kissing cousins [Archive]

Bifta

31-12-2003, 12:39

Yes, it is legal to marry your 1st cousin, at least I know it is in Scotland so I presume it is in England and Wales. So there you go Cletus, I mean .. peachey, you'd best go sort your wedding details out.

Nor

31-12-2003, 12:42

They were doing alot more than kissing believe me !!!

Forget whish sitcom that came from ;) perhaps blackadder.

Russ

31-12-2003, 12:44

Bifta

31-12-2003, 12:49

Presumably it'll be a banjo player instead of an organist at the ceremony.

Graham

31-12-2003, 13:24

is it an offence to marry your 1st cousin?

Not in the UK, see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/consanguinity.html for more details.

(But you may have to hire a banjo player for the ceremony!)

(Addendum: Damn, Bifta beat me to it!)

what is the offence and what do they do to people who do this

As far as I can tell from a quick google and looking at pages like:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:KYaBAOLnfgMJ:www.laws.qmul.ac.uk/staff/downloads/Nullity_Lectures.ppt+Marriage+Act+1949+consanguini ty&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
there is no "offence" as such, but as soon as the consanguinous marriage is "detected" it is considered nullified "ab initio" ie legally it "never happened".

If the marriage had been consummated, there may well, however, have been an offence of incest.

idi banashapan

31-12-2003, 13:49

Presumably it'll be a banjo player instead of an organist at the ceremony.

dee dee ding ding ding ding ding ding diiiing!!!!!!

:D

Russ

31-12-2003, 17:14

Squeeeeel like a pig, boy :D

Ramrod

31-12-2003, 17:19

Squeeeeel like a pig, boy :D
*tsk*Talk about taking the romance out of this thread :rolleyes: :D :rofl:

Graham

31-12-2003, 17:38

*tsk*Talk about taking the romance out of this thread :rolleyes: :D :rofl:

Now now, what Russ gets up to in his private life is his own business...!! :D :angel: :naughty: :D

Flubflow

31-12-2003, 17:52

I think they should call in the law on the nearby "singlemotherskankville" estate near us. I'm sure the biological parents are are all interelated over there. Mongs from the planet Ming.

Paul K

31-12-2003, 18:02

Squeeeeel like a pig, boy :D :no: So many things that can be said here but hey, it's New Years Eve so I shall let you off :rofl:

Sociable

31-12-2003, 18:03

not that I am thinking of doing it

but is it an offence to marry your 1st cousin?

what is the offence and what do they do to people
who do this

Actually I think it should have been illegal to marry my first wife but at least I got off after serving 20 years (for good behaviour before anyone asks) and so made my in-laws outlaws instead. :)

The existing laws are basically just a curious mix of genetic protection and percieved morality but also have their roots in ancient property law as well I think.

idi banashapan

31-12-2003, 19:00

not that I am thinking of doing it

but is it an offence to marry your 1st cousin?

what is the offence and what do they do to people
who do this

sorry - i can't hold back from asking this question any more, but -

is this one of those "I have this friend, right...." questions???

Xaccers

31-12-2003, 19:08

Not in the UK, see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/consanguinity.html for more details.

Consanguinity is basically "how close are you related?". Laws to prevent consanguinity (in other words, "don't marry your sister"), have been passed down from ancient times. The Marriage Act 1949 as amended by the Marriage (Enabling) Act 1960 establishes this list:

generally, uncles may not marry nieces, nor aunts their nephews
first cousins may wed
and a woman may marry her husband's brother, uncle or nephew if her marrige has ended by death or divorce.

It's that last line that gets me. Other than death or divorce, how else can a marrige end?

paulyoung666

31-12-2003, 19:08

sorry - i can't hold back from asking this question any more, but -

is this one of those "I have this friend, right...." questions???

me wonders the same :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Graham

31-12-2003, 23:08

It's that last line that gets me. Other than death or divorce, how else can a marrige end?

As mentioned in my previous message, if a marriage is deemed consanguinious, it is automatically ended.

Russ

31-12-2003, 23:10

But of course, to many these days, marriage is merely an inconvenience.....

Sociable

31-12-2003, 23:19

But of course, to many these days, marriage is merely an inconvenience.....

No Russ it's an "institution"

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but then again who want's to live in an instituition. LOL

Sorry very old joke just couldn't resist. :)

Ramrod

31-12-2003, 23:36

Mongs from the planet Ming.Shouldn't that be minge? :D

Ramrod

31-12-2003, 23:37

It's that last line that gets me. Other than death or divorce, how else can a marrige end?Memory loss?? :disturbd: :rofl:

Theodoric

02-01-2004, 15:52

Squeeeeel like a pig, boy :D
Is that a quote from Deliverance? :)

Theodoric

02-01-2004, 16:22

On a related topic, until sometime well into the 19th Century it was illegal for a man to marry his dead wife's sister. It took quite a campaign before the law was changed.

PS To head of any witty replies at the pass. Yes, I realise that you still cannot marry your dead wife's sister if she is under 16, already married or dead as well.

peachey

02-01-2004, 16:25

But of course, to many these days, marriage is merely an inconvenience.....

and, as they say, as marriages are made in heaven that's probably why they do not work on earth

Bifta

02-01-2004, 17:17

Shouldn't that be minge? :D

Minge .. what a great word, and so rarely used nowadays

dilli-theclaw

02-01-2004, 17:24

My cousin is drop dead %100 gorgeous.

Ramrod

02-01-2004, 17:26

My cousin is drop dead %100 gorgeous.
Several of mine were, then they balooned to vast proportions :eek:
.....wierd :confused:

DrAwesome

02-01-2004, 22:31

Several of mine were, then they balooned to vast proportions :eek:
.....wierd :confused:

Top, middle or bottom?

Mal

02-01-2004, 22:34

Top, middle or bottom?
Are you playing Strike it lucky? :)

Paul K

02-01-2004, 22:34

Top, middle or bottom?
Strike it lucky? :naughty: :p

Russ

02-01-2004, 22:37

This thread is getting freaky now....

DrAwesome

02-01-2004, 22:38

Strike it lucky? :naughty: :p

no probably whale meat again

Scarlett

02-01-2004, 22:43

not that I am thinking of doing it

but is it an offence to marry your 1st cousin?

what is the offence and what do they do to people who do this

1) Question, does that mean that you HAVE :eek: done it ?

2) Apparently not in East Anglia, at least in the fens :D :D

3) I suppose it kinda depends on if the families are speaking, if your lucky you'll get away with having to spend christmas with a famly that all look very similar...

:Oh: Oh :Oh:, we're supposed to be serious about this. Erm, can some one chuck me a friking bone here ?

No ?

okay, well I suppose as long as you don't get caught...

Scarlett

02-01-2004, 22:44

no probably whale meat again

so, whale meat again, don't know where, don't know when...

DrAwesome

02-01-2004, 22:54

so, whale meat again, don't know where, don't know when...

to some excessive obesity is a turn off

Scarlett

02-01-2004, 23:06

to some excessive obesity is a turn off

Maybe so, but not to me.

It depends what the person is actually like as a person. In 40 Years time, do you want to be with someone who looked stunning 30 years ago but is a bitch or someone who looked fine then (and still does) but is kind and understanding. (although probabbly not in the area of rolling at 3 am in the morning drunk!)

Marge

02-01-2004, 23:24

DrAwesome

02-01-2004, 23:40

Maybe so, but not to me.

It depends what the person is actually like as a person. In 40 Years time, do you want to be with someone who looked stunning 30 years ago but is a bitch or someone who looked fine then (and still does) but is kind and understanding. (although probabbly not in the area of rolling at 3 am in the morning drunk!)

People look for different attractions what is a turn off for some maybe not a turn off for others.

I for one would never consider or think of dating any of my cousins weather she was fit, ugly fat, skinny, mental challenged or if she rolled in at 3am drunk.

dating outside the family i would say looks are not that important but a bonus, everybody has a darkside it just depends how dark it is..

Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder :naughty:

oh!
so you look at the mantel peice first

me off for bath now light is working :tu:

dont forget to wash behind your ears and wash that tide mark off your neck :)

Marge

02-01-2004, 23:44

I went to my nephews christening recently and lots of family members there who I haven't seen in ages. Saw this luverly bloke and was thinking "wow" did a double take and realised it was actually my cousin and then felt really strange cos you can't lust after a relative :erm:

Scarlett

02-01-2004, 23:53

I for one would never consider or think of dating any of my cousins weather she was fit, ugly fat, skinny, mental challenged or if she rolled in at 3am drunk.

Now my cousins are all 10-15 years older than me so that was never a problem ! However I am now an uncle (Unfourtunatly, I'm probably that uncle that every one holds up as an example of the person you sould never talk to*)

* Long hair + beard + roleplayer, my nephew always runs away from me! but then I am the only person with a beard that my nephew ever see's and that isn't that often so hopefully that explains it.

Stuart

03-01-2004, 00:09

but is it an offence to marry your 1st cousin?

I believe that in parts of the UK (as well as parts of the USA), it is positively encouraged...

Bifta

03-01-2004, 00:30

I believe that in parts of the UK (as well as parts of the USA), it is positively encouraged...

Forest of Dean for example :D

Paul K

03-01-2004, 01:08

1) Question, does that mean that you HAVE :eek: done it ?

2) Apparently not in East Anglia, at least in the fens :D :D

3) I suppose it kinda depends on if the families are speaking, if your lucky you'll get away with having to spend christmas with a famly that all look very similar...

:Oh: Oh :Oh:, we're supposed to be serious about this. Erm, can some one chuck me a friking bone here ?

No ?

okay, well I suppose as long as you don't get caught...
East Anglia? OI! :mad: :p

Jerrek

03-01-2004, 02:07

1) Question, does that mean that you HAVE :eek: done it ?
Well, I have kissed my cousin. I have also kissed many of my friends, male of female. I don't see anything wrong about it, nor anything sexual. Afterall, you've kissed your mom, right?

Marge

03-01-2004, 02:10

Jerrek

03-01-2004, 02:12

Thats a tad different. And I wouldn't kiss any family member that way, not even my fourth cousin. It just bothers me. But other guys and gals? Sure, why not...

Graham

03-01-2004, 02:21

(Unfourtunatly, I'm probably that uncle that every one holds up as an example of the person you sould never talk to)

As the saying has it:

"We are the people our parents warned us about!"

DrAwesome

03-01-2004, 11:26

Thats a tad different. And I wouldn't kiss any family member that way, not even my fourth cousin. It just bothers me. But other guys and gals? Sure, why not...

I guess in some countries and maybe in some high class areas of the UK its the norm (if you stuck your tongue down someone throat in Scotland the only kiss you would get in return is the Glasgow kiss)

I certainly wouldnt kiss any member of the family uncles, aunts, cousins etc (inc my mother) or any person of the same sex (male) on the lips as my bread & butter is not buttered on both sides.. yuk!!!

kronas

05-01-2004, 04:20

Well, I have kissed my cousin. I have also kissed many of my friends, male of female. I don't see anything wrong about it, nor anything sexual. Afterall, you've kissed your mom, right?

:erm:

thats not really acceptable in the world really, some would say that incest is creeping in, sure it might have been 'just a kiss', but things can go further....

and a kiss on the cheek to your mother is very much diffarent to a full on liplock or a tounge down your throat which ever way you prefer!!!

SMHarman

05-01-2004, 12:48

East Anglia? OI! :mad: :p

Isn't that East Angular and thats abroad innit?

Xaccers

05-01-2004, 12:59

Actually, go back a few generations or so and you'll probably find incest in your family.

back in those days, when wives tended to die alot from childbirth, the eldest daughter would take on the role of mother and wife. That's the whole role of wife!

Jerrek

05-01-2004, 16:57

I have no sexual attraction to any family member, even fourth cousin removed twice blah. It really, really, really bothers me and not even viagra will fix it.

kronas

05-01-2004, 17:43

Actually, go back a few generations or so and you'll probably find incest in your family.

i see no evidence of that happening, but i have heard before, that incest in those days did happen.

Ramrod

05-01-2004, 17:45

i see no evidence of that happening, but i have heard before, that incest in those days did happen.Happens a lot these days as well :(
(no, I have no personal experience of that, just what social workers have told me)

kronas

05-01-2004, 18:04

Happens a lot these days as well :(
(no, I have no personal experience of that, just what social workers have told me)

i dont know really, as i dont talk to social workers, but its not a subject that you would talk about.....normally.............

Sociable

05-01-2004, 18:17

Happens a lot these days as well :(
(no, I have no personal experience of that, just what social workers have told me)

Sadly true. :(

kronas

05-01-2004, 18:26

Sadly true. :(

i would just like to clarify one thing, i did not mean it does not happen full stop, what i meant was, a few generations ago it may have been common compaired to now

Sociable

05-01-2004, 18:33

i would just like to clarify one thing, i did not mean it does not happen full stop, what i meant was, a few generations ago it may have been common compaired to now

I wish that were the case kronas but sadly the statistics actually show the figures remain alarmingly similar over time. The published stats actually show a marked increase at one time but this was largely due to increased awareness and reporting but the underlying trends have remained fairly constant. :(

Sociable

05-01-2004, 18:37

i dont know really, as i dont talk to social workers, but its not a subject that you would talk about.....normally.............

Well in a way you have at least since I joined in this thread. LOL

kronas

05-01-2004, 18:41

Well in a way you have at least since I joined in this thread. LOL

:D

i suppose the reason i thought that it was not common anymore, was because its not one of those things that figures are not shown, unless you go in to it and know someone in that proffession

do you have any links ?

Sociable

05-01-2004, 18:47

:D

i suppose the reason i thought that it was not common anymore, was because its not one of those things that figures are not shown, unless you go in to it and know someone in that proffession

do you have any links ?

Will have a dig around when I get a chance and see if I can find some later OK.

kronas

05-01-2004, 18:51

Will have a dig around when I get a chance and see if I can find some later OK.

thanks :)

Sociable

05-01-2004, 19:22

Ok here is a site with some basic stats:

http://www.cwasu.org/factsonsac1.htm#Some%20Basic%20Statistics%20on%20D omestic%20Violence:

Be aware that this is a very complex and disturbing area to research and may well trigger strong emotions so view with care.

Historical data is harder to find not least because the deffinitions of what constitutes abuse have changed over the years but I will see if I can find some useful info on that too.