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DJMurray
23-06-2010, 18:51
Virgin have recently put in fibre to my area in Slough and have been advertising in all the local papers and billboards. Having had a lowly 1mb adsl connection due to the exchange being so far away for years I jumped at the chance to get the whole package, 50mb broadband, xl TV, V+ box and phone.

I placed my order on 23rd April and they confirmed the two engineers would be booked, one for around the 22nd of May to lay the cable up to the house and a second on 29th May to do the internal installation. I needn’t be present for the 22nd but needed to be available on the 29th. I was happy to wait a few weeks after waiting years for high speed internet. The contract arrived through the post which I completed and returned and made sure I kept the Saturday free as I try to get away on bank holiday weekends.
On Weds 26th I called Virgin to confirm that the engineer would be visiting on the Saturday and they said yes, there are two booked. I asked why two and they said the external engineer would do his part at the same time. On Friday 28th Virgin called me at lunchtime to confirm I’d be in the next day. Good customer service I thought, this should go well especially as I’d taken the day off to make sure everything outside and in was accessible.

At 6pm Virgin called again to say the engineers had not had some trunking delivered which was needed to bury the cable, they were three metres short. Installation cancelled. They asked that I wait until the following week for the materials to be delivered for the installation, the installation team would confirm by the following Friday that they had everything ready. I asked if it would be a big delay as my existing services, broadband (needed for work!), tv etc were all being disconnected on 3rd June, disconnection charges would be applied. They said no problem, it’s just missing trunking for the cable.

I waited for a call all week and eventually called on Friday the 4th to be told that the area manager needed to visit to evaluate where the cable would be routed, the engineer had decided they may need permission to run across the edge of my neighbours garden where the old C&W cables currently run. No problem I thought, my neighbours are currently in mid contract with BT and want Virgin too, they’re very interested in seeing how I get on with the service before they order.

I mentioned that I now had no services at all and while I can live without TV the lack of broadband for work would become a problem, customer services said they may be able to do something with Virgin ADSL or mobile if the delay was much longer. Despite the delay I thought this was pretty good of them to suggest as there are inevitable hiccups with these things and keeping the customer happy during these times is good, thumbs up to Virgin I thought.
I waited until mid the following week and no contact from Virgin so I called again on the 10th. This time I was put through to the installations team themselves. They told me that the area manager hadn’t responded to any of the emails or voicemails left about my installation that had been sent. They would chase his manager for a response. This concerned me a bit as he was due to visit my area and decide where the cables were to go, maybe this is going to take longer than I expected.

I was awayon holiday for the following four days but they promised they would have definite answers when I returned the following Tuesday.

No call on Tuesday so on Wednesday I called again. I was passed to the installations team who told me that due to where the cables would run they may need to subcontract the cabling and get written permission from the council, it may take several weeks before the work can be done. They would call back during the week to advise.

At this point I was very confused, I can literally connect a LAN cable from my router, out my front door and across the grass of my neighbour’s front garden and into the box on the wall on the side of their house. It’s about eight metres if that! While I was out looking at the existing C&W cable my neighbour appeared and as we discussed Virgin he told me he had already given them permission to lay the cable and was happy to sign any forms required to do the work. This sounded like progress so I thought I’d give them a few more days as I didn’t want to be a nuisance if they were busy with lots of installs in Slough.

A couple of days later I get a letter from Virgin. It said that they cannot provide cable services but they can provide great ADSL through my phone line. At this point I am truly baffled so I call the installations team. They tell me that because my neighbour has a small porch over his front door that they can’t lay the cable and my property is unserviceable. I ask if they can go around it, it really is small, a diversion of a couple of metres? The old C&W cable runs around it to my house (and I used to have a C&W TV package). They say they’ll refer it back to the area manager and primary engineer, they will contact me by the 18th.

Again, no call from Virgin so I call then on the 21st June. At this point I’m getting very frustrated, I’ve had no services for almost a month and been given all sorts of conflicting messages. I speak to the installation team again, who told me that the engineers notes said there was no way to lay the cable apart from around the edge of my neighbours garden which they would not do. Despite the neighbour giving permission, they may move one day and the next owners may deny access. I said BT run their lines through my garden to my neighbour and I always give them access and it’s never been a problem. The guy said he understood this and was very apologetic but couldn’t take it any further, he recommended I call customer services and complain.

Back to customer services who tell me they will log a complaint but it won’t go any further, the property is unserviceable, my account has been closed and they recommend I cancel my direct debit.

So now I have to have all my old services reconnected which will cost more money and I will be chasing Virgin for the costs, I just hope they will still speak to me as the last call seemed to be along the lines of you’re not our customer so go away.

My recommendation if you’re considering Virgin Media is make sure they have all the cable and connections in place well before you cancel anything or accept an internal connection appointment!

weesteev
23-06-2010, 20:28
The first thing I would advise is not to book disconnection of your existing service so close to a new install, that just invites problems, especially with an ADSL broadband service.

If your property has been made unserviceable there will have been a valid reason, your best bet now is drop an email with your contact and address details to cablemysteet@virginmedia.co.uk and our team can look into this for you.

Best Regards

MovedGoalPosts
23-06-2010, 20:50
I can appreciate your frustration, but it appears here that you've got caught in some legal technicalities, not of your making, but which do have long term implications that can't simply be overlooked.

I assume you are living in a house, rather than a block of flats, although similar principles can appy to flats.

Essentially you do not own your neighbour's house and thus you have no automatic legal right to have any services for your property passing through your niegbours land, howver straight or indirect the routing might be. When you sign to a service such as Virgin Media, you grant a wayleave which allows them to run the service across your land only. You cannot have a wayleave over neigbouring property, instead there needs to be an easement a much more formal legal right that would be recorded, usually by solicitors, against a property's legal title.

Your neighbour cannot simply say he will let the service run to your property over his land. The easement must be created, and due to the cost and aggravation of solicitors and such like that will rarely happen.

If an easement is not properly created, the service would effectively be a tresspass over the neigbour's land. An easement can cause problems with sale of a property as it can restrict what a neighbour can do with their land. In the absence of an easement a service could be removed by virtue of it being a tresspass, which leaves the person needing it out on a limb, and the organisation that installed it perhaps open to litigation.

From reading your post I suspect that your own property either does not have land directly facing onto the local authority's road / paths, or perhaps it was built after the cable co's ducts were dug and installed under those roads / paths. If the former only an easement would solve the issue. If the latter the cost of digging the additional ducts, requiring new consents from the local authority is probably too much for Virgin relative to the income a single customer might generate.

DJMurray
23-06-2010, 22:15
The first thing I would advise is not to book disconnection of your existing service so close to a new install, that just invites problems, especially with an ADSL broadband service.

If your property has been made unserviceable there will have been a valid reason, your best bet now is drop an email with your contact and address details to cablemysteet@virginmedia.co.uk and our team can look into this for you.

Best Regards

Thanks weesteev, I will drop them a mail

---------- Post added at 22:15 ---------- Previous post was at 22:02 ----------

Thanks for the information Rob,

No explanation has been given to me such as this, the last I heard from the installation team was that the presense of the neighbours porch was causing the problem. So the impression I'm left with is that if it wasn't there it would be fine. There are already old C&W cables running around both our houses from the same connection point so we're both puzzled as to what the issue could be.

My house does meet the street and the plans for my property show I own the path which runs in from of mine and neighbours house which meets the road. I can appreciate the costs involved may not be viable for a single customer but it would be good to be offered some alternatives, even if this means bearing the cost of having the digging and placing of additional ducts.

I know BT lines run through the back garden of my property to service my neighbour as I've given access to them before but I'm not aware of any easement in my legal title that grants this.

I guess what I'm really looking for is a straight answer from Virgin so I can make an informed decision!

weesteev
24-06-2010, 08:22
Thanks weesteev, I will drop them a mail

---------- Post added at 22:15 ---------- Previous post was at 22:02 ----------

Thanks for the information Rob,

No explanation has been given to me such as this, the last I heard from the installation team was that the presense of the neighbours porch was causing the problem. So the impression I'm left with is that if it wasn't there it would be fine. There are already old C&W cables running around both our houses from the same connection point so we're both puzzled as to what the issue could be.

My house does meet the street and the plans for my property show I own the path which runs in from of mine and neighbours house which meets the road. I can appreciate the costs involved may not be viable for a single customer but it would be good to be offered some alternatives, even if this means bearing the cost of having the digging and placing of additional ducts.

I know BT lines run through the back garden of my property to service my neighbour as I've given access to them before but I'm not aware of any easement in my legal title that grants this.

I guess what I'm really looking for is a straight answer from Virgin so I can make an informed decision!

It could essentially come down to cost. From an instakll spoint fo view, they have limited resources when it comes to the location and extension of a Tee to feed a property. If the run to a property is just to great then they wont be able to proceed with it. Your house may still be serviceable, it will just have to be dealt with differently.

Hoepfully we can help, I wont see the job when it comes through as its not in my franchise area but please keep us posted how things go.

Best of luck!

DJMurray
24-06-2010, 20:08
Thanks Weesteev, I appreciate it may be costly to run the cables but being given the option to cover those costs would be good.

I dropped Neil Berkett a mail last night and he has kindly responded this morning and the installation is now being looked into which is a positive move. I'll update this with whatever the outcome is!

DJMurray
25-06-2010, 13:20
Update: A member of the new build team visited this morning and we looked at what could be done. Running the cabling through the front of my property would be difficult. However, just outside my back gargen gate is a CATV cover under which there are nice new cables, connected to a brand new box a few metres up the road. The cable can be run through the back of my property easily without passing through any elses property. In fact this is much better as the cable will run alongside my drive and into my front room, exactly where it needs to end up! The engineer has told me it will be put through as a priorty job and should be done in a couple of weeks.

A very positive move, lets hope I get the same team on the install! One much happier customer here.

Digital Fanatic
25-06-2010, 19:38
Update: A member of the new build team visited this morning and we looked at what could be done. Running the cabling through the front of my property would be difficult. However, just outside my back gargen gate is a CATV cover under which there are nice new cables, connected to a brand new box a few metres up the road. The cable can be run through the back of my property easily without passing through any elses property. In fact this is much better as the cable will run alongside my drive and into my front room, exactly where it needs to end up! The engineer has told me it will be put through as a priorty job and should be done in a couple of weeks.

A very positive move, lets hope I get the same team on the install! One much happier customer here.

Sounds promising :tu: