in the theft of TV services will think twice about doing it again.

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Wasn't quite sure were to put it LOL :D

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Good news bears repeating. :)

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Card sharing is seriously stupid (relatively easy to stop at the source and traceable).

Is it only me which finds it annoying that VM/Telewest spent years exclaiming dodgy boxes are inflating the price for everybody else... yet now they've got around to doing something about the vast majority of boxes - oh, the price is still going up.

Makes me feel a little better about my position on dodgy boxes at the time which was that although I didn't condone it, I didn't find it offensive (unlike cloned modems which wreck someone else's connection).

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:clap:

:clap: :clap:

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Theft is theft, what ever way you look at it.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This is such good news :)

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Yep, hooray for Section 11 of the Fraud Act 2006 ... that inconvenient little law that the thieves and cloners either think doesn't exist or doesn't apply to them.

News just in: It does and it does.

:D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Virgin IMO wasnt bothered about dodgy boxes. They still got there basic subscription charges (where the money is), folk stole sky movies and sports (which virgin dont make money on anyway)

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Nice view down in the sand? ;)

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They were and you guessed it they still are as this proves. :)

The servers are the weak link and are so easy to trace.

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They are now that sky threatened them with the removal of sky sports but i dont think they were. Any plans to sort out the dodgy modems?

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Dodgy modems are dead in the water. There are hardly any of them on the network now. Look at the sites where the modders live and you will see they have all but given up on them because of the new network and its security.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Yep, the migration to DOCSIS 3.0 and presumably the introduction of SEC as a follow on to BPI+

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Indeed but whilst I didn't agree with cable-TV theft, at least it didn't physically degrade a paying customer's service. Cloned modem users go down in the same category as BNP supporters for me; they were either ignorant or selfish and otherwise abhorrent.

What shocked me was how blasé ntl:, Telewest and VM were about it for ages really. Nagra2 was cracked early on in the last decade, it took until the end of that decade for VM to actually rectify the issue.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

VM never used nagra 2 it was nagra 1

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To be fair I'm guessing part of the issue were the multiple billing and provisioning systems used by all the ex-companies

Trying to manage a whole subscriber swap of of cards would have been a nightmare!

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Well ntl and Telewest were completely separate until 2006ish, and they remained operationally separate until 2007. I'm sure independently them they could have done it before merging - Sky have changed cards a handful of times without too many problems.

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But then ntl still had 3 different billing systems at the time of the merger (not sure how many different provisioning systems were in place) and Telewest had only just finished moving theirs across to one system

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Ah true, gawd forgot about that - and how ex-C&W had different STBs etc.

NTL were a funny bunch weren't they?

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I have to disgree. Why, oh, why did Virgin Media EVER have a TV M which is FREE and allow these thieves to prosper and also fail to physically disconnect people who had left?

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It was only free (I prefer the term included) when they took a phone line and broadband...

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what were you saying:D

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About what exactly, I see some of your friends have been found and prosecuted though great news.:D

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im not talking about that..if you read back you stated that it was illegal to view foreign sats in the uk and ofcourse we have that ruling from the Advocate General of the ECJ...i only came into this thread because someone recently posted.

ohh im not worried about starviews or kryptviews..im a dreambox(s) type of guy;)

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he he he :D

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Where did I say that.

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post 909

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that case is far from over though.

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:clap: :clap:

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You can continue to dream it seems.:D

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As a point of fact, it wasn't a ruling, it was an opinion offered to the judges by a senior lawyer. The judges do often accept these opinions and rule the same way, but it's not over yet.

That aside, you should pay close attention to the progress of the court case Johnnymeg has linked to. It doesn't matter how you steal your cable services, all the boxes are as illegal as each other and when they catch you, you will wind up in front of the beak facing a large fine or up to 5 years in jail.

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Excellent news indeed

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And another one http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/loc..._25m_1_2391258

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We're on a roll !

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/06/1.gif

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I am sure we all want that senior lawyers opinion addopted by the judges in 3 or so months time..more competition prices drop dont we??

as for those guys behind the starview franchise they are big boys and justice will ofcourse take its course no doubt,although for anyone stealing cable or satellite by purchasing one of those boxes will hardly get nearly 5 years in jail infact show me a case were anyone individualy stealing cable or satellite has got time??infact show me a case were anyone has got done for having chipped boxes in their homes!!infact this link posted by Ben http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/loc..._25m_1_2391258

this guy got done for causeing virgin £1.25m got an 18 month sentence SUSPENDED ...maybe it all isnt really serious in the grand scheme of things ehh??

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It's not over until the fat lady sings:

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Yes, I think most people would. I'd be happy to see Sky's institutionalized monopoly broken up. I'm simply pointing out the difference between legal advice and a court judgement. Here's hoping the judges in this case take that advice.

You know what - I can't point to a case involving an individual with a single box. Doesn't mean to say it doesn't happen though. Actually I think it's unlikely that an individual brought to court would go to jail unless they were a repeat offender. More likely they would get a fine. But they would still have a criminal record for fraud, which is unlikely to be helpful for any future job they might apply for.

The police and VM are always more likely to go after the big boys. As with drugs busts, if you take out the dealers you take out more of the problem in one go than you would by taking out the individual junkies on the street corners. But the individuals on the street corners are still law-breaking junkies. And junkies do still get done for possession when the boys in blue find them.

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well the boys in blue never arrested 1 single person for having a chipped box in their house(never seen 1 link over the years)...and even if you were to show me a link or 2 i would imagine the customers of virgin media that got done was miniscule..but enough about all that its in the past..as i said i only posted on this thread because someone else bumped it and i was reading back about the Karen Murphy case and a few senior members were acting flippantly and basically calling karen and people like Karen the devil incarnate.

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You would just be blacklisted from getting services from any ISP.:D:D:D

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well lets hope access to isp's becomes a human right:D:D i love europe:p:

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Unlikely to ever happen.:D

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funny you say that....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8548190.stm

(old story i know but i thought it was intreasting concidering your comment)

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Virginmedia is a private company and they would use your credit history to stop you or other means to blacklist you.;)

Plus access can be via a cyber cafe so no real issue.

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How exactly are VM (or any other ISP) going to blacklist anyone for having a conviction for fraudulent reception of broadcasts?
Last time I signed up with VM they didn't do a CRB check.

There is no blacklist, and never will be a blacklist, so don't make out like there is. It's frankly ridiculous. Even if you have convictions under the computer misuse act and are banned from going near a pc or connecting to the internet there is still NOTHING to stop you signing up with an ISP. Sure you'd be breaching the terms of your sentence, but there are no actual preventative measures in place and enforcement is down to probation workers carrying out checks.

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You did read the credit part of my post, they can have you blacklisted for credit alone and f you fail the credit check.................

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Indeed, Looks like some one might have to sell his granny after the judge has finished with him. :clap:.

So the starview servers are down and out :tu:, Lets hope the Kryptview server is blocked next :)

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Given that virtually no ISP does a credit check as nearly all of them take payments in advance it's a non-issue.

Virgin can't 'blacklist' the credit of people who don't have credit agreements with them, even if people do so long as they are paying their subscription on time it's a non-issue.

Virgin would be sued senseless if they started messing with people's credit records for any reason other than failing to pay them subscriptions due in a timely fashion.

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Yes. I also read this post of yours:

Which was in direct response to someone about people not being charged for the use of chipped boxes.

Where is the reference to credit in there? And what does a credit check have to do with this thread anyway. It's entirely irrelevant and off topic.

Whoopee people get denied services for failing credit checks, go post about it in a billing thread rather than posting rubbish about blacklists in this one implying there's some global "no internet for you" blacklist that all ISPs sign up for (and why an ISP would care about you stealing TV, I don't know).

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For some reason Virgin do do a credit search on all applicants, however unless you actually owe them (or one of the previous incarnations) money, they'll generally just put a Credit Limit on or ask for a deposit

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yes also lets hope the method of cardsharing through cable isnt leaked by the starview and kv guys or anyone else,thats all vm needs:( joe blogs setting up private cardshares up and down the country all over the place:td:

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And then you will start to see 'Joe Bloggs' taken to court. Also I doubt many would have a clue how to set one up.

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Personally I'd be astonished if there already aren't a handful of private cardshare rings already about. The principals, methods and requirements involved are not exactly state secrets.

In reality though the overwhelming majority of people would either find it too much trouble to learn or lack the technical skill to either setup a server or configure a client. You only have to browse certain 'other forums' to see that the majority simply need a plug and play solution.

When the N3-as it's generally known by-encryption method was rolled out from late 2009, I'd be interested to know what percentage of people using a pirate box then, (and lets face it, they were virtually just plug it into the cable and away you go) moved over to a card-sharing solution? 'What-I have to connect it to a router? 'I have to flash new firmware', What's a null-modem cable?'

I'm going to bet quite a small proportion.

The weak-point of cable card-sharing is that unlike satellite, you need to have something physically attached to the VM cable network, which potentialy makes it vulnerable to detection. Find it and remove it and the whole lot comes crashing down, as a number of Starview owners have recently discovered. Admittedly being detected is unlikely but is it really worth the risk, just to share with a couple of mates?

It may only be a short-term thing anyway, switched digital video (whenever VM start to roll it out) would probably render all of these card-sharing schemes useless or at least very hit-and-miss.

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Probably because as a double/triple-play you have the ability to run up a negative balance with them (on phone calls, pay per view etc). And even if you take BB only, I'd suspect it's a limitation of the billing system used that a check is required (in case you move to double/triple further down the line)

If you went to a pure ISP only such as BE and paid in advance, you wouldn't have this ability and therefore wouldn't need to be credit checked.

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What you say makes perfect sense, there is an element of credit offered other than with broadband.

But If they didn't do some sort of a credit check how on earth would they know it wasn't a kid ordering it?

In fact it could be a completely bogus person intent on committing fraud, literally Joe Bloggs!

Surely there is some legal requirement by ISP's to verify identity? I would like to think so.

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Plenty of other ways to find out who someone is without resorting to looking at credit history.

2 forms ID / proof of address being one. That's good enough to get you a bank account with credit facilities in the first place.

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Do VM do that though, it's all done online or over the phone isn't it?

Gladly I never provided anything like that, I wouldn't have either.

In fact I haven't provided paper ID for credit for years.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I believe they don't, but its all hypothetical, not really stemmed from the original discussion.

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Except the bank also run a credit check against the agencies when you open an account and/or apply for credit

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Of course, as do VM I have seen the credit search on my file (and payment history)

I assume that's how they verified my identity which is fine.

What I meant though is I would fully expect them and all ISP's to verify all applicants details as it could be a kid or an alias otherwise.

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This is going rather Off Topic now btw ;)

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Was a while back mod I just added to your offtopicness!

BenMcr - For some reason Virgin do do a credit search on all applicants, however unless you actually owe them (or one of the previous incarnations) money, they'll generally just put a Credit Limit on or ask for a deposit

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Oh come on you really think the spoon fed noobs will be able to do that :LOL:

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The problem isn't them, it's the guy they know who'll set it all up for them.

One of the people in my street knows how to set up cardsharing for satellite, and as such there's a big group of houses at the top that all have nice big dishes pointed towards a certain satellite. I doubt most of them have a clue how it works or how to get it running, but they don't need to, it works and it's up and running.

You don't need to know how to set it up to use it, you just need to know someone who knows how to set it up, which every man and his dog seems to these days.

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You'd be surprised who performs checks on you using credit reference agencies. It's another way of checking your identity against the electoral roll* for one thing. If you have access to your credit report and, for example, you use a comparison website to get multiple quotes for car insurance, each of the insurance companies who provide a quote will show up as having looked you up with the credit reference agency, even if you were not going ahead with their quote or you were intending to pay up front in full. They are verifying your address and using statistical data, among other things, to decide your premium.

*No need to reply with "I choose to be disenfranchised, I don't register to vote, so there!" as the electoral roll is just one of many sources of information used by these agencies.

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Personally I am a firm believer in the "no demand, no supply" policy. If you stringently prosecute a few end users of these "services" and impose large fines, custodial sentences (suspended or immediate) and long-term restrictions on them it should put others off risking it. Obviously, such prosecutions may cost a lot and may not guarantee a conviction but a few high-profile, well publicised cases would be enough to stem the demand.

I think even the US Government are realising that, where the drug trade is concerned, they have to attack the demand problem at home as much as the supply problem abroad. In the case of cocaine, you are not trying to make examples out of the "street corner junky" but high-end users in the media, finance and law industries who have a lot to lose if they are prosecuted.

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:clap: :clap:

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All i want to see now is a report that the KV server has joined the Starpoo server ;)

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indeed :D

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definite overblown sentences imo 2 guys serving 6 years each for selling modified boxes when some manslaughter sentences are the same. The law really is an ass in this country

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This is fraud on a massive scale. The manslaughter comment is irrelavent to this case and is a seperate argument IMO.

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Well it come into my head so obvious its not irrelevent to me also the fact I am not VMs greatest supporter but the sentence of 6 years seems a bit harsh. The 18 months sentence sounds about right to me

You are right of course the British judical system is another arguement but the sentences were impossed by judges following it so I am surely allowed my comment on an imbalance.

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You know magistrates can sentence upto 7 years for even petty theft, right? ;)

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just highlights and extends my point

I would never accept trial in a magistrates court if the results could end in bird

edit thinking about it if I was bang to rights I prolly would

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Wrong. A magistrate's sentencing power is limited to six months. He (she) can, however, refer the sentencing to the crown court if he believes the crime warrants more jail time than that.

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All i want to say on this subject that it seems to have become is that all murders ( manslaughter included ), ID theft Should all get life as they have stolen a life so theirs should be taken. All the other crimes should get about 14 years max as the first that i have mentioned have happened to me, my friends and family.

Rant over?

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The problem is that it's easy to defend fraud against large companies by saying they can afford it, after all, Virgin is a multi billion pound company, £175,000 is nothing to them.

However, they will attempt to recoup that cost, and one way they will do that is by making people redundant. So, all of a sudden, this "victimless" crime has very real victims. The staff who lose their jobs. Staff who are possibly in a position where they can't afford to lose their jobs.

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These men have not been given 17 year sentences individually.

The men in question are serving a *total* of 17 years in jail.

So, the longest sentences currently given to the men are 6 years each.

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Another Compensation ruling. During a Proceeds of Crime hearing at Preston Crown Court this week, and subsequent to being sentenced to 6 years each earlier this year
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...ack___400_000/

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Excellent news :clap:

Do the crime serve the time. :tu:

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:clap::clap:

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And another scheme bites the dust

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/ad...ail/story.html

First CS one too by the looks of it?

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EDIT: Didn't realise this was connected to the one back in Feb

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Good news ! https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/12/20.gif

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Wow! The figure of 44,000 set-top boxes from one illegal operation is quite significant as a proportion of the VM customer base. How many more networks like this still exist I wonder? Although I would treat the technical content of the article with great scepticism, it's worrying that these people had contacts in Korea working on the decryption or at least the bypassing of the security measures.

I hope that such news items will gain greater public attention as, after all, no demand, no supply. If people realise the severity of the offence and the likelihood that their money will be wasted, perhaps they'll think twice before 'subscribing' to such schemes.