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kronas
29-11-2003, 02:09
ok first off i apologise to the mods it may seem an odd post/thread feel free to delete this.......

over the past month or so (maybe a bit longer) i have noticed a change in my attitude mainly my actions offline as well as online i have come up against something which i cant put my finger on.............

looking back at my posts prior to this problem i was very 'chatty' in threads whilst also sticking to the more serious factual debate such as religion starting up some interesting threads sticking to fact as well as the 'ice breaking' comments

now it seems all (or most) posts are off topic a comment here and there losing the ability to think things through correctly a loss of concentration an inability to understand and comment on news items take information in using the vocabulary that i have within myself as well as being really quiet offline which is me anyway but not that much

and not reacting to things i normally would such as someone commenting ona avril that seems to have a 'numb' affect on me

oh yeh and not to mention the huge amount of typos in spelling and sentence construction

im sorry to put ths on here but i have no one else to communcate with me that would understand possibly :shrug:

th'engineer
29-11-2003, 08:23
i have come up against something which i cant put my finger on.............Now your not talking about avril again are you:naughty:
commenting ona avril that seems to have a 'numb' affect on me You might have gone off avril did this start after the manc meet ;) it could not be feelings to others

im sorry to put ths on here but i have no one else to communcate with me that would understand possibly :shrug:
Think you need another night out with NEIL and the team

Neil
29-11-2003, 09:54
Now your not talking about avril again are you:naughty:
You might have gone off avril did this start after the manc meet ;) [/size] it could not be feelings to others


Think you need another night out with NEIL and the team

Good idea.....:naughty:

homealone
29-11-2003, 10:30
Hi Kronas

First impression is that you are thinking more about what you do, rather than just doing it - and that is part of getting older & wiser.

At the Manc meeting you came across as a really nice guy & I don't think that has changed - maybe th'eng & Neil are right, we need to all get together again & encourage you to 'let your hair down' a bit.;)

kronas
29-11-2003, 15:02
Hi Kronas

First impression is that you are thinking more about what you do, rather than just doing it - and that is part of getting older & wiser.



:shrug: im in a world of confusion right now



At the Manc meeting you came across as a really nice guy & I don't think that has changed - maybe th'eng & Neil are right, we need to all get together again & encourage you to 'let your hair down' a bit.;)

maybe i do need to get out more :shrug:


Now your not talking about avril again are you:naughty:
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no im serious :rolleyes:



it could not be feelings to others


ofcourse not i like some of you on here that i met at the meet i think ;)


You might have gone off avril did this start after the manc meet ;)


no i have not gone off her........


Think you need another night out with NEIL and the team

that could do the trick :shrug:

Ramrod
29-11-2003, 15:07
Kronas have you had any other changes that you've noticed?
Headaches? Visual problems? Change in appetite? I've forgotten, how old are you?

kronas
29-11-2003, 15:11
Kronas have you had any other changes that you've noticed?
Headaches? Visual problems? Change in appetite? I've forgotten, how old are you?

ive increased my food intake as you may remember i had eating problems

Ramrod
29-11-2003, 15:18
Any other changes? In personality or health.

....btw...how long ago did you increase your food intake and do you eat junk or healthy?

Maggy
29-11-2003, 15:34
Hi kronas.

It could just be that the winter is arriving.Many folk get depressed in the winter(I'm one of them) and in fact there is a recognized sunshine deficiency condition referred to as SAD syndrome.However I don't think you have that.People suffering frrom this might well feel suicidal and have all sorts of problems that indicate a serious condition.

What I think you may have is what many people go through from time to time.It's a sort of bored samo,samo feeling that you are in a rut,going nowhere and life has lost it's gloss.It won't last long and eventually it will disappear when something tickles your interest again.

If it does go on it might be time to evaluate if you have depression or that you need to make some life changes.For some this may be a new job or a rethink about a relationship,possibly taking a stab at some training or even continuing with further education.

Hope this helps.

Incog. :ghugs:

kronas
29-11-2003, 16:17
Hi kronas.

It could just be that the winter is arriving.Many folk get depressed in the winter(I'm one of them) and in fact there is a recognized sunshine deficiency condition referred to as SAD syndrome.However I don't think you have that.People suffering frrom this might well feel suicidal and have all sorts of problems that indicate a serious condition.


i dont think its that as im happy to stay inside or go out it doesent bother me


What I think you may have is what many people go through from time to time.It's a sort of bored samo,samo feeling that you are in a rut,going nowhere and life has lost it's gloss.It won't last long and eventually it will disappear when something tickles your interest again.


im not thinking like that


If it does go on it might be time to evaluate if you have depression or that you need to make some life changes.For some this may be a new job or a rethink about a relationship,possibly taking a stab at some training or even continuing with further education.

Hope this helps.

Incog.

i was thinking about a job actually.........

thanks for the hug

kronas
29-11-2003, 16:18
Any other changes? In personality or health.


yes to personality i dont seem as willing to talk to people oh and staying in one place is a problem even if im just there for 5 mins :shrug:



....btw...how long ago did you increase your food intake and do you eat junk or healthy?

i would say about 2 months ago instead of lasting between 2-5 days without eating its now eating atleast once perhaps twice a day

most of it is unhealthy food really i was looking to maybe change that........


Kronas,

The weather is terrible, you're stuck inside. As you have said before, you are somewhat alienated from other members of your faith.


thats not relevant i get on well with anyone so long as they dont intrude on me in the ways i have discussed before........


Perhaps your life at present isn't as good as you feel that it should be BUT


of course i want to chnage my life slightly hopefully i can do that soon


You are young, You are getting an education. Things will improve. The weather will eventually improve and with it your appetite for life.


i dont think its weather related i still get out more then i ever used to nowadays


Come on, Kronas, you have made some good friends on the forum. Life will get better (except for April Lasagne). Please don't let depression take over. Try to think positive. If necessary look for a NEW HOBBY or perhaps a new goal in life. You can do it if you really try. Best Wishes.

and thanks to the freinds who have talked to me on msn as well as trying to help me on here

dieselking
29-11-2003, 17:16
Kronie

Did u start going to college in September, soimetimes that can take a bit of getting use to because it can be a big change in life :) :)

Ramrod
29-11-2003, 17:38
Kronas, it could be that you need to finally start eating well (and more often) in order to improve your mood. If you are malnourished it will have an affect on your personality. Or it could just be (as others have suggested) that it's just a depressing time of year.

Of course it could also be something else in your life thats affecting your mood that none of us here know about...

paulyoung666
29-11-2003, 17:50
Kronas, it could be that you need to finally start eating well (and more often) in order to improve your mood. If you are malnourished it will have an affect on your personality. Or it could just be (as others have suggested) that it's just a depressing time of year.

Of course it could also be something else in your life thats affecting your mood that none of us here know about...



mind you i reckon you are right about eating well , i try as much as i can to eat proper meals , i feel much better than when i eat crap :)

Ramrod
29-11-2003, 17:56
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8123-910938,00.html
Probably not strictly applicable to you Kronas but it emphasises the importance of eating well.

Bex
29-11-2003, 18:05
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8123-910938,00.html
Probably not strictly applicable to you Kronas but it emphasises the importance of eating well.

very very interesting article.....thanks for posting that huni

paulyoung666
29-11-2003, 18:09
very very interesting article.....thanks for posting that huni



i would have a look at it but it wont open for me :mad:

Bex
29-11-2003, 18:11
i would have a look at it but it wont open for me :mad:

want me to copy and paste it into a pm????

paulyoung666
29-11-2003, 18:16
want me to copy and paste it into a pm????


if you dont mind , t/y :)

Ramrod
29-11-2003, 18:16
very very interesting article.....thanks for posting that huninp, good diet is a passion of ours.

kronas
29-11-2003, 22:08
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8123-910938,00.html
Probably not strictly applicable to you Kronas but it emphasises the importance of eating well.


thats very interesting maybe there is some defficency problem...........

Kronas, it could be that you need to finally start eating well (and more often) in order to improve your mood. If you are malnourished it will have an affect on your personality. Or it could just be (as others have suggested) that it's just a depressing time of year.


or maybe its had the opposite affect on me :shrug:


Of course it could also be something else in your life thats affecting your mood that none of us here know about...

nope not that i can think of

Kronie

Did u start going to college in September, soimetimes that can take a bit of getting use to because it can be a big change in life :) :)


had to leave due to my health being sporadic

kronas
29-11-2003, 22:49
ok any suggestions on what i should do ramrod if that article is correct ?

cut my intake of food ?

'balance' my diet somehow (wouldnt know where to start)

Ramrod
29-11-2003, 22:50
or maybe its had the opposite affect on me :shrug:



Unlikely, unless you are eating complete sh*t....

homealone
29-11-2003, 22:54
had to leave due to my health being sporadic

sorry to hear that - did they ask you to leave, or did you decide yourself? The reason I'm asking is because I would have thought they would have options available for e.g. 'distance learning' - so long as you keep handing in your assignments & display a grasp of the subject that meets the standard, I can't see why you shouldn't pass?

kronas
29-11-2003, 22:58
sorry to hear that - did they ask you to leave, or did you decide yourself? The reason I'm asking is because I would have thought they would have options available for e.g. 'distance learning' - so long as you keep handing in your assignments & display a grasp of the subject that meets the standard, I can't see why you shouldn't pass?


they said i had to be in the college to do the course if i missed any of the lessons i would be kicked out i went for a week but could not stand the pain i was getting everyday so i had to quit currently looking for part time work there a few positions im looking in to on monday one has said to come back later this week to pick up an application form as its a newly opened place (well opens toomrorow)

Bex
29-11-2003, 23:00
well good luck with that babes, that might help (getting a job) :kiss:

homealone
29-11-2003, 23:09
ok any suggestions on what i should do ramrod if that article is correct ?

cut my intake of food ?

'balance' my diet somehow (wouldnt know where to start)

try reading some of the stuff at

http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/

I would put it a close second to the BBC as my favourite website

except for this one, of course:cool:

Ramrod
29-11-2003, 23:15
ok any suggestions on what i should do ramrod if that article is correct ?

cut my intake of food ?

'balance' my diet somehow (wouldnt know where to start)Eat little and often (every 2-3 hrs) and cut out as much refined sugar and caffeine as possible (in order to decrease any sugar 'highs/lows' and hence mood swings)
Try to eat 'healthy' food, in your case start off gently with food that has as little cr*p in it as possible- colourings, E-numbers (though some arn't bad). Try to get some essential fatty acids down you as well (maby get some cod liver oil capsules). While your at it, get a good multi vitamin as well ('Quest' are quite good)
There is a lot more but you should start off gently otherwise you will probably never carry on with it all.....:D

Sociable
29-11-2003, 23:17
First of all an apology Kronas I thought I was being clever in the "Avril" thread had I known you were going through a rough patch I wouldn't have been so cruel.

Most people underestimate the the effect change has on us kronas and particularly the stress that always brings with it. Hence my apology for adding to your stress with my post.

Even small changes like getting back to college can carry a degree of stress far higher than you appreciate especially with the particular pressure that seems to have been applied by them regarding attendance. And I'm betting you probably have a few other things adding to the stress too so that even small things are like that final straw to the camel's back at times like this.

I'm betting most of the eating problems are more to do with you trying to get a degree of control over at least one aspect of your life right now.

I would suggest having a chat with your doc and seeing if he can make a referral to a good dietitian to help out on the healthy eating stuff but also open up a bit about the stress you have been under lately even if it seems insignificant to you that will help him help you to find ways to reduce that stress and regain control over your day to day stuff.

Anyways Hope this helps and hang in there things will get back to normal, main thing is not to beat yourself up about not feeling yourself right now OK.

:ghugs:

P.S.
Here is a little anti-stress device I use when life seems out of whack which may help it's simply reading this poem.

DESIDERATA

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull & ignorant; they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become bitter or vain, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all it's sham drudgery and broken dreams it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful, Strive to be happy.

(MAX EHRMANN)

kink
29-11-2003, 23:23
WILL phone you tomorrow. Promise.

Didn't know you were lost.... probably won't help you find your way.... but will hold your hand for a while and see where you want to go.

Stuart
30-11-2003, 00:09
Kronas, I can't really offer any help other than what has been offered here but to wish you good luck whatever happens.

Regarding college: Isn't there some sort of help they can give? I realise you are not actually disabled, but have you talked to the disability advisor. They may be able to advise you on alternatives to attending lectures (studying at home for instance). You may also be able to get their help if you decide to appeal the college's decision to kick you out.

But, whatever you do, I hope you feel better and I hope you enjoy it.

dieselking
30-11-2003, 01:28
Kronie, there are loads of courses that u can do at home (both off & on line). If u do want to carry on with an educational course maybe u could do one at home, there are loads of subjects that u could choose from :)

kronas
30-11-2003, 01:38
First of all an apology Kronas I thought I was being clever in the "Avril" thread had I known you were going through a rough patch I wouldn't have been so cruel.

Most people underestimate the the effect change has on us kronas and particularly the stress that always brings with it. Hence my apology for adding to your stress with my post.

Even small changes like getting back to college can carry a degree of stress far higher than you appreciate especially with the particular pressure that seems to have been applied by them regarding attendance. And I'm betting you probably have a few other things adding to the stress too so that even small things are like that final straw to the camel's back at times like this.

I'm betting most of the eating problems are more to do with you trying to get a degree of control over at least one aspect of your life right now.

I would suggest having a chat with your doc and seeing if he can make a referral to a good dietitian to help out on the healthy eating stuff but also open up a bit about the stress you have been under lately even if it seems insignificant to you that will help him help you to find ways to reduce that stress and regain control over your day to day stuff.

Anyways Hope this helps and hang in there things will get back to normal, main thing is not to beat yourself up about not feeling yourself right now OK.

:ghugs:


ive always struggled in my life with regards to my health but when it starts changing your personailty and digs you in a hole which you cant seem to get out of i cant let it control me

the eating problems arent new its been going on for years prior to them i was a happy person i still am i just learned to live with it but its affecting my socialising being able to think correctly i had a horrible day today (saturday)



try reading some of the stuff at

http://www.foodstandards.gov.uk/

I would put it a close second to the BBC as my favourite website

except for this one, of course:cool:


will do thanks :)

Eat little and often (every 2-3 hrs) and cut out as much refined sugar and caffeine as possible (in order to decrease any sugar 'highs/lows' and hence mood swings)
Try to eat 'healthy' food, in your case start off gently with food that has as little cr*p in it as possible- colourings, E-numbers (though some arn't bad). Try to get some essential fatty acids down you as well (maby get some cod liver oil capsules). While your at it, get a good multi vitamin as well ('Quest' are quite good)
There is a lot more but you should start off gently otherwise you will probably never carry on with it all.....:D


i cant say i can stick with the 2-3 hours eating idea but i can give the vitamins etc a go thanks alot for your help ramrod its very much appreciated rep point has been despatched to you

kronas
30-11-2003, 01:42
Kronie, there are loads of courses that u can do at home (both off & on line). If u do want to carry on with an educational course maybe u could do one at home, there are loads of subjects that u could choose from :)

yes i have looked in to learn direct, open university but im choosing to find a job to actually experiance the workplace i just need something to happen right first

WILL phone you tomorrow. Promise.

Didn't know you were lost.... probably won't help you find your way.... but will hold your hand for a while and see where you want to go.

ok......

Ramrod
30-11-2003, 21:41
i cant say i can stick with the 2-3 hours eating idea but i can give the vitamins etc a go thanks alot for your help ramrod its very much appreciated rep point has been despatched to youNo need but tnx m8. Even if you cannot eat every 2-3 hours at least try to follow the rest of the dietary advice- low sugar, healthy food, no caffeine. Alcohol might also be one to avoid, if you drink it.
This (http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/detail/943523.html) is the supplement I was thinking of. I don't take it myself because I get a balanced diet but it would probably be good for you to take it.

kronas
30-11-2003, 22:06
No need but tnx m8. Even if you cannot eat every 2-3 hours at least try to follow the rest of the dietary advice- low sugar, healthy food, no caffeine. Alcohol might also be one to avoid, if you drink it.
This (http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/detail/943523.html) is the supplement I was thinking of. I don't take it myself because I get a balanced diet but it would probably be good for you to take it.


would it be useful to take the cod liver oil capsules seperately or just take that suppliment with the guidelines stated ?

Ramrod
30-11-2003, 22:19
would it be useful to take the cod liver oil capsules seperately or just take that suppliment with the guidelines stated ?I'd take them seperately. This (http://www.highernature.co.uk/cgi-bin/hn.storefront) is good. *edit* look for omega 3 fish oil on the site.

paulyoung666
30-11-2003, 22:21
@ kronas , i might have missed this but have you thought about going to see your g.p. , if you have got a good one they are worth there weight in gold , believe me i know , maybe it is just another avenue to consider :)

kronas
01-12-2003, 02:16
@ kronas , i might have missed this but have you thought about going to see your g.p. , if you have got a good one they are worth there weight in gold , believe me i know , maybe it is just another avenue to consider :)


yes i have an excellent GP since i was born he knows my problems and my family really well im just not comfortable with explaining to him me not having a good 'feeling' with doctors due to previous experiances

I'd take them seperately. This (http://www.highernature.co.uk/cgi-bin/hn.storefront) is good. *edit* look for omega 3 fish oil on the site.

thanks will look in to buying some from a chemist if not ill have to ask someone who has a credit card

your help has been greatly appreciated

handyman
01-12-2003, 02:40
I think that manchester did change your attitude abit towards the forum members and I do recall you happily knocking back you whole pizza with no problems.

Another manchester meeting, I'm game for that, had a blast that evening and I certainly changed my thinking with regard to certain forum members.

I'm certain you had fun that evening, your smiling your chops off in all the pix despite us taking them. You where all 'anti-pix' of you before and I hope we did a bit to boost you self-confidence.

Hope all is well soon in the world of kronas.
hm

kronas
01-12-2003, 02:47
I think that manchester did change your attitude abit towards the forum members and I do recall you happily knocking back you whole pizza with no problems.


nope it has not changed my attitude towards anyone thats not how i am im still the same kronas......well not that kronas for now.......untill i sort myslef out

with regards to the pizza going over 24 hours without eating i had to eat something :shrug:



Another manchester meeting, I'm game for that, had a blast that evening and I
certainly changed my thinking with regard to certain forum members.


yep im up for it just not while im not 100% 'there'


I'm certain you had fun that evening, your smiling your chops off in all the pix despite us taking them. You where all 'anti-pix' of you before and I hope we did a bit to boost you self-confidence.


i was happy that was me, im not smileing right now this is not me im usally quite confident i have my silly moments but hey you have to have a laugh sometimes

and the anti picture taking i hate it but i let people do it in the end



Hope all is well soon in the world of kronas.
hm

thanks i hope so too