Ignitionnet
19-02-2011, 23:35
Just asking if you guys could take a look at http://trag-sos.moonfruit.com/#
This wound me up so much I went on the following rant:
What a surprise, all the 'Save Our Skyline' photos seem to be people in their late 40s and up complaining about *their* town. Stuff all the people who can't afford to buy in the area as they are priced out, stuff the housing shortages, we're alright Jack.
It's no wonder the town is stuck in the 70s with people queuing up to ensure it stays there. I cannot afford to buy here due to only just making a 6-figure income and you've the nerve to complain about your skyline.
You have an extremely messed up set of priorities matched only by your profound sense of self-interest. It's no wonder there is a noted and long-standing housing shortage in this Borough with people like you lining up to complain whenever a developer has the nerve to build where you don't want them to.
The unfortunate thing is, of course, that you have far more time to complain about these things than I do to support them - regrettably I have to spend a lot of time at work to pay my rent - the one inflated massively by the housing shortage your attitudes exacerbate.
I am frankly really rather fed up of the same old (in more ways than one) demographic messing things up in this area. Low-rise is not viable, the housing will cost too much and will deliver too few homes to have any significant difference.
Of course maybe that's the plan, you guys can spend some of your probably government provided equity buying these low-rise properties up, as first time buyers will have no chance, and then rent them out. Everyone is happy. Well, you are happy and that's what matters, right?
The response from the admin of the Facebook page was:
Carl why not move to Croydon there are lots of lovely tower blocks there. They must be cheap being there are so many for you to choose from.
Please look at the actual plans as on their site - http://trag-sos.moonfruit.com/#/station-images/4543932357
Google Streetview of existing site (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Regal+House&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=Regal+House&hnear=Twickenham,+Middlesex+TW1+1RT&cid=0,0,12709282033457502987&ei=fz9gTdnzLsGo8QOfrJRa&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=5&ved=0CEYQnwIwBA)
And of course the campaigners (http://trag-sos.moonfruit.com/#/meet-us/4543932361)
Am I being inconsiderate or are they being NIMBYs? If you have a wander through Twickenham it's dilapidated, old fashioned, a 70s wreck of a life support system for the two stadiums.
As far as housing goes thanks to the same NIMBYs being in charge at the council anything over 3 storeys can only happen in a couple of sites, and despite huge issues with supply, acknowledged, restrictions have increased.
4.1.12 The Borough’s housing is mainly in owner-occupation (68% according to the 2001 Census), with 15% rented privately, and 12% rented from a housing association. Affordability is a key issue, with house prices considerably higher than the London average. With the exception of the City, Richmond upon Thames has the highest average household income (£47,418, Paycheck 2007 CACI) of any London borough, but the ratio between earnings and house prices is such that first time buyers are unable to afford even the least expensive properties in the Borough. Affordability can have an impact in terms of overcrowding and poor quality housing, and also for the recruitment and retention of key workers, essential for delivering local services.
Meanwhile their approach to resolving this issue:
Taller Buildings will be inappropriate in all areas of the borough except the identified areas within Twickenham and Richmond (Maps 2 and 3).
Twickenham (Supplementary Policy Document published with detailed design guidance)
On the station - buildings up to 4/5 storeys at the highest point and should step down to 2/3 storeys towards Cole Park Road,
On the Sorting Office – buildings up to 4/5 storeys at the highest point and should step down towards the west end of the site to 3 storeys and 2/3 storeys towards Heatham House, whose setting should be respected.
On Station Yard buildings should not exceed 3/4 storeys to prevent adverse impacts on the residential context
On garages in Mary’s Terrace buildings should not exceed 2.5 storeys with development on the front of the site in line with existing houses in Mary’s Terrace.
I'm off on a bit of a rant. Should I just accept it or carry on doing what I'm doing - go over the council's head to the GLA and Eric Pickles?
Incidentally a new 'low rise' development, in the cheaper area of the Borough, Teddington was just released. 2 bedroom apartments start at a bargain £349,995.
This wound me up so much I went on the following rant:
What a surprise, all the 'Save Our Skyline' photos seem to be people in their late 40s and up complaining about *their* town. Stuff all the people who can't afford to buy in the area as they are priced out, stuff the housing shortages, we're alright Jack.
It's no wonder the town is stuck in the 70s with people queuing up to ensure it stays there. I cannot afford to buy here due to only just making a 6-figure income and you've the nerve to complain about your skyline.
You have an extremely messed up set of priorities matched only by your profound sense of self-interest. It's no wonder there is a noted and long-standing housing shortage in this Borough with people like you lining up to complain whenever a developer has the nerve to build where you don't want them to.
The unfortunate thing is, of course, that you have far more time to complain about these things than I do to support them - regrettably I have to spend a lot of time at work to pay my rent - the one inflated massively by the housing shortage your attitudes exacerbate.
I am frankly really rather fed up of the same old (in more ways than one) demographic messing things up in this area. Low-rise is not viable, the housing will cost too much and will deliver too few homes to have any significant difference.
Of course maybe that's the plan, you guys can spend some of your probably government provided equity buying these low-rise properties up, as first time buyers will have no chance, and then rent them out. Everyone is happy. Well, you are happy and that's what matters, right?
The response from the admin of the Facebook page was:
Carl why not move to Croydon there are lots of lovely tower blocks there. They must be cheap being there are so many for you to choose from.
Please look at the actual plans as on their site - http://trag-sos.moonfruit.com/#/station-images/4543932357
Google Streetview of existing site (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Regal+House&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=Regal+House&hnear=Twickenham,+Middlesex+TW1+1RT&cid=0,0,12709282033457502987&ei=fz9gTdnzLsGo8QOfrJRa&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=5&ved=0CEYQnwIwBA)
And of course the campaigners (http://trag-sos.moonfruit.com/#/meet-us/4543932361)
Am I being inconsiderate or are they being NIMBYs? If you have a wander through Twickenham it's dilapidated, old fashioned, a 70s wreck of a life support system for the two stadiums.
As far as housing goes thanks to the same NIMBYs being in charge at the council anything over 3 storeys can only happen in a couple of sites, and despite huge issues with supply, acknowledged, restrictions have increased.
4.1.12 The Borough’s housing is mainly in owner-occupation (68% according to the 2001 Census), with 15% rented privately, and 12% rented from a housing association. Affordability is a key issue, with house prices considerably higher than the London average. With the exception of the City, Richmond upon Thames has the highest average household income (£47,418, Paycheck 2007 CACI) of any London borough, but the ratio between earnings and house prices is such that first time buyers are unable to afford even the least expensive properties in the Borough. Affordability can have an impact in terms of overcrowding and poor quality housing, and also for the recruitment and retention of key workers, essential for delivering local services.
Meanwhile their approach to resolving this issue:
Taller Buildings will be inappropriate in all areas of the borough except the identified areas within Twickenham and Richmond (Maps 2 and 3).
Twickenham (Supplementary Policy Document published with detailed design guidance)
On the station - buildings up to 4/5 storeys at the highest point and should step down to 2/3 storeys towards Cole Park Road,
On the Sorting Office – buildings up to 4/5 storeys at the highest point and should step down towards the west end of the site to 3 storeys and 2/3 storeys towards Heatham House, whose setting should be respected.
On Station Yard buildings should not exceed 3/4 storeys to prevent adverse impacts on the residential context
On garages in Mary’s Terrace buildings should not exceed 2.5 storeys with development on the front of the site in line with existing houses in Mary’s Terrace.
I'm off on a bit of a rant. Should I just accept it or carry on doing what I'm doing - go over the council's head to the GLA and Eric Pickles?
Incidentally a new 'low rise' development, in the cheaper area of the Borough, Teddington was just released. 2 bedroom apartments start at a bargain £349,995.