Windows 11 24H2 Enables Bitlocker by default
 

I foresee this being a nightmare unable to access their PCs

From what I can gather this will only be with clean installs and not an upgrade. I will be creating my install media with Rufus with bitlocker disabled

https://www.windowslatest.com/2024/0...on-by-default/

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Nice one Microsoft, make it even more likely that next year I get rid of Windows from my PC, it just depends on Bungie and their plans for Destiny 2 and possibly Destiny 3.

If Bungie add keyboard and mouse support to the Console version of Destiny 3 if it comes, then Windows will be ripped of this pc never to touch it again and a variant of Linux will be installed on it.

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Well the only game i play regularly is Elite Dangerous and thankfully it works fine on Linux. Will Microsoft give me the excuse to jump ship.

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It is easy enough to get around for those who know the score hence the reason for this post. No need for a knee jerk reaction

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It's not a knee jerk reaction. I have found Windows 11 to be at best about usable and at worst down right crap. I have a duel boot with Linux Mint which does everything windows does without the bloatware and adverts.

The only game i play all the time works perfectly in fact i get a higher frame rate. My PC boots quicker under Linux, it does not have all of the telemetry happening in the background that windows has, I can install software without the mandatory reboot you get with windows. I do think if more people were to try Linux they would find it no different to windows. As i pointed out the time for my complete move to Linux is gathering pace and on a personal level for me see no downsides to it.

Other peoples mileage may vary of coarse and linux is not for everyone. If people are happy to let Microsoft sell there data to the highest bidder good for them :)

As for work rounds

A. why should i have to.
B. Those who are not in the know or are not tech savvy what do they do.
C. Microsoft have a habit of removing work around's with every update which then forces more work arounds.

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TBH I do not see any ads and have all the telemetry disabled. It you install English international you get no bloatware and I run my games @1440p ultra on my 4070TI no issue. Have absolutely no issues with Windows 11. Gutted WSA is being retired though.

As you say mileages will vary. Last time I tried nix there were missing drivers and issues

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Whats the issue with bitlocker ?

I've had it on my work laptop for years without any problem.

I just enter a password (that I set) on startup, its not exactly rocket science.

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The issue here is it can be set automatically with a repair install and the user may not have access to the account. It will happen in a small amount of cases. The thing is to spread the warning so users can ensure they have all the details they need to recover the password/log in required just in case

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you can disable it with rufus when writing iso to usb

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The OP says that

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I would imagine you can also turn it off in windows settings.

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Not when you are doing a recovery

Possible scenario

User ungrades to 24H2 using Windows Update. This does not enable BitLocker as the system settings are migrated

Down the line the system crashes and the user uses system recovery to do a repair install. This moves existing windows into a backup folder and installs fresh windows even if you save settings and files I believe Bitlocker will then be enabled once the repair has finished

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I think you misunderstand, I mean once everything is installed and running.

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No knee jerk reaction mate, I have been saying the same thing with Windows 11 since they removed the ability to have a local account without needing to go round the houses to create one.

People should not need to have a Microsoft Account if they don't want to, people should not have to go and download possibly dangerous tools to turn off the data collection that Microsoft are doing in Windows 10 and Windows 11.

People should not have to pay for an Operating system only to be told they cannot run it how they want, without needing to purchase additional software or install backdoor hacks that mess with the Registry files in order to run it how you want to run it.


I also don't want to have to lose performance of my pc due to Microsoft supposedly wanting my PC to be "Secure" and also increasing the reads and writes on my SSD, which is what happens when you have Bitlocker enabled.


I am currently looking at creating a custom ISO or possibly installing a fresh copy of Windows and some other bit's then creating a "Install ISO" from that.

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There’s iirc four different ways you can store your recovery details and you’re prompted before encryption even starts to do so. As others have said it can be turned off via control panel or command line

It’s hardly the issue of the century

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while i agree the non tech savvy could be caught out i running latest 24H2 built on spare SSD running good so far

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You make it sound like it's nothing but it's one of the in my opinion biggest threats to a PC end user in recent history for those who are not "Tech Savvy"!

Not only does it not ask you whether you want it on or not, it is by "Default" FORCED on when you do a fresh install or recovery, if you do not know it has been enabled then you are going to lose data later down the line, remember Windows is more used by people who barely know how to install programmes never mind being able to find the location, of an Encryption key and how to use or back it up.

It also runs constantly in the background taking up resources potentially affecting the speed of less powerful machines with it's constant "Read/Write" task's, also affecting battery life, CPU lifetime, RAM usage etc.

With the increase in usage on the SSD you also get excess wear on the SSD because you have constant "Read/Write" task's more than usual meaning you are more than likely going to have an SSD fail sooner when Bitlocker is enabled that without it enabled, which also means if you didn't know Bitlocker was enabled so didn't backup your Encryption keys etc, then you lose ALL data on that drive potentially that machine as it may do all drives not just the Windows drive.

The next issue is this update also removes more way's of getting around the "Microsoft we want all your information account" requirement, so not only do they want to force your pc to be less reliable, more power hungry, more damaging to the environment, more wasteful, but they are still trying to find more ways to get your email address to link your details to your individual advertisement associated ID, which they use when they sell your details, your data is worth more when they can put a name and email address to an ID than it is with only an ID saying "This person just looks at car parts" instead of "This person looks at car parts, their name is X and they live in X City, they also like to look at Rings, listen to Rap, RNB, D&B, they like horror movies and sci-fi tv shows, they look at holidays in Spain, France, and America" you should add these adverts to their fakebook account and hit them with them whilst watching YouTube or looking at the news sites.

Now we are hearing about the whole next upgrade to Windows 11 which is just releasing on the ARM based systems using, the new Snapdragon CPU, which is the "Windows 11 Copilot+ Edition" which should spark fear in everyone's mind with what that thing is going to do!

Up to now I know it's looking like it's going to constantly backup all your keystrokes, all your clicks, all the programmes you use, all the videos you watch (titles), all the audio you listen to (titles), every document you open, every game you play etc etc all so that at any point, you can click on the "AI" menu and pull something back from a few minutes ago and it will pull it back exactly how you want it to because it's using snapshots, which is going to fill and kill your storage because it's doing it every 1 second!

Not only that but it will interact with everything you are doing, from telling you how to do something in a game potentially getting you banned for cheating, to how you should change your writing in order to not come across as "Offensive" because someone might get offended if you use the word "Stupid", or they might think you are being "Flirty" because you call someone "Good looking" etc.

Apparently this will be able to be turned off or limited in some aspects, but again for people who don't know how or where to do that, it's a threat to their privacy since you cannot guarantee it will stay local!

It will also when you ask the "AI/Copilot" to do something, contact the Microsoft servers to confirm it's "Ok", so those on limited data plans or bandwidth limited connections will see their bandwidth used up quicker.

Also, if your PC cannot provide enough TOPS "Ai Performance Measurement" then you cannot upgrade/update windows anymore, meaning you have to go and buy a whole new PC or add in a GPU/NPU in order to provide the TOPS required, this is as bad as the EU with the whole "We want you to scrap your car if it's 15 years old and needs new brakes" rule that they want to bring in!


Yes let's all just roll over, say it's not a big issue and let Microsoft force specific requirements on us to use our pc's, why do I need to have Bitlocker on my pc, what benefit is it ever going to provide me? same with a Microsoft account, what benefit is it every going to provide me?


At least Linux is closer to the point that I can dump Windows all together, at least on there you still have a choice about things and still have control over your system without needing to do work arounds.

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This weekend is the big test for me. Can I do everything I need to do with Linux.

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That’s a very long post and a very long protest

The facts are thus,

1. You’re prompted before any encryption takes place on how to store your recovery data and as before there are multiple ways to store that information.

2. It can be turned off very simply

You don’t like it ? Then as you say use a different OS. But let’s not blow the issue up out of all proportions

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To add

1. Why no bleating about macs with T2 ? Having encryption on by default (no, not file vault)
2. Why no bleating about Android or iOS encryption by default ?

It’s just MS bashing for the sake of MS bashing

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It's now hit the news

I know you can turn this off via various means but the question is why should i have to go out of my way to turn it off. It should be off by default and only on once you make the decision to turn it on is it on. What about those who are not tech Guro's and would not know how to turn it off. I don't trust Microsoft and never have, mark my words a year down the line there will be an update that lets them use the data for advertising revenue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwwqp6nx14o

I am going to be busy this weekend testing Linux, it was going to happen at some point and this is the kicker that has pushed it to the front of the things to do. I will go for ether Ubuntu or Mint.

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The answer to why should you have to go out of your way is very simple

You don’t own the software you own a license to use the software. That’s it

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SNIP Don't worry - once MS enable Recall, you can just ask China for a copy of everything you've looked at on your machine.

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need a NPU processor for that to work very few will be to use it

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Microsoft have opened a whole can of worms with the latest AI Screen shot feature

https://news.sky.com/story/controver...cerns-13152918

I am so glad my main PC at home is now running Linux Mint.