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The wording on the flyer certainly "suggested" that it would be the full movie that you could download.

But this is all a bit of a distraction, so let's swing this back around to films that you *can* legally download. I've been grabbing stuff from archive.org recently, and some of those files aren`t that small.

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In fact, when some of us shopped NTL to the ASA over this, NTL got away with rapped knuckles by claiming exactly that. ;) And the ASA believed them. Fools. :D

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You bunch of dobbers!! lol! :D

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My posts are usually long but this will be nice and short for you.... :angel:


I just wish that NTL would take the bull by the horns and start to lead the U.K forward in the broadband revolution.

They are so well placed to do it with owning their own network and having such a vast area of possible subscribers. If they were to offer packages to suit everyone and not just the browsers and emailers they would be so dominant.

Instead they feel more than happy to let other I.S.P's take on the "Heavy" user.

With the way the broadband service is going at the moment many more people will use the internet to it's fullest uses and gain much more from it.
Those I.S.P's that are currently embracing this and taking the "Heavy" users who in 6 months time will be considered "Average" users due to advancements in internet content will surely benefit from their actions NOW.

The question is will what NTL are doing at the moment affect them in the future? And how many people that can see the potential of broadband and leave for another I.S.P offering these so called "Future" Now will go through the hassle of returning to NTL if and when they start to catch up with these advancements?
It may prove all to late..... :erm:

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hi all, i have been following this with interest know over the last few months and if ntl do cap there connections eg my 1.5 mb connection then i am off.
Ill get rid of there tv package and phone package as well and get another broadband provider off bt with the same speed or more with no cap.
My cousion works for ntl and if he can confirm the cap on that date ill end my contract with them and get a bt line installed as soon as possible and use one of the many providers out there using bt. Plus ill just sign up to a sky + package and still get the same stuff.
After speaking to a lot of people yes a lot of us do download over 30 gigs of stuff a month and we all know its either through p2p or mirc, or other ftp usage and the feeling is the same cap it and we move. Not just the bb but everything else as well i know i will its consumers choice and i will be using that to move to a diffrent provider.
regards
Dan

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What I do not get is they say that they will not enforce the cap straight away?


Was I right in reading this? If so why?

To lure us all into contracts for 12 months so we have no optoins?

Surely that would mean I would have to sign again for these "New" T&C's?? Or could they just take it as "He has not cancelled so will renew anyway?"

If this is the case then I need to cancel now to avoid being stung by the caps.. :( :(

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Maybe they simply don't yet have the means to enforce a hard cap.


How long have you been with ntl? If/when they implement hard capping, it won't mean you have a new 12 month contract. If you've had ntl for over 12 months already, then if you want to cancel you simply give them 30 days notice (provided you can get through to Retentions of course :rolleyes: )

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So..anyone know if the caps will be daily or monthly? Maybe the original source of speed/caps news could inform us.
Also, will it be calender monthly or 30 days monthly? It'll important to be able to to work out on 31 day months what we have left of the 1.33gig or 1.29gig total (for the 3mb users at least) as it comes close to midnight, assuming it is midnight, you never know it could be 4am or 7pm at night knowing NTL. Imagine that..the Mrs and kids have been using the connection all day and you come back from work and you're on 56k speeds, lovely.

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I just read the first 5 and then skipped to the last 5 pages of this thread, so forgive me if I'm going over old ground here.

A few posts caught my eye so I'll comment, and add a few (possibly rhetorical) questions (as it still seems like there's no firm news on this).


Matth said:
"What was the "lite" tier at 300k, moves to 1Mbit, and since that is a throughput that cost £34.99 not so long ago, at £17.99 it gets a 5Gb cap to make it a "lite" service."


So, if people on 300k get bumped up to 1Mbit they'll get a 5gb a month cap forced on them? Surely that means they're not getting the service they first subscribed to? Won't the people getting the speed increases be required to sign a new contract? What if they refuse to sign the new contract. Would they stay with what they have or be thrown off?


Ignition
"Just a reminded though it's been done to death, when you order the upgrade you are agreeing to a transfer limit of 40GB a month. This isn't a guideline it's a fixed transfer allowance."


So when you order an upgrade you are agreeing to the new limit. That makes sense. The people who are being bumped up from 300k to 1Mbit aren't agreeing to it though, so back to my previous point.


dellwear mentioned https://secure.ntlfreedom.com/htmlfiles/5gb.htm


5gb a month doesn't look good, but there's also this - https://secure.ntlfreedom.com/bundle...ndClassic.aspx
"Unlimited service - with no download limits on your Broadband usage"
"Unlimited anytime high-speed 512K Broadband"

That's faster than the 300k service I have now!

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Apparently you can stay on 300k if you want , the other 2 packages are automatically upgraded.

That's NTL's ADSL version. It won't let you sign up if you live in a cabled area. Strange that people keep stating all DSL providers have or will have usage limits yet NTL's DSL doesn't. Oh the irony.

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The £24.99 per month for 512k broadband and unlimited free calls to UK geographic numbers looks a real bargain if you are off net. https://secure.ntlfreedom.com/bundle...dUnltd247.aspx

Maybe NTL offer unlimited broadband traffic on Freedom ADSL because it is not their network that is being used and they wouldn't mind seeing it creaking at the seams whilst telling the customer "It's not our fault, it's BT's".

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Apparently Pipex will be doing something similar to NTL with regards to free speed increases. They will also be trialing an 8mb service. They stress that there will be NO cap or restrictions on their lines.

Full story here: http://www.pipex.net/investors/press...age.php?id=198

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Surely to be automatically upgraded - and to then have a cap forced on you - is unethical as you didn't agree to a cap when you originally signed up. Won't the upgraded people be required to sign a new contract agreeing to the new terms and conditions?

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:notopic: Already being discussed here. :notopic:

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No, NTL are quite free to change the content and terms and conditions of packages. If these changes are material changes then you have the right to cancel your contract in accordance with its T&Cs.

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It seems that existing 300k (£17.99 ) users will have a choice, as stated

Stay at a "Lite" 300k, with a cap that you could still hit if you tried VERY hard.
Move to 1Mbit, with "Lite" cap of 3Gb - (down from the 5Gb we all saw leaked) - can't grumble, since they target this as the "browsers" tariff, not a downloaders, so the fact that you can't use high-speed streaming (300k), or can't use it for for very long (3Gb) is intentional.

Looks like the 40Gb limit is back on the table for the 3Mbit, but is it enough?
Pay 52% more, for 50% more speed and 33% more capacity, when the next tariff down is still 33% faster than the old 1.5Mbit.

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If hard capping won't be enforced till "later" in the year, although that post seems to be of some debate right now (arses and elbows anyone ? :) ). Anyway could a 300k user move up to 1mb with the temporary soft cap then back down to 300k when the hard cap comes in for 1mb+ or is there no turning back once you've left 300k-land ?
Suppose this question applies whenever the soft/hard/ takes place since some people may find their usage is greater than expected and may like to move back down to the lowest tier.

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if hard capping is brought in without an overnight exlcusion time, i will leave. I dont really want to, but i do not like having to check my usage patterns all the time, and i dont want to have to screw around and try and predict my future months usage if i wanted to download a suse DVD at 5gb at the start of the month.

anyway, as always, we are just talking hypotheticals because as yet nothing has been announced officially about hard capping.

edit: and if the guy who left me a reputation point thingy with the word "prat" wants to pm me so i can find out what his issue is and hopefully address his concerns, it would be appreciated :D

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Dont Worry i got one with "here's your dummy back" :LOL:

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LMAO. Made me chuckle reading that. So far I have had only nice ones and one saying "Off Topic"

What exactly are these reputation point things for anyway??


And back on track. :erm:

These caps are still not "Concrete" are they?? I am just wondering wether to start up a contract with Pipex just yet?

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Depends on what you mean by "concrete". They are the set caps and not likely to change, however, they are not likely to be properly enforced until very late in the year.

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still have to wonder on 2 key points.

why is upload excused from cap when there is upload saturation.

why are ntl so stringent on it been an all day cap and no early morning exclude time.

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I thought 2 way traffic was included in the cap?

As far as I knew upload AND download would both be monitored :(

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so did I but recent posts have suggested its now download only.

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To be honest I don't think anyone really knows what is going to happen. Those that probably do Cannot tell us anything.

Guess we will see soon right, March 17th?? Or is that under debate also now>?:erm:

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I doubt March 17th means much, if its a farce like the last upgrade was and spread over 3-4 months then some area's probably wont see it until close to autumn.

So this is my guess, since its been said NTL probably wont enforce till late in the year, people in uncongested area's will get the upgrade early and during the time it takes NTL to get the other area's up to par the early adopters will enjoy the upgrade cap free and then when everyone is upgraded NTL will enforce the cap so those who get it last will not only have waited longer they will also not get to use it cap free. This is my thoery of course.

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Ok! Now would it be better for me to upgrade from 300k now to the next tier.I frankly wouldn't have minded a 5GB cap but three is a bit low.Plus if my son does go ahead and get XBox live,won't 300k be unusable for his needs and if I go for the upgrade a 3GB cap will also hamper him too?

Don't ask me what my downloads add up to in a month I've no idea.I doubt very much that I've ever gone over 1 GB a day thus far but I reckon I could do 3GB over a month quite easily. :(

So how much is it likely to cost me to upgrade IF I do it NOW?

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Broadband services are charged at standard costs (300K = £17.99; 750K = £24.99; 1.5Mb = £37.99)

Standard costs with no offers. so to go from 300K to 750K (soon to be 2MB) would be an extra £7/month.

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TBH, i think anybody on 300k should upgrade to 1mb even if they don't intend to, until the caps come into force, and then revert back to 300k if 5gb is too much.

I am not going to be changing my usage until i am told that the caps have been applied, hard.

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If you read the whole thread (might take a few hours!:) ), I think you'll find that once the new tiers come in, CHANGING to one of the old tiers will not be an option.

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300k on the 15.99 tier ;)

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That was mentioned somewhere early in the thread ( and, I think, possibly in the Investor report), but I've not seen it mentioned in the more recent leaked memos. These just say that users on 300K will not be automatically upgraded, as they may wish to keep the current cap.

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It is in the investors report and i got a flyer with my bill saying new bb customers can sign up to the £15.99 tier already.

Question: Where abouts in the chain will the systems which track your usage be? TIA :)

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Let me guess, you just bought a soldering iron. :)

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Haha, stop, you are giving me ideas :D

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Plusnet's usage policy is how "capping" should be done.
http://www.plus.net/features/usage_guide.shtml
Hopefully NTL have something similar in mind but somehow I doubt it.
ADSL is going to be head and shoulders above cable soon and with me getting better pings on an ADSL line to a server in the U.S. I use a lot and already having a BT line about half a mile from the exchange.NTL better give me and the half dozen friends I pimped NTL to when the 600k service first started a good reason to stay or at least no reason to leave. All including me are easily out of contract too.

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Have you read #9 of http://www.plus.net/support/faq/broa...sage_faq.shtml ?

The Plusnet idea may be OK if you want to stay up until 1:00 am to start your downloads and make sure you stop them by 8:00 am . If you don't and you are heavily downloading then your peak time usage may soon hit the cap. Your peak time usage (17 hours a day) will be restricted and have to be watched.

Who knows how soon Plusnet will have to change their usage model, especially if all the NTL heavy users move over to them?

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And who knows how soon NTL will have to rethink their overpriced, undercapped service? With Nildram's new Broadband2 usage caps it makes NTL's look pretty pathetic. Not only do you get an extra 20gb per month, you also get unlimited usage for 8 hours every night.

With the choice of that and an uncapped 1mbit service from Pipex I'm sure I'm not alone when I say NTL will have to fight to keep my custom.

If NTL's new tariff's weren't competative when they were announced they certainly won't be when they finally get round to rolling out.

edit: Here's the info on Nildram's new tariff for people unfamiliar with it. Off-peak hours are from 12-8am. http://broadband.nildram.net/view_pr...oup=broadband2

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Or you could just configure your download manager to grab stuff only during these hours. Given that it is virtually no trouble to ensure that big downloads only occur within these hours without having to stay up I can`t see any problem with that service at all.

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And anyone using P2P doesn't really expect a maxed out service anyway, so they'd happily share it with other people doing the same thing, and probably not notice any drop in speeds, even if there were a lot of people doing it at the same time.

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Flawed argument, since even at peak time plusnet have matched ntl's cap.

So you could argue ntl's cap is enough which in that case you dont need to stay up late do you? :D

Whats funny is their is claims one minute the ntl needs to get these heavy users off, then the next minute we told its only coupld of hundred users to maybe couple of thousand, NTL have what a 3gig+ network, 2000x1.5mbit doesnt come close to that, someone has lied what gives?

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My own "heavy" downloads are usually via usenet so I can easily schedule downloads overnight. In fact I aready do since it allows me to play online games without extra lag in the early evening.Nothing I download is that urgent. I don't even get close to the soft cap now but it's a psycological thing and Plusnet have recognised that. No need to watch how much you're downloading since you get 3 warnings and then clampdown is if your usage is over on 3 consecutive months, I'd never breech that, especially with the overnight usage allowances. If the suggestions that caps will apply over a 24 hour period on NTL are correct I can't see me stopping a day longer than I have to since I know I *occasionally* download over a gig day (mostly overnight at that). I'm not a heavy user by any means. In the last 11 days, since I restarted logging downloads on Netlimiter I've downloaded 7 gig, 3 of those days went over 1gig by 1-200,000 k. I'd have been stuck on 56k for those days even tho' on other days I downloaded less than 200,000k. Hopefully these are just rumours or ideas floating about and when the hard caps are imposed NTL will see sense or borrow Plusnet's ideas.

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dont know if this has already been posted
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03...roadband_hogs/

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Yep its true, this is from the Nildram press release.:

News & Press Releases > Nildram addresses 'capping' issue with clear...
Nildram has introduced a fair usage policy as part of changes to its new broadband services, announced today1, to address the issue of heavy Internet usage and provide users with 'head-room' for downloading. To ensure that it is able to provide all of its customers with a continued high quality service, Nildram is introducing a usage limit of 50GB per month for non-business customers, which applies between 8.00am - midnight. Outside of this time, no usage limit will apply.

From July, customers that exceed the 50GB limit will still be able to continue their service at 64kb for the rest of their billing month or buy extra bandwidth at 99p per GB. Users that do not exceed their 50GB allowance will be able to carry over unused usage to the following month.

That was decided yesterday, they are however cutting the £44pm for 2 meg to £25pm.
Better off at Bulldog imo 4meg and a phoneline, no cap, for £39 pm.
Like someone said on here a while back [might have been Ignition] it looks like caps are being introduced across the board.

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I could completely live with Nildram's cap, It seems like they actually thought about it and really suits everyone apart from ridiculously heavy downloaders. If you need/want to you could get well over 200gb a month, without affecting anyone's browsing. It's the kind of cap NTL needs to think about inplementing.

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That shows a lot of technical knowledge, I don't think, if you think all Nildrams customers can get well over 200gb a month without affecting anyone's browsing. Why have Nildram introduced caps? What will happen if all those dissatisfied NTL customers move over to them? How soon before their caps get lower?

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I've been watching all these caps threads over the past year or so and the only thing that has recently made sense is the model from Plusnet and now Nildram.

Yes of course caps are necessary and whatever we all think about them, caps are here to stay for the foreseeable future BUT there is a case for compromise from both sides. Heavy users will argue until they are blue in the face that they 'have a right' etc etc to use their bandwidth as they see fit. Meanwhile, and this is an observation, the regular pro-cappers on here seem to think that their right is to use their bandwidth as THEY see fit and even though most of this band don't seem to use the service to the full extent, they do have an argument for good service levels. So it seems stalemate is reached and the threads go round and round. Personally I don't really care what other people do don't download.

Ultimately Ntl are the ones in the driving position. It has the upper hand over all of us and the driving force behind the company is profit - which frankly it should be. As a company it has tried to market itself as a technologically advanced solution to all your communications needs which until a year or so ago it probably did just that with the vast majority of its customers happy with the service provided.

However if recent trends in the broadband market are to be continued I think all this worry about caps will be a thing of the past as more and more adsl companies follow the lead of Plusnet and Nildram. Their peak time capping is IMO sensible and realistic and the overnight free-for-all is good for most people to download whatever they want to. Yes theres the argument for having to stay up till 1am or whatever time the cap ends but thats what download managers are for - to queue up the downloads and let the software do the work. If the powers that be at Ntl haven't sat up and taken notice of the latest developments in adsl speeds and capping levels I would be very much surprised. Contrary to most peoples opinions, ANY company the size of Ntl WILL have directors who are aware of market trends and you can bet discussions are afoot to monitor the situation. That doesn't mean they'll come out fighting - they have to implement the current batch of upgrades first - but they will react at some point. My guess is about September this year when they see how things have changed in adsl we'll see higher speeds and more flexible capping levels. Why? Because they'll be forced to by more innovative products from competitors INCLUDING BT who Ntl seem to want to follow rather than lead.

As for me, I browse the internet for a few hours a day, I don't do much streaming BUT, and i'm not ashamed of this, I download mp3's, movies and anything else that I want, when I want because I pay for a service that is broadband. How much do I download? Depends on how I feel. One month I can download 100gig and the next month 10gig. I don't worry too much about restrictions because I haven't had any communication from Ntl EVER to say that I am doing anything wrong so I will continue with what I do and download whatever until that changes. At which point I'll decide the way forward. It's less stressful.

So to sum up, yes there will be caps, no you won't have to worry about them for at least six months, yes we'll see changes for the better in speed and compromise and we will all live happily ever after - until the next capping thread ;)

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The cap itself ALLOWS for 200GB a month, including off peak downloading. So clearly Nildrim DO think it's viable. Not everyone who leaves NTL will go to nildrim, in fact, i doubt if even half of them COULD get nildrim, i can't here in Northern Ireland.

And as more people sign up to Nildrim, i'm sure they'll use the money wisely to upgrade the networks etc, so that they can make even more money. Unless they learned business strategy from NTL. :erm:

Telewest have done it, they did the work first, and will make more money in the long run, because of it. They also don't have the constant problems NTL have (email, newsgroups etc) with faster speeds AND an uncapped service. It's just a shame that when the two companies merge, ntl will be in charge. :rolleyes:

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"Please put brain in gear before posting."

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And your point is? :dozey:

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jesus... You get a 50gb peak cap. Then all you can eat off peak. How is downloading off peak affecting the NORMAL USER (you know, the people that matter)?

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Because the "normal" user will change his online patterns ... ??

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I don't understand what you mean? Why would an average user start browsing through the night because it's uncapped? Surely they won't care as they'll never reach anywhere near 50gb in a month? Plus it remains to be seen if people started downloading through the night (which I'm sure they do anyway) if it actually would affect normal browsing at those times.

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It doesn't mean that Nildram think it's viable at all. They have recognised that something has to be done about customers usage. They may think that any more stringent capping at this time could affect their competitive position in the market. They have taken the first step of a walk, there will be others. Don't forget that Nildram have only 40,000 customers.

NTL have been getting a lot of stick because they announced the speed increases around three to four months before they are due to appear. Some are saying that they should have waited until they were ready to implement the increases before announcing them.

The same people are saying that NTLs 3 Mb top tier is far too low at the side of ADSLs 8Mb offerings. They forget that in the most part the 8 Mb ADSL services are only in the trial stage with BT and it will be Autumn :Yikes: before they will be available to other customers, that is if the trials are successful.

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*IF* during the day becomes a problem for users, because it's slow, due to bandwidth/download issues, then users will change their pattern to suit the quieter times. People do already know that while the states are asleep, download times are quicker etc etc

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Be realistic, the much loved 'average user' who downloads less than 3gb per month is never going to start checking email after midnight. Even if they did, we won't reach a point where the internet has ground to a halt due to p2p, certainly not any time soon.

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I regularly browse through the night and I'm not alone in doing that. What's wrong with that? Anyone using high amounts of bandwidth has the potential to affect the usage of others. If ISPs all move towards Day and Peaktime capping with an overnight free for all then that overnight time will become peaktime and the time congestion is more likely to occur.

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It's possible it could occur in the future, I agree. But, not as of now, or any time soon. Of course ISPs will continue to upgrade equipment, so who knows, that day may never come.

P.S. the people who download a lot of illegal software are also not alone, but browsing in the middle of the night does not make you an average customer, hence your needs should not be catered for, going by your earlier logic.

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I would assume that ISPs such as Nildram only have enough resources to satisfy their customer base needs and possibly not enough at times. I can remember Nildram having to borrow a block of IPs from another ISP because they couldn't cater for the demand. Only having 40,000 customers would mean that they haven't got massive resources in reserve and could soon get caught short with a shift in usage patterns and the suggested influx of NTL customers into the ADSL networks. I use less than 3Gb per month and last night I was checking emails at 1:00am, 3:20am and 5:30am, although the 5:30am check was aborted when there was a power cut which lasted until after 7:00am..

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No offense, but I trust Nildram's sums better than I trust your insanely 1 sided calculations. I don't see why it bothers you, you should be glad to see the back of heavy downloaders, why are you trying to convince people to stay with NTL? Also, I'm not one of those heavy downloaders.

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ISPs will continue to upgrade equipment if they can afford to, but can they?

You have quoted one bit of my signature so I'll quote another. "There is no such thing as the average man (or woman)." Think about it. :)
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Why are they insanely one sided? Just because they don't agree with your ideas doesn't make them wrong.

I am not trying to persaude anyone to stay with NTL, just trying to put balanced, researched points into a discussion that has too many badly thought out arguments. :)

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Yes, unless you can prove otherwise. (Yes I said PROVE. Speculations counts for nothing, not in this game)

So what user is NTL catering for? If there is no average user what are they basing all these figures on? Condescension does not constitute a thoughtful post.

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Have a look at the balance sheets of some of the ISPs, I have.

They are catering for the majority of their users, There are many posters have made that point, accept it.

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What are you even argueing? I'm really not sure anymore. You seem to be hellbent on proving EVERY ISP that doesn't heavily cap is wrong. Just let them get on with it, if they go out of business due to not listening to you, so be it. You can sit in your smug chair and know you proved them all wrong.

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Nothing of the sort. :) I'm using years of experience to give my views on what is happening and will happen. Capping is only one aspect that an ISP has to consider. There are many other things to take into consideration, particularly market share and competition. For some ISPs capping could be a business threatening option at this time.

Now if you want a sensible discussion let's continue with one and listen to each others points and take heed of them. If you only want to preach how bad NTL are and how they are so wrong in what they are doing then say your piece and have done with it.

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I would if I thought you had any intention of listening to what I was actually saying. :o

:edit: I thought that looked like a yawning smilie :p:

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I listen, evaluate and respond. :)

No need to feel embarrassed, there's more than you like to argue black is white. :D

Let's stick to sensible discussion now. :angel:

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Hi I can see that you two are very passionate about this.How about you two take this to PM's?

Otherwise if it gets too heated it will go the way of other cap threads and be closed as ian@huth knows only too well. :(

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Don't worry, it's pointless talking to him. I'm done for today. There's plenty of brickwalls I could be talking to in my home. [insert patronising smilie here]

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I have to say i agree with Hans, you've become a parody of yourself Ian@huth. You've defended ntl on everything you possibly can, in a lot of cases even when they can't be defended. You're the fanboy to beat all fanboys. :rolleyes:

You do have some good points, and you do know what you're talking about, but you don't listen to other peoples arguments, nor take them into consideration. In some cases those arguments are very good, and very well put. And most annoyingly, you sound like you'd die for ntl, rather than admit they've ever done anything wrong.

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D'you what's really bloody annoying is not the caps but the incredible crap thats spouted from so called experts from both sides.

The impression i've had from this and other cap threads is so many people are so far up their own backsides they can't see the wood for the trees.

I don't post here very often but i visit every day without fail and for a change i decided to put in my tuppence worth with what I thought was a reaonable assessment of the current situation as I see it. I thought, it would be good to turn this thread into something more positive so people might discuss something rather than bicker. PAH - my post was ignored and followed by a pair of bickering children who cannot agree to disagree and that is the way almost all threads on this subject seems to go.

I have to say i'm disappointed and will probably side step this whole cap thing and would urge the mods to look into this whole issue.

You don't exactly make new(ish) posters welcome do you? Make new people feel like posting on here instead of slating each other all the time. You never know one day you'll wake up to the fact that there is a life outside Ntl.

Jesus people - grow up!

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Enough-one more personal comment, & your posting rights will be suspended.

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:tu: :tu: :tu: :tu:

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Thats fine but theres a point when it becomes both personal and, for other readers, boring. Its what the pm system on most forums is used for. Frankly I don't really care what you say to each other behind a personal message system - it isn't my business - but I do OBJECT to putting up with this rubbish day in and day out.

Now can we PLEASE get back to hearing what others have to say about a way forward with this whole cap thing instead of all the technical nonsense. Don't forget there are lots of people on here who are not as technically minded as others and I for one would appreciate some common sense topical chat instead of the pages of cobblers served up recently


Thank you

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No offence, but you yourself are publicly taking this thread well of topic, instead of reporting it privately to one of the CF Team.

Anyway-let's get back to the cap discussion.....:zzz: ;)

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lol - quite right too!

;)

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maybe all cap threads should be banned until ntl release something concrete :erm:

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PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fantastic idea Paul. Have a greenie. :D

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:notopic: I couldn't agree more-it was me that decided to merge all cap discussions in one thread, & also all upgrade discussions into one thread, as I was sick of people just starting new threads all over the gaff. :rolleyes:

I would also personally ban all cap/upgrade threads until there is actually something to discuss.....:angel::notopic:

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Sorry if I was responsible for some of the rubbish you have been subjected to, my apologies.

I try not to be personal with my posting and try never to make a post that is a personal attack on another poster. I will look at what other posters are saying, think about it and respond if I think what has been posted is wrong in my opinion.

To be honest, the whole issue of caps has been done to death and there is very little that can be added to what has previously been said. I am surprised that anyone is actually bothering to look at the thread now. What common sense topical chat could be introduced into this thread to make it more acceptable?

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What about me? :bigcry:

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Yeah what about you ........ done something worth repping have we ????? huh huh huh
;)

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:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Go on the Neil, it's your site - close the damn thread!! :batty: pimp: :D :dmonk: :devsmoke:

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Most of anti cap people will probably disapear from here once we get the new speeds "till later in 2005" anyway :p

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As far as i can see, people talking about caps and the speed upgrade of ntl in the ntl forums is totally on-topic. After all these forums are for open discussion right?

As for banning the right to speak about it, what is this, some kind of nazi moderation? If you don't like it then why not just stay out of the threads? Are these boards for your own pleasure or for everybody?

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We can only hope.....

:bigcry:
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I think it's a tad unfair that the mods and admin have to waste, oops sorry, spend their time modding threads about fruitless repetitve subjects such as the cap. Have you really nothing better to discuss than that? :erm:

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I didn't realise moderating was meant to be fun. Considering that this is the biggest change to the end user one isp could do, i think its pretty important, yes.


It doesn't matter anyway. Looks like that 'battle' that has waged here
has been won, if that news in the other thread is true, looks like no capping for 2mb/3mb.

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If you close the cap you'll only end up with countless new posts by either new members or old ones wanting to raise new points (well new to them anyway). At least with these singular threads that encapsulate all things related, anyone who's not interested doesn't get bogged down with loads of boring threads getting in the way.

Most of the time everyone gets on fine, sometimes people get a bit heated, and if needed a mod steps in, it's been a very good thread in general.

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I agree jtwn - this is a very important subject and I can't believe some people want this thread closed, particularly in light of the new information obtained today which seems to suggest there will be no hard capping on the upper two tiers. And on the subject of personal insults, surely nobody is daft enough to take anything said on an internet forum personally?

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Compared to some forums i visit, this is mild in comparison, and moderated pretty generously.
As above, this thread would only be re-started [or ignited :)] somewhere else, and yes, it is important i think to see the thinking, and the whats and wherefores behind any cap.
Of course it gets heated at times, but a small tap on the shoulder by a mod is usually sufficient. ;)

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I'm sorry but your well out of order for that comment. We have not banned the right to discuss the caps have we? We feel like doing so because of the constant petty bickering, same old arguements but this thread is still open isn't it?

Also, I am not, nor is any of the other team members, on a par with a group of individuals responsible for mass murder. Believe it or not but we run this site so please also do not suggest to us, to keep out of threads if we don't like something we see.

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The way the team moderate this site is superb. It's among the best I've seen, and that's why it's become such well-known and massively popular and respected site in its field.

You only have to look at the 'competition' to see that.

Edit: Apart from that stupid 'post merge' thing anyway! :erm:

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bang out of order my friend , bang out of order ;)

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Don't flatter yourself, if you honestly think that anyone in control at ntl cares what a handful of people on a forum say about this you are delusional.

I have a pretty good idea of the reasons for this and they are in no way related to this bbs.

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You're wasting your breath Ig. I have spent much of the last week telling people that a couple of hundred forum members don't influence policy decisions for over a million customers, but I am weeing into the prevailing.

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right this makes thr third thread I've unsubscribed from tonight. :rolleyes:

bye!

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What do you think the reasons behind it are Ignition? Is it definite that there's been a change in ntl's thinking?