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I have a contract for a building in Leeds city center.
I have a strong belief that one tenant of one of the flats is supplying drugs to certain individuals, who I would say look like scallywags.
The person has been seen to drop small packages (not the very small ones) from his balcony to these young lads, then they run off smartish, I have witnessed it myself 3 times now, others who work for me have seen it too. The corridor outside his apartment smells wierd as well.
He has been verbally abusive to a member of my staff when he saw her on the phone, when one of the scallwags was acting very suspiciously outside the apartment block. She went to check on her car, as an alarm was going off. they were shouting at her "you on the phone to the cops" or stuff like that, she was on the phone to her boyfriend.
I thought why say that unless you are up to no good?
I THINK HE IS A WRONG UN, BUT HAVE NO PROOF!
I have been on the local police sites, but can not find out where to mail anyone.
If I did report my thoughts, which are unproved, I am very wary to do it in my own name, as one of the work cars is logoed up, and has full details of my company on its side.
Yes, I fear he would know it was me, and possibly vent anger my way.
Any thoughts or advice please.
moaningmags
22-06-2009, 18:55
Call Crimestoppers anonymously.
Report them anonymously through crimestoppers.
0800 555 111
And hopefully you'll get a ringside seat when they go a knocking with the big red key. :D
Raistlin
22-06-2009, 18:58
Have you considered Crime Stoppers?
http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/?gclid=COf3ndq5npsCFWIB4wodyjp3pg
Or, failing that, are you friendly with a member of the local constabulary that you could perhaps have an (initially) off the record chat with?
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3 votes for Crime Stoppers then :D
Great minds and all that :)
joglynne
22-06-2009, 19:00
You could consider using this method of reporting your suspicions.
More than 80,000 actionable calls last year
If you have information about crime, call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111 or use our anonymous online form
http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/how-we-help
Make that 4 votes.
Add Must type faster. :D :D :D
You could also try the local community team
http://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/npt/area.asp?id=294
Thanks all, going to do it now.
Luc.
Will21st
22-06-2009, 19:07
Yeah,Crimestoppers sounds good.....
although you will then be a known snitch! :D;)
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The corridor outside his apartment smells wierd as well.
can you say 'Reefer Madness'? :D
moaningmags
22-06-2009, 19:18
Yeah,Crimestoppers sounds good.....
although you will then be a known snitch! :D;)
How?? It's anonymous!
I'd have no problem calling them given I reported my husband to the police for drink driving and reported my next door neighbour to the DVLA as he takes epileptic seizures but continues to drive.
Will21st
22-06-2009, 19:45
How?? It's anonymous!
I'd have no problem calling them given I reported my husband to the police for drink driving and reported my next door neighbour to the DVLA as he takes epileptic seizures but continues to drive.
Not on this site it ain't!! :D
I was only kidding,behaviour like that is unacceptable,and those kids should be reported,period! :td:
zing_deleted
22-06-2009, 19:50
you could always ask him to skin up lol
This may be overreacting but would it be wise to remove references which could link the poster to the event? Just so a google doesn't throw up this page and give anyone information?
Personally i'd mind my own business and say nothing.
Unless it was directly affecting me/my family, then i might be bitter and report it.
I reported a pusher through Crimestoppers... he is now banged-up and will not be returning to our area when released (landlord won't have him, and has spread the word to other landlords).
The clientelle were "probably responsible" for lots of local crime aimed at getting money to buy his wares.
Personally i'd mind my own business and say nothing.
Unless it was directly affecting me/my family, then i might be bitter and report it.
I did mind my own business, nows hes made it mine, by going on a verbal attack to one of my girls/staff. Thats all it takes for me!
Maybe thats why I am wanting to do something now.
Prossies/escorts work out of the same block, but that is their business.
Drugs is another matter really, I have now taken the mind set of what if he was dropping gear to someone my kids know, or my kids infact.
He in my opinion is supplying to young lads who then sell it on for him, or so my 25 year old tells me.
Going to get the full addy next time we are down there, and yes I am going to call Crimestoppers.
I had completely forgotten about them.
I will add snitch to my growing CV!:)
Not snitch - responsible citizen.
Don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but what about giving crimestoppers a call?
joglynne
24-06-2009, 09:48
Don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but what about giving crimestoppers a call?
:D did you not see posts 2, 3, 4, and 5.
superbiatch
24-06-2009, 09:51
Don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but what about giving crimestoppers a call?
:D did you not see posts 2, 3, 4, and 5.
Sarcasm - the lowest form of wit ;)
Report to crimestoppers as soon as you can. The quicker this grubby little parasite can be dealt with the better.
Si thee :Sprint:
He has been verbally abusive to a member of my staff when he saw her on the phone, when one of the scallwags was acting very suspiciously outside the apartment block. She went to check on her car, as an alarm was going off. they were shouting at her "you on the phone to the cops" or stuff like that, she was on the phone to her boyfriend.
I thought why say that unless you are up to no good?
If even the hint of a phone-call from your staff to the police was enough to set them off,even though the call was innocent enough(so to speak) then dont you think they might cast their minds back to that particular moment if & when the door does eventually go crashing in???
When caught,drug dealers love to lay the blame at some "grasses" door rather than accepting the fact that the police probably already knew what they were up to and it was only a matter of time anyway,regardless of who called in today about them.
Not trying to put you off here but it`s something to consider.
zing_deleted
24-06-2009, 11:29
Some drug dealers are not careful though. These appear to be of that ilk. Selling drugs by throwing them over a balcony? very low profile (not). The smell mentioned would mean its weed and they smoke it as well as sell it. Now of course they could be selling something else. If it was smack then those who visit will show obvious signs of being users.
Now as far as being safe after informing the police partly depends on where in the line these guys are if they are low level dope dealers (which it appears to be from what has been said) there is little to worry about. If they are high profile major league then it all depends on if they find out who split the beans. There are guys out there who would not think twice about getting someone who owes them a favour to do well I will leave that to the imagination
Now as far as being safe after informing the police partly depends on where in the line these guys are if they are low level dope dealers (which it appears to be from what has been said) there is little to worry about. If they are high profile major league then it all depends on if they find out who split the beans
From what has been said it does appear that if and when the Police put the door in there won't be half the annual crop of Afghanistan or Bolivia in the flat.
The chances of it ever coming back to the reporter, especially if its anonymous are exceptionally remote.
zing_deleted
24-06-2009, 12:19
From what has been said it does appear that if and when the Police put the door in there won't be half the annual crop of Afghanistan or Bolivia in the flat.
The chances of it ever coming back to the reporter, especially if its anonymous are exceptionally remote.
I do agree but there has been an incident between the parties. You as a police office know how violent some of these guys can be and you know those who are quite high up the ladder can be very vicious indeed. I think as a whole the general public are unaware what can and does do on and some people are seriously hurt
As you say these are small potatoes and their lack of any care when making the deals does mean a pull eventually is inevitable
I do agree but there has been an incident between the parties.
There will almost certainly have been falling outs between them and other 'legitimate businessmen' as well. Most of the lower level dealers are either too stupid to think they were grassed up or paranoid to the extent they think everyone they know were responsible for them ending up in pokey.
This sounds like one of the scenarios the RAF interviewer puts to you...
I don't really care what other people do as long as it doesn;t impact on others...unfortunately drug taking and/or dealing does impact on more than just the user..
Personally I'd be ringing up crimestoppers
UPDATE!
He is nicked!
I told someone else who lives there, they thought the same as me, and they ended up making the call.
His flat that was rented got raided and the door bashed in.
I hope the owner gets compensated for it.
Not sure whats happening to him, but I am just glad he has left the building.
UPDATE!
He is nicked!
Now you just have to hope it sticks and the police actually manage to get a result. Unfortunately with both the Judiciary and the CPS working against them a lot of the time I don't hold out much hope.
Anyone else reading Inspector Gadget's blog?
http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/
priceless..
Not sure whats happening to him, but I am just glad he has left the building.
And hopefully he won't come back to the same place after being let out on bail.
webcrawler2050
09-08-2009, 11:38
It all depends, if he has previous, there is a likely chance of a custodial sentence. However, if he was "dealing" probability is he will get a custodial sentence aswell. Either way, it's one more scallywag of our streets.
and reported my next door neighbour to the DVLA as he takes epileptic seizures but continues to drive.
How can someone 'take epileptic seizures'?
Did you know the full details before telling the DVLA?
zing_deleted
09-08-2009, 12:21
It all depends, if he has previous, there is a likely chance of a custodial sentence. However, if he was "dealing" probability is he will get a custodial sentence aswell. Either way, it's one more scallywag of our streets.
gotta prove that though. Loads of factors how much dope was there what other narcotics were there if any. Was it weighed out in deals or all in one.
If there is not a huge quantity and the police have not caught buyers and have evidence that way if its all in one lump or bag or whatever intention to supply isnt that eay to prove
How can someone 'take epileptic seizures'?
Did you know the full details before telling the DVLA?
Well if you saw someone take an epileptic fit and then the next day get in the car as if nothing had happened and you had children what would you do, would wait until he was coming home one day and took a fit and mowed them down and think afterwards "If I had reported him this would never have happened" I would have reported him in a heartbeat.
If there is not a huge quantity and the police have not caught buyers and have evidence that way if its all in one lump or bag or whatever intention to supply isnt that eay to prove
Being concerned in the supply of drugs can be fairly easy to prove. You don't even need to recover any drugs to get a conviction for that one :D
That said most of the time the CPS will take a plea in order to get a guaranteed result rather than risk a court case.
moaningmags
09-08-2009, 13:49
How can someone 'take epileptic seizures'?
Did you know the full details before telling the DVLA?
How can they not?
If someone has epilepsy they can and usually will take fits or seizures.
The only thing I didn't know when telling the DVLA was his driver number.
joglynne
09-08-2009, 15:37
How can they not?
If someone has epilepsy they can and usually will take fits or seizures.
The only thing I didn't know when telling the DVLA was his driver number.
I wonder if maybe Mr Moo misunderstood the original phrase "take epileptic seizures" as I haven't heard the word used that way before. Possibly he thought you somehow meant 'take' as in 'take a tablet'.
If so I don't think his intention was to questioning your ability to recognise an Epileptic Seizure, or to know when a neighbour was a danger to others as he was continuing to drive by ignoring a potentially dangerous illness which he had presumably not reported to the DVLA as his license would have been surrendered until his Epilepsy was under control and he had been seizure free for the required time. :shrug:
Any how nice result with the dealer, fingers crossed he is gone for good. :tu:
superbiatch
09-08-2009, 17:08
How can they not?
If someone has epilepsy they can and usually will take fits or seizures.
The only thing I didn't know when telling the DVLA was his driver number.
I'm sure you've done the correct thing in these circumstances Maggy, but some people who only have seizures during their sleep can drive AFAIK.
Driving law related to seizures (http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/driving/seizurerules)
I was curious as to how Maggy knew that he was epileptic. Fair enough if you've seen him fit and then proceeded to get in his car and drive. That's different. If you were sitting at your kitchen table, having a good gossip about the neighbourhood with friends and you 'heard' he was epileptic, then again, this is different...
You still have to surrender your license for a year if you seizure in your sleep. Not sure about the in's and out's after.
The law says you must voluntarily surrender your license (or the doctor can tell the DVLA, which they will then revoke it) and patient doctor discretion doesn't come into it.
You must then be fit free for a year.
You may or may not take AED's (anti epilepsy drugs), dependant on how serious, or what type of epilepsy you have.
If you wish to come off the AED's after, say, 2 years. Then you must surrender your license for a further 6 months.
Everyone can and probably will suffer one fit/seizure in their life. Medically, this doesn't make you epileptic.
moaningmags
09-08-2009, 20:48
For the record, I've seen him fit. His mother was my hairdresser and told me of a conversation she had with his doctor asking if it was possible to prevent a fit by concentrating really hard on doing something to which the doc said no.
Also told me of feeling helpless about him continuing to drive but that she couldn't stand to see him cry (he's in his late 20s) when she told him he should give up his car so allowed him to drive but was very worried about what could happen.
So yes, while listening to gossip I learned of his condition, gossip giver was his own mother.
Given she knew I reported my husband for drink driving perhaps this was her way to get him reported without having to do so herself.
I'd do it again in a heartbeat, I have 4 children that walk about my neighbourhood streets and I know just about every other kid that does too. If one of those kids were to be killed because he had a seizure I had known about it and done nothing to prevent, I couldn't live with myself.
I also tried reporting him to the police but they said it was a matter for DVLA.
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