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I think it's open to interpretations and I am no legal eagle (nor like a legal illegal :D )

The way I read it is that the business side is there as the public do have access to a lot of business premises (for example shops) and if a person owns the shop then they are covered the same as a private house. BUT a market stall holder can not be determined as a place of business just a point of sale.. Otherwise any illegal street seller of fake DVD's could specifiy that his corner of the street is his regular place of business and walk off with his conterfit goods..

TheDon do you have experience with this? or in a legal profession? Just that I understand your interpretation as well as my own but was wondering if your viewpoint had any knowledge as to why one interpretation is correct?

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Oh definitely, like I said before IANAL.

A point of sale is a place of business by any definition. The question is if it's a regular one, which if they have a market stall that they man regularly, it is. A one off car boot wouldn't be, but a regular car boot (say on the last sunday of every month) would be. A street seller would have to be there regularly for them to have protection from an on the spot seizure, and if they are then you just apply to a court order. If they dispute you thinking they aren't then that's why you notify the police first, so they can come along and sort it out.

This is the entire point of the right of seizure though, it's for use when you couldn't otherwise apply for a court order to seize in advance and instead are acting on opportunity. If you know someone is going to regularly have possession of them in a course of business you go through the courts, if you just otherwise come across someone with one you can seize it on the spot.

Not with this specifically, but with interpreting legal jargon, part of my degree was law based (which a fair focus on copyright although not this aspect of it as it was part of a CS degree).

Essentially though any interpretation could be correct, it just depends who's interpretation the judge agrees with at the time.

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Yep :clap: totally agree there

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I'd care more about Virgin cracking down on chipped boxes if it meant cheaper monthly subscriptions to me (although being on Sky it makes no difference either way).

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D'oh! :doh: I made the same mistake someone else made in interpreting one of my earlier posts. I meant 'unidirectional' not 'unicast'.

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Hey, keep me out of this. Post #888 is a reply from TheDon to one of my posts and has nothing to do with confiscation or court warrants. I think you need to unravel the thread from post #886 working backwards to the original contentious remark!

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I'm not sure what the definitions are in law but even a car boot sale may be covered as a place of business. The individual seller has paid the organiser for a patch and the organiser has rented the venue, more often than not, on a regular basis agreement. With a market stall, the organiser is usually the local council or its representative. Although their may be different permits involved, a market and a car boot sale seem very similar to me.

Anyway, I don't want to get into this largely uninformed and speculative 'legal' discussion and I think we should all move on. Wait a few of months until Nagra 1 has been removed and then restart the discussion based on the results.

Did my dodgy neighbour continue to receive free cable (FreeLoad ;))? Did he/she avail of the amnesty and go 'legit'? Did they switch to satellite (BSkyB or FreeSat) or 'downgrade' to DTT on FreeView? How much did my subscription go down or content go up as a result of this new injection of revenue to VM from the reformed FreeLoad-ers? All this and more but only when we actually know something!

Seizure? I think I'm having one!

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Saw someone asking for a Virgin Media Box on freecycle. Advised them and the group administrators about the illegality of such a transaction.

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You should have let them waste there money :LOL:

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It was Freecycle so just the expense of collection :rofl:

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Missed that :D

Did hear the other day that there is a trade in untouched virgin boxes.


It seems some of the dodgy box users have modded there subbed box's, How stupid can they get. So they are after unmodded boxes to hand back when the modded subbed box goes off :LOL:

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How do you feel about card sharing mate? :PP:

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We will see and you know you will have to pay for a new box and for access to the servers each year don't you. Everything i have heard about it makes me think think grab and run. All so do you think the cable companies will not be able to hunt down the cs servers :PP::PP:


Heard on another forum that one of those servers has already died the death :LOL:

dodgy servers run by dodgy gits after your money and no way to contact them. :LOL:


Enjoy being ripped off

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I find it amazing that people assume that someone who rips off large DTV companies is will not also rip off customers.

After all, they aren't going to go complaining to anyone that they've been ripped off as they are technically doing something illegal.

It reminds me of a scam they covered in "The Register" years ago. A porn company registered a particularly offensive sounding name that they used for credit card billing purposes. They then charged extortionate amounts to people cards, thinking that most people would not complain due to the risk they might have to explain why they are ordering from a company with an offensive name.

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Thats the problem with the system he has posted about. They take you money for the year and then could easily do a runner and then start up with a different name and then take your money again. Also the set tops are dedicated so they could just remove support if there is any for the box you have and then make you buy a new box each year. Con artists of the highest order

They are a bunch of crooks so why anyone would trust them with money i don't know. I have heard of 2 cs servers that have failed now. :clap:

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What would be funny is if someone was sold a cardboard 'box' lol

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Would love to see that happen. :)

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Set-top written on the side so they can't get done for falsity too.
well they would have paid for a set-top box then ;)

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Bit of an update :LOL:

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...aid.6298437.jp

Not sure if this is Cable or Sat but :clap: to the police for the bust. Keep it up.

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Harehills what a shock! ;)

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Says they seized satellite boxes so guessing sat. Still shows they're serious about it though.

That's going to be an ever increasing trend once everywhere is n3. You'll soon find all the public servers going down because they're so easy to track.

Foreign based ones will probably stay around, but the digital economy bill makes it trivial to force ISPs to block access to them (and VM could easily just null route them anyway, and most people getting free tv are probably getting free internet too).

Cardsharing isn't going to be public for all too long, it won't take much until it's pushed back underground (unless someone develops a truely p2p cardsharing sharing system...)

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If it was a space port it would be

Mos Eisley

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That does read as though they were a Sat CS setup but it nice to know that action was taken against them. The more publicity about these people getting tracked down the better. :)

Reading some of the VM CS related posts on the Dark Side has been interesting in that the common consensus seems to be that people now more wary about getting ripped off. Having to buy new kit and then paying a years money up front to a dodgy CS set up that can not be held accountable in any way if they fail to deliver seems to be a step to far for people who previously felt more in control of their thievery as they only had to hand over a few quid to the 'guy in the pub'.

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The forums dedicated to stealing cable are reporting that one of the servers that has been setup to allow a form of sharing has been raided. Couple of quotes below

It was a cable server not Sat

:clap:



This shows that the servers can and will be found and shut down. This has happened very quickly which shows that the system is not safe for the thieving gits :clap:


Now lets see more of these raids happening

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It will be interesting to see what action is taken regarding the IP addresses & MAC addresses that are harvested as a result of the seizure of this server.

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Indeed

And if they send the servers aboard it does not take the brains of a Arch Bishop to track them and get them shut down by the isp who's network they are working on.

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In theory.

In practice though it requires the co-operation of the country that it's hosted in, and just ask the MPAA and RIAA how co-operative other countries are at shutting down copyright infringing services. There are many countries that just sit there and stick two fingers up at the requests and let them carry on regardless. It'll take an extensive court battle to get some countries ISPs to take a site offline (just look at the pirate bay) and by then there will simply be another in it's place.

This is why the DE bill has the potential to enforce site blocking, so we can just get UK isps to block access to the sites without having to go through the hoops of getting them shut down.

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Parts of that bill get my vote :tu:

You could also see attacks against the servers from anonymous sources as well ;)

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Now there's an idea. :) Somewhere that the hackers could play and get a thumbs-up for a change?

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I find myself wondering if something similar to the IWF proxy could be set up to deal with known card sharing servers.

That it would immediately identify those using them is, of course, purely a bonus :)

If anyone wants technical details on this happy to provide, else I'm sure those in the know already know how the Cleanfeed box works :)

EDIT: This does of course assume it's not already in place. Could be automatic and effortless actually, all scripted and based on parsing packet captures.

2nd EDIT: No it can't, legal reasons.

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It's not and never has been clear-cut that the Piratebay does anything illegal, except allowing newbies to get themselves sued but that's a question of morality and not legality. Even in the UK you just have to look at what happened to Oink (administrator was found not guilty, others a slap on the wrists). Many countries take direct pay-tv theft much more seriously, mainly due to EU legislation but also self-interest since many of the major PAY TV operators have government involvement.
Cardsharing servers really need to be as local as possible, the same country preferably to work with any kind of reliability. This is certainly true of newer encryptions, older versions had a lot more leeway in terms of latency. I'm going to assume N3 was designed with defeating card sharing in mind, especially long range and if the servers are on British soil, prosecution should be straightforward.

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In Warrington the new cards have been rolled out yet the chap in the local layby bacon sandwich van :D still claims to be getting Sky Sports via a hookey VM box :mad:

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Not for much longer ;)

We have to be sure everyone has swapped their catds before we switch off the old encryption.

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Do you know if Virgin have switch off the old encryption in Scotland yet?

How long will Channel 997 broadcast after switch over?

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East Scotland has Glasgow is very soon

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I can't say, thats a security sensitive question :)

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This thread gives me a warm feeling inside every time it pops up in my subscriptions list. :D

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Glad to hear it :)

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What has the end of the analogue service got to do with this thread??

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aren't most chip boxes analogue?

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I suspect not, now. VM have shut down most analogue areas (AFAIK).

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Nope, most chipped or CS boxes are/were digital. The original Nagra encryption is a digital encryption :p:

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Pedant mode on

There has not been a chip installed in a cable box to allow the user to watch encrypted channels for years I believe. I think in fairness most if not all chipped boxes were analogue

Pedant mode off

It is however common practice to call modified boxes "chipped" although they are not :)

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Yep and as this thread is about "chipped boxes" and the changes Nagra 3 (a digital encryption method) then it's correct to assume that it's not to do with the old analogue boxes..

The thing is that if you say Modified box to most of the public you;ll get a blank look where as a chipped box will get some response ;)

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yes I know thats why I used pedants in good humour :)

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<aside>

Indeed ... as it is also common practice to call the process of solving computing problems 'debugging' ... even though it has been many years since computers had the sort of enormous valves that used to get clogged up with insects to the point where they would overheat and go pop, requiring both a new valve and a sweep with a brush to remove the bugs from the works.

</aside>

:D ;)

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<more aside>

Whilst the origin of the term 'debugging' is contested, it almost certainly pre-dates thermionic valves and has far wider historical usage that just in the computer hardware or software industries.

</more aside>

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I would have thought that it had a naval context with debugging food before consumption??

Anyway getting back on topic... Shall we have a contest to see how many boxes we can see sat on top of wheelie bins when finally the old encryptionis turned off :)

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I know that it has started in my area as I received and installed my card last week so the should be a few about.:D

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I dont know if the switch off has taken place in Nottingham as yet but there does seem to be quite a few boxes turning up on Gumtree.
Really???

:dunce:

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My guess would be that the switch-off hasn't happened yet, but word has got round that it's coming, and people are trying to offload their dodgy boxes while they can still show them as working.

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I think that the buyers deserve what they get and I have not one jot of sympathy for them whatsoever.https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/04/8.gif

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I am getting message now but no card yet, Knowsley Headend, hopefully it aint too far off.

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Should be due anytime as mine arrived last week.;)

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Please, if we are to reform these ne'er-do-wells we must start by encouraging them to dispose of their defunct equipment in an appropriate way at a recycling centre.

Reduce, reuse, recycle!

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Just arrived was really quick swapping it out like 2 mins, I take it the upto 30 mins part is maybe for really old boxes only.

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It it just to stop you calling in within that time so as to give the card time to initiate, or by time you got through it could be all up and running.;)

We would not find as it would be a nice easy quick call but you could have been sitting there with a phone to your ear for no real reason.;)

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I know someone who has a Samsung 'chipped' box that I warned him about a while ago. We have had our cards here in Manchester a month now? and as of last week his dodgy box was still working.... how come?

I want my 'I told you so' moment :D

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Not all of Manchester has had the cards yet, including my area, unless you have a fault and a tech comes round

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Once the whole area has been done they will switch over and he will get a pretty "Please call this number if you want to continue viewing" notice right in the middle of his screen preventing any viewing which cannot be removed.

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Somebody will.

I can remember a quite a few years back when there was only Sky, a guy were my mum and dad worked built his own sky box and dish, and he got a better picture that people who had a genuine sky box.

He built the dish out of a metal dusbin lid and fixed that to his wall, at that time our council was very anal about satellite dishes on houses, and didn't like them going up, so told him to remove his "dish", but he responded it's a dustbin lid, not a dish and they never came back to get him to remove it.

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I bet that put thousands on your house prices LOL :-)

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Yep £100,000:shocked:

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You can always help a slow box along by warm (or cold) rebooting it or you could just do something useful like empty the dishwasher while you wait for it to register the new card.

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Someone, who was very anti dishes, once told me that legally they were classed as 'sky signs' (nothing to do with BSkyB), just as billboards are, and so required planning permission. Admittedly, in those early analogue days, they tended to be larger Andrews, Canal+ or Televes dishes with the company logo and name on them which would make them a billboard-like advertisement.

These days the more common 58cm mini-dish is probably more discreet than a roof-top mast of DTT beams, an FM folded dipole loop and a dipole for DAB.

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I have not read all 65pages of this thread so maybe this has already been answered, for which I apologise if this is the case.

These "dodgey boxes" that are talked about, they have been around for a long time so I hear, and every time Virgin do whatever it is they do and knock them off, before long they are back up and running. My question is, why is everyone so excited about this now when they maybe up and running again soon? Or is something really being done this time and they won't come back? I am not a "dodgey box" owner, in fact it cheeses me off to think people have got TV for free when I and many others, have to pay! I am not technically in the know about this stuff so please forgive my lack of knowledge in this area.

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The new cards use NAGRA3 which has been out around the world for around 3 years and as yet no one has cracked the encryption, so all sellers of dodgy boxes are now desperate to offload them onto unsuspecting fools.

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This is a full encryption change, not just the change of the keys which has been all that's happened previously. As Masque says this new encryption is currently used on the european sats with a larger customer base than VM will ever have and in 3 years it's not been cracked apart from card sharing which isn't a way of breaking the encryption

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Great news then at last, they will have to pay like the rest of us :) . Thanks for the explanation, makes me a happy camper :)

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The is a lot more information in this thread http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35055743

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Good bye to all freeloaders :waving: :waving: :waving: :waving: :waving:

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Speaking as someone who doesn't watch tv. I have a Samsung box that was provided as part of my contract it supplies the Virgin Freeview channels. Everytime I phone Virgin of late, it gives me this whole 'We recently sent you a tv card to our great new tv channels ....' it says something else, but I'm usually staring at the ceiling by the time its quoted the first sentence and waiting for the 'Hello Virgin Media how may I help you?' voice.

Anyway, my question is, will the fact that I choose NOT to insert the cards into my tv box have any effect on my account overall? I may eventually goto the trouble of messing around with the whole TV thing in the future and may even insert the tv cards at a later date but right now TV doesn't interest me so I'm not planning on inserting the cards anytime soon, but don't want it to effect my broadband connection in anyway with me choosing to not use the Samsung Freeview Box. It maybe worth pointing out that the TV box is NOT installed near the tv at this point, instead its on top of a cupboard in the bedroom still in its box.

Also, should I choose to install the TV cards at a later date say in 6 or 12 months after the roll out of your secret encoding thing has been deployed. Will the cards still work, or will I have to apple for new cards for instance?

Finally, for those that will conclude that I'm doing something dodgy Virgin Media are free to come around and check my installation anytime they so wish to ensure that it's not using any equipment that I shouldn't.

I did try asking the Customer Services\Broadband Tech Support people the above questions, but unfortunately none of them could answer my questions and by the time they had transferred me to TV Tech Support, I had literally forgotten the question I was going to ask, yes it took that long :( I should have written it down obviously :) :dunce:

Thanks for your time.

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No, it will just stop the TV working

No but you would need to contact Virgin to send approriate signals to the cards as the systems used as part of the current card swap won't be needed anymore so will have been removed.

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also worth noting... the stb while unplugged will be getting no software updates, this could cause problems for the box in the future, but if it doesn't work when plugging back in, then just call faults.

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That's fantastic news, I was hoping it would be something simple like that.

Thank you both.

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although boxes are going off up and down the country, Belfast has yet to be touched.

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Oh it will be.;)

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yeah ive been tellin people for months but they dont listen and think im jokin:D. looking forward to their faces when they only have free to air channels :D

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There are no FREE to AIR channels on Virgin Media boxes, the M subscription comes free with a phone line but they are still encrypted

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As Masque says, they will be greeted with a nice screen with a nice warning telling them to get subscription :P

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even better

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Anyone know when essex will be done?

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i hope this means that our broadband speeds increase and the price will drop..

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they will be left with some free channels. BBC ITV 4 5 BBC3 E4 I think and a few others though. Not even full freeview package though

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Nah that's stopping as well Masque said, you just get a message telling you to subscribe which cannot be removed

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He may well of done but I only read one or 2 posts these threads go on for weeks lol

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Haha, just keeping you in the know ;)

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Ta very muchly :)

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quoting myself lol a few major posters havent commented so i guess not lol..typical..when these pirates get knocked off our network i suspect prices will increase not decrease...

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yea all of the uk will be lol..

Bell TV (Canada) (Nagravision 3)
Claro TV (Central America, Dominican Republic) (Nagravision 1 with MPEG-4 Encode)
Digi TV (Romania Hungary Czech Republic Croatia Serbia Slovakia) (Nagravision 2 & Nagravision 3 )
Digital+ (Spain) (Nagravision 3)
Dish Network (USA) (Transition to Nagravision 3 was completed on 6/18/09)
Dream Satellite TV (Philippines) (Nagravision 3)
Look Communications (Canada)
Polsat (Poland) (Nagravision 3)
Sky/Premiere (Germany) (Nagravision 3)
Reliance BigTV (India)
StarHub TV (Singapore)
Telenet (Belgium) (Belgium) (Nagravision 2)
Tivù Sat, Mediaset Premium and Pangea platform (Nagravision 3)
TV Cabo (Portugal) (Nagravision 3)
UPC (Ireland) (Nagravision 3)
UPC (Romania) (Nagravision 3)
Via Embratel (Brazil) (Nagravision 3)
Virgin Media (United Kingdom) (Nagravision 1 being phased out, currently switching to Nagravision 3)
Top Up TV (United Kingdom) (NagraVision 3 "Merlin" swapped from SECA2 in 2008)

ANYONE can reply to these type of threads with what you keep saying...its even on wikedpidea...

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I condemn all use of "chipped" boxes, but by golly there's some sanctimonious holier-than-thou types in this thread.

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yea and this isnt even a LEGIT virgin forum...there is only 1...
http://community.virginmedia.com/ ..whats this site for as a matter of fact??your number one cable forum Resource is http://community.virginmedia.com/..who runs this site??is it sanctioned by vm?? nthell.com??what ever happened to that place??

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If it wasn't legit, it would have been taken down by the government.
Which isn't true as it has been running for many years
AFAIK, NTHell was the original name of Cable Forum before it was changed.

Edit:
If you take a butchers over at http://www.nthellworld.co.uk/home.php you will see that is the same as Cable Forum apart from the colour scheme until you click on the topic.

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Errm, that wasn't my point. This site is excellent and IS the number one cable resource in the UK.

My point was about one or two of the sanctimonious comments in this thread.

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This is to do with securing the DTV network and will have no impact on broadband speeds or the pricing structure.

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As stated by Ben B all the channels will be unwatchable due a screen that cannot be removed until a subscription and legit box are in place.;)

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Erm, the site *is* legit. It *is* sanctioned by Virgin Media (we would not be able to refer customer problems to them if it were not), it's just not owned by them.

It's owned by (I believe) Paul and Frank, and is run by Paul, Frank, Mick and the rest of the moderating/admin team.

It's also arguable that without this site (and particularly it's predecessor Nthellworld.com), community.virginmedia.com would not exist.

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:clap: :clap: :clap:

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Only when the Devil is seen ice skating in hell.

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Me thinks i know why you said that, Here to create a bit of lively conversation are we.;)

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He seems a bit of an odd troll rather out of sorts.:D

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yea as we know nthell sold out...this forum rose from the ashes of a site that put ntl and hell together..now its different..whats changed??is the tech support any different??

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balls m8..the arguments over the years have been that the pirates cause NOISE to the network...whatever that is:rolleyes:

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if you were an employee of mcdonalds would you join their website and post and claim to be a member of their staff??is this your job??:rolleyes: your just above a burger flipper Masque..btw Masque i coined the phrase troll ;)

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so this site is now owned by virgin fanboys???

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sirius..im an ordinary punter..YOU work for vm...check my ip..theres NOOOOOO history...theres loads like me who KNOW and just pass along and reg because they cant stomach comments from virgin media employeees like yourself...

if the music/film industry were able to cut 99% of illegal stuff then the prices should drop lol...i would even say that skys recent wholesale price have been conspired between the 2 r's lol..richard and rupert ;)

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Thanks for the confirmation of your status.

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I am a verified staff member on here hence my signature and you did actually see the grinning smiley, good to see you answering back even if it is still trolling as per your above comment.;)
Virginmedia only lease the name and Richard Branson does not own the company and has no real input into the company unlike Rupert Mudoch with SKY.

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No. Believe me it's not..