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Best I got on 3Mbit was around the low 360s which is about right :) EDIT: Worse still on 10Mbit the best you can hope for is around the 1150 - 1180 mark, not even 1200 :p: |
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I get 364KB/s on mine....
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Looks like telewest customers in scotland have been upgraded to the 10mb today.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...nd-speed-boost Come on NTL pull ya fingers out. |
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if anyone's wondering about what the upload speeds might be - the telewest 10meg top tier and their mid tier are both increasing to 384k - obviously all that tells us is the technical aspect means you can get away with 384k on a 10meg downstream.
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You will get the upgrade when its ready. All this whining complaining and sniping will not make it arrive any quicker. |
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For gods sake you would think your life depended on it. |
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I can only get 2mb from my exchange so ntl customers are far from being the worse off. L in my office has to use dial-up as the best speed available :( Quote:
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being useless ----- im on 2meg will i ever be on 10meg ...
if i upgrade today will i be on 10meg sooner? |
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Though 2mb and 1mb customers will be upgraded at a later date. |
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as i dont pay for my 2meg i better wait and see what happens 2meg is fine just want an unlimited package
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Might it be something like this >------ I think i am being ripped of because i dont have 10 meg yet. Another company has it that has nothing to do with NTL but they have it. NTL said we will start to get it around this time "read press release from NTL". I have at the moment this service "insert speed here" and pay this much"insert price here" which is the service level i signed up for and i am presently receiving. But this company"insert company name here " which is nothing to do with NTL has this speed "insert speed here" and therefor i am being ripped off. |
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Whether you mentioned size or not, the size difference between the networks owned by NTL and Telewest means that NTL WILL take longer to introduce new speeds. Even thought they (possibly) have greater resources (doubtful, bearing in mind the trouble NTL has been in), it will still take longer as they have far more areas to test. |
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I know that i am not being ripped off and a 10mb free speed increase is great:) |
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What does everybody think that the upload speed will be?? I am really hoping for 400k+, Fingers crossed! :)
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lowest as possible to stop all the P2P traffic causing all the network congestion, its a myth that downloading is worse than uploading, its the constant use of P2P users maxing out their uploads that ruin the service for everyone, yet the heavy downloaders who don't use their uploads to the max get blamed
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I use the newsgroups when i do download . Can fully recommend newshosting.com for when you need a linux iso :D |
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Only just read this thread. Does anyone know what the monthly charge will be for 10mb?, I currently pay 17.99 for 1mb, new customers get away wih 9.99 for 1mb, and 2 & 3mb users pay more..NTL's press release just says at no extra charge..bit confusing...any ideas?
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I suspect that will mean you'll get 10 meg at the same price you do 1 meg now. I think NTL are going for 1 speed, but differing cap levels. |
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Well here is a dumeter snapshot of me doing some experiments.
speed left of graph is ftp on high port right of graph is http Left of graph is download of a ftp on a high port, and the right of graph is a download of the same server from http done at around 9pm, this is on 2mbit. After mega tweaking and setting rwin ridicously high at over 250000 can get it stable at 220kB/sec and after 1am this increased to 240kB/sec. Speedtests from robin walker site wont be fair representation of ntl's external capacity performance. |
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Does any1 have any ideas at when NTL will start the upgrade? I hope its not too long from now....
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The further away the better. Unless bragging rights suits you better then stability.
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NTL will say it can already cope, and for their average user who just uses http it will cope.
right now I am downloading of a 100mbit server at steadfast, as usual I am the only user having problems with speed and needing to use 2 threads to avoid massive fluctuation in bandwidth. |
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Anyone know what the current upload speeds of the 3mb service are? Im on 2mb and can get 175kbps.
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lol my upload is usually 35 - 36KB/s
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The man coming to swap a modem possibly wouldn't know anything more than you or me. Unless it's been released to the public, he would have nothing to say anyway, it would probably be more than his job was worth.
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Also, how would you feel if the engineer who fixed your modem said that you would get 10 meg next month (because he had been told that area was being done) then something happened at the last minute that prevented you from getting the 10 meg? |
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so do most of us think that the upload rate on ntl is gonna be 384k for the 10mb (only 84k increase over 3mb upload)
if so does anyone know which provider as the quickest upload rate uploading is very important to me as i do alot of web designing and im continuiously uploading pages and files via ftp so the quicker the better is 384 the max for current uk cable networks? |
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I think Bulldog do 400k upload....aint too sure though. But thats probably the best you are going to get without spending too much money.
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I agree with stuart, but this begs the question why ntl let the public know so early. If something goes wrong and they launch 6 months late then it will come back to kick them in the back.
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called communication between departments, if its a say this might happen then yeah sure, but now its at the stage where its announced etc. and 'is' going to happen at this stage I would expect the engineers to know as then they can make sure equipment at the property is up to scratch to provide such a service they can also be on hand to answer customer's question whilst they there. If I was an engineer working for ntl and the customer knew more then me I would not be happy at all been put in an embarrasing situation.
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Chrysalis, that would only apply to the engineers working in the areas as and when they are upgraded.
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It's also worth noting that the vast majority of installers are onyl contractors. Having to train every contractor on the company developents on a weekly basis would not be possible.
As people have said, these upgrades are free. We had this when the last updates to 1/2/3Mb took place. It's a free upgrade so who are these people to complain when they don't get it? |
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don't get me wrong - i'm not putting NTL down for releasing the service, etc, and well done to them for being competative and so on, but in my view, it IS a poor show on NTL's part if they don't ensure they make every effort to see that their own staff know what is going on. If the dates are that uncertain, then the engineer / call centre - whoever - could at least say "we expect the service to be live by....". There is no obligation for them to give everyone who asks a definitive date for live service to their home. in fact, if the dates are that uncertain, perhaps the upgrade should not have been mentioned, otherwise it looks to obvious that it was just to scare the rivals, who will then ACTUALLY release a faster service sooner!!! |
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Nobody forced them to release the information. The only reason they did so was to keep customers from going elsewhere when it looked like BT and other DSL providers would be be releasing a higher speed product and grabbing all the headlines at the same time.
I pretty much expect this not to be rolled out till BT actually come close to catching up. Afterall, why stress the network until they need to. This will probably be good for NTL overall since they will have more capacity than needed and so hopefully mean happier customers and Marge gets to a have a slightly less stressful day :p . One day NTL will learn that quality > quantity. |
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I think thats a bit harsh, i`ve been with NTL broadband for 2 1/2 years and i`ve got to say their network is the dogs nuts. |
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The problem with that is illustrated by the current problems with Channel launches. Look at the amount of complaints that failiure generated on this forum alone! Quote:
The problem with that is (and I speak from experience here), if you say "and we expect the service to go live by ..." and then say a date, people will ignore the "we expect the service to go live by..." bit and assume the date is final. |
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Heres one for all to think about NTL & Telewest are supposed to be merging effectively creating one company. how are they going to get round offering some people 10mb unlimited for £35 pm while others will be paying up to £37.99 pm for 10mb with a 75gb cap.
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It's quite simple - while NTL and Telewest continue to exist as two brands, they'll market different products. Assuming that they will, at some point, re-launch under a unified brand, their products will become the same.
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They are also not direct competitors (you can get NTL or Telewest) you cannot choose to switch between them unlike say Demon and Bulldog, so why do they need to compete, it is about as useful as comparing the prices Time Warner offer in the US to the prices Telewest offer in the UK, or UPC in France.
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Just because the format for service delivery is slightly different, the end result is ultimately the same - high speed internet access. saying they are not competitors would be like saying buses and cars are nothing like each other in any way. on the surface it may seem that way, but indeed, they have more in common than not. they both have wheels, both use the roads, both get you from A to B. the list could go on, but in the end, you get to the destination, albeit one does it better than the other. |
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No, you can get NTL or Bulldog, you can get Telewest, or Bulldog, you cannot get NTL or Telewest.
So Telewest could lower its price for 20 MB BB to 1p, but if you were in a NTL cabled area it is of no use to you whatsoever, if Bulldog did the same you could of course switch to the competition. NTL and Telewest do not compete with oneanother, their product offerings are entirely complimentary (to use marketing speak). To compare to a similar transport analagy, the London to Brighton railway line is not the same as the London to Glasgow line. Both use Steel rails, have trains running along them etc, but if you want to get to Brighton you can only use the Brighton line and the operator running the trains on that line. |
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Let me try putting it from a different angle if BT were to rename its self under two or more titles & charge different prices in the different regions it would cause an uproar. In the same instance when NTL & TW merge effectively they become one company, i think its wrong for the same packages not to be offered nationwide
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When the 2 do merge and there is different products in different areas will ofcom do anything will anyone do anything, will the press pick up on it this remains to be seen. |
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You seem to ignore that ntl was a private venture from building the network to now. Are you trying to tell us that there were areas that didn't even have landlines till ntl came along? Course not.
If BT haven't haven't made parts of their network ADSL ready, or Sky dishes are banned, thats tough luck laddy. |
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ntl aren't classed as having Significant Market Power, neither are Telewest, so in the eyes of Ofcom they aren't monopolies.
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lets face it though the least profitable of the services are phased out infavor of making more money this is buissness after all they wont add good deals from another provider to the ntl line up they'll take them away
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1.4million broadband users not significant market power, I wonder what is?
The argument they built their own network is valid but look at the other side of things, ntl and telewest brought licenses to cable many area's but didnt go ahead but because they brought these licenses they stopped other companies doing so, there are so many circumstances for people where its either not viable or possible to use BT for internet and that leaves them with available cable options, BT inherited a network yes but they still paid for the exchange upgrades to make them ADSL capable which I am sure was not cheap, is the cost of cabling the current area's more then BT's rollout for ADSL the figures would be interesting. |
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seems as if Blueyonder peeps are being upgraded now, some people are on 10meg already
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Indeed Chris.
It has been ntl (and TW) which has broken BT's monopoly and we have all benefitted. A decade ago, for example, BT was charging 12p/minute to make a daytime national telephone call, now they charge 3p/minute. Similarly, offpeak calls from BT were 4p/minute. Now BT charges 5p/hour. None of this would have happened if cable had not appeared and we should all be very grateful! |
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I dont argue the benefits for phone's when the cable companies appeared on the scene but back then they were all different various companies I remember around here it was diamond cable or something, but the cable companies you see now days are different to 10 years ago they are a much more bigger force.
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i've just learnt about this and i've 2 questions
1. when? 2. they said they weren't increasing prices, but people would have to pay different amounts depending on how much they doing a. will this mean the 30gb cap will a free limit and if you go over, you get charged extra b. any idea how much extra (if extra) we will need to pay there are 66 pages so forgive me for not going 1 after 1 to find the answers |
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Some network owners realised this and built on the cheap to sell on before anyone noticed (Videotron) others built well, but really the government should have sold one cable licence to overlya the BT licence and had a requrement for %s to be cabled by certain points in time. The companies are a bigger force, but the evolution has been at high cost, such that NTL is still battling to consolidate billing systems and still running two CATV/BB networks. Challenges Sky never had to overcome. Imagine Sky having to broadcast from 3 sats, using 3 different protocols and billing everyone with a further 3 different billing systems. Thats where cable is today. __________________ Quote:
Soon Yes Seems like the fastest speed will be capped and the lower speeds not. Nothing True |
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So what some people are asking for is when TW and Ntl merge that TW customers should be able to get Ntl services and Ntl customers should be able to get TW services. And the cost of providing these services although on different networks and with different costs should be the same price even. This is just rubbish....
Its like expecting Skoda to provide you a VW or an Audi just because they are part of the same company(and provide it at the same price as the skoda). I fully expect the 2 brands to be seperate untill the networks can be evolved over time to be similar enough to enable single branding. BTW thats just an example I am not comparing Ntl or Telewest to a Skoda :p |
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I prefer the skoda (better value for money) but thats drifting ot ;)
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"Be" are now rolling out 24meg/1.3mb upload for £24. The exchange checker says December here. Not bothered about the download speed tho' I'm less than half a mile from the exchange but that upload and price look enticing.
http://money.guardian.co.uk/internet...578645,00.html http://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/canBeHome.do Maybe you might see your 10meg before Christmas afterall :). p.s. they actually state no capping too |
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10megs at £37 or whatever it is by NTL seems like a steal compared to £24 for upto 24meg
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To be honest, this seems too good to be true but if it isn't then I'm going to have a hard time justyifing staying with NTL and I'm not sure how NTL would be able to compete in such a short period of time. Even if BE were to only offer 3meg, the upload speed, static ip, price and lack of worry about usage are all reasons to move.
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BE are only in a small number of locations compared to your NTL network and are probably cherry picking the most profitable cities/exchanges/locations.
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I hope they do but it's daft to compare their product with NTLs when almost no-one can get it!
__________________ those of us who want to keep jobs in the UK and/or dont like off shore call centres should remember "Be's Headquarters are in central London and our call centre and technical support are based in India." |
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TBH the only problems i've had with my connection has been when the STB would lock up which has only happened once since i got my new Samsung so i'm pretty happy with the service and any speed upgrades i get a welcome capped or not |
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Wow 1.3 meg upload! I would love to have that! I think i will ring them and see if i can get it :)
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as i said the service with NTL is actually pretty good |
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