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Florence
30-03-2007, 14:09
After reading the news of an ISP laying fibre via the sewers perhaps this is a method Virgin could use to increase their coverage of teh UK for less costs than digging up roads.
UK ISP Ask4 has teamed up with H2O Networks in order to utilise sewer networks for extending its broadband coverage:
H2O Networks' revolutionary Focus (Fibre Optical Cable Underground Sewer) System allows organisations to use the UK's sewer system to set up their own secure IT and telecom networks with unlimited bandwidth.
Jonathan Hudson, managing director, Ask 4 comments: "With increasing business and consumer demand for up to the minute methods of communication and with increased understanding of convergence and its benefits, organisations are increasingly demanding greater bandwidth. We knew that fibre optic cabling would provide this bandwidth, but wanted a cost-effective way of doing this."
The cost advantages of H2O's network means that not only is it cheaper to install, but it offers a fixed term cost rather than bandwidth tariffs. The bandwidth is hugely scalable and so will cope with the evolution of technology and the capacity this will eat up for the foreseeable future. The deployment process is a least 80 per cent faster than traditional methods, resulting in operational networks within weeks rather than months. Every city and town has ready-made ducts that can be used without causing disruption.
An additional advantage is that the cables lie at depths of up to 5m below the ground, compared with 450mm for conventional cables, making it far more secure, particularly in disaster recovery situations.
Elfed Thomas, managing director, H2O Networks comments: "Our Focus system offers both public and private sector organisations a cost-effective alternative to the traditional method of deploying fibre cable. It offers a fixed term cost rather than bandwidth tariffs, so that when extra capacity is needed, it's there, and the business doesn't incur further connection charges."
Unfortunately residential coverage is limited to a number of luxury city-living developments in Sheffield and Leeds. However those able to receive it can get speeds of up to 25Mbps for £60 per month. The provider’s business packages remain elusive.
The extra coverage will perhaps help to force prices down again and give Virgin faster speeds for all.
ispreview.co.uk (http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?id=EEZVkVZkkFeZdxdqfr)
Just think of all the c**p that you could download ;)
Action Jackson
30-03-2007, 14:18
Just think of all the c**p that you could download ;)
Wouldn't fancy 'uploading' any of it though.
phone convo - I cant hear what your saying, must be some sh*t on the line, now that would take the p!ss.
Would each toilet have its' own IP address so if you did get an infection from any downloads you could use the sanitation department's own version of WHOIS to trace the culprit.
Where's there's Muck there's money
Nedkelly
30-03-2007, 15:45
What a great idea it would mean to get to another town you would not have to dig up all the roads :) :tu: But as we know it will never get used :mad:
Florence
30-03-2007, 16:03
maybe if people in the right places suggest this as a way forward you never know.. Lets face on ISP is using it and Virgin has franchise on areas not cabled.
Would they have usage limits? Cos I can't hold it in for long...............
NTLVictim
31-03-2007, 09:08
It's a good idea, it just needs to be put into motion.
Just heard that Richard Branson has poo poo'd the idea.
He said it would be too much of a drain on resources.
shadyrome
31-03-2007, 13:02
Are they planning it?:angel:
NTLVictim
31-03-2007, 14:38
Or maybe panning it?
papa smurf
31-03-2007, 15:13
David Haselhoff Advertising Poopex Broadband Maybe
Joking aside, it would be a great way for Virgin Media to expand their cable lines.
Heh, 25mbps unlimited bandwidth. Surprised it isn't 100mbit if it's fibre.
NTLVictim
31-03-2007, 16:03
Fibre is good for you....
All this toilet humour, this thread is really going down the pan...
But anyway, it's a great idea, just an unenviable job for any engineer to have to install and service those lines.
NTLVictim
01-04-2007, 10:41
I take it the end equipment will still be bog standard?
Will there be people dropping packets?
What a load of verbal diarrhoea! It isn't safe, hackers could easily access your info via any public convenience or manhole cover. Still I suppose as you can now you can use mobiles on some planes you could watch "Mile High Action" via webcams.
...and in order for VM to diagnose any problems, you will have to download your logs!
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NTLVictim
01-04-2007, 13:22
And flush twice, it's a long way to India!
papa smurf
01-04-2007, 13:33
will i be able to play online with my nintendo wee
If this was posted on April fools, you'd think it a joke!
NTLVictim
01-04-2007, 18:52
If they don't get the head end right, we'll have nothing to go on.
papa smurf
01-04-2007, 20:03
i think the whole ideas a splash in the pan
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If this was posted on April fools, you'd think it a joke!
this is a serious discussion about high speed bog band
i'd be able to complain about a **** service then...
Nobody mentioned this http://www.google.com/tisp/ ???
Florence
04-04-2007, 16:44
All this toilet humour, this thread is really going down the pan...
But anyway, it's a great idea, just an unenviable job for any engineer to have to install and service those lines.
Would still be cheaper than paying higher taxes for digging up the roads.
Cerberus
23-01-2008, 15:49
Looks like we are going to have our first "fibre town"
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7202396.stm)
(Sorry I couldn't think of a toilet joke, so I thought I would dump this post here) :)
fireman328
23-01-2008, 17:07
If I wanted to surf by wireless, would I need a septic tank ?
So I'd have to get a shanks Modem!
That aside just as long as they dont have to re-cable from the street to the house, just got the driveway done.........
Just to add my penny's worth, IF it DID happen, then I could really say that vm are a load of old *****! :)
Or is this new way for vm just a flash in the pan?
Would we still have to flush the DNS every now & then?
Ive been saying for ages now that ntl/vm have been going down the toilet, if this IS put into action, then it will be 100% true!
ihatevirgin
24-01-2008, 00:09
ive got a big download for them if they do this
Cerberus
24-01-2008, 00:26
ive got a big download for them if they do this
Lol :D
Download speeds will still be ****! ;)
Like my 25Kb/s I'm getting just now for a Far Cry 2 Trailer.
DocDutch
24-01-2008, 00:34
hmm if this hits Northampton I might just have to move there... that is if the price for the service is alright :D
The UK's first "fibre town" could go online in the autumn, delivering speeds of about 100Mbps (megabits per second) to consumers' homes.
Fibre firm H2O provides super-fast broadband via the sewers and either Bournemouth, Northampton or Dundee will be offered the service first.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7202396.stm
hope its northampton :)
if virgin hasnt started giving me more than 65% by then at least i will have a viable alternative :)
But this will initially be limited to around 600 new houses. The development will eventually have some 10,000 homes connected via fibre with speeds of up to 100Mbps but the project will take until 2020 to complete.
I think even VM might beat them to 100Mbps for the majority of us.
PeteTheMusicGuy
24-01-2008, 13:55
It might be a bit C*** for the poor tech who has to down down there to fix a fault. I also wonder if the speeds will still be C***
I See the sweed's have 100mb connection for £14.......I think we should just all move there.
smeagoly1
24-01-2008, 15:35
Now does this mean VM could be a No1 or is it all a lot of no2 :)
I think we should all have a MOTION on the subject..
tweetypie/8
24-01-2008, 19:56
Just think of all the c**p that you could download ;)
brill.;)
Welshchris
24-01-2008, 20:33
VM is gonna keel over and die long before they are able to reach anywhere near 100mb
VM have tested 100Kbps in lab conditions, and DOCSIS 3 is built to handle speeds higher than that.
Given that H2O won't have a usable residential service in place for at least two years yet, I don't think VM are sweating at the moment.
Keel over Welshchris? I think that may be wishful thinking on your part.
VM have tested 100Kbps in lab conditions, and DOCSIS 3 is built to handle speeds higher than that.
Given that H2O won't have a usable residential service in place for at least two years yet, I don't think VM are sweating at the moment.
Keel over Welshchris? I think that may be wishful thinking on your part.
Wouldnt that be 100Mb??? 100kbps happened years ago! lol :)
techyguy4
24-01-2008, 22:04
I think VM has the potential to provide 100mbps provided there is competition in the market.
VM cant provide 4mpbs let alone 100mbps.
Graham M
24-01-2008, 22:43
VM cant provide 4mpbs let alone 100mbps.
Completely different thing.
I kinda hope it's Bomo, but I bet it doesn't spread out to Poole :(
deathtrap3000
24-01-2008, 22:53
Google have been offering this for a while now.
http://www.google.com/tisp/
Muhahahahahahah someone else with a sense of humour,nice post death.
Fibre in the Sewers! mmm HDTV for Rats then, they love to chew plastic and such like - what a clever place to install an expensive cable. I wonder why the other companys didnt think of that, oh wait, they did! and they didnt for exactly that reason - lol ;P
The UK's first "fibre town" could go online in the autumn, delivering speeds of about 100Mbps (megabits per second) to consumers' homes.
Fibre firm H2O provides super-fast broadband via the sewers and either Bournemouth, Northampton or Dundee will be offered the service first.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7202396.stm
hope its northampton :)
if virgin hasnt started giving me more than 65% by then at least i will have a viable alternative :)
*Sigh*... Use the "Search" function... :rolleyes: Mods, merge?
TraxData
25-01-2008, 14:46
Fibre in the Sewers! mmm HDTV for Rats then, they love to chew plastic and such like - what a clever place to install an expensive cable. I wonder why the other companys didnt think of that, oh wait, they did! and they didnt for exactly that reason - lol ;P
LOL.....someone obviously has no idea just how thick the cables are...and how they are run threw the sewers ;)
Many countries have rolled out fibre this way, its about 75% cheaper than rolling it out by digging roads up...and what would take 6 months with one way (road digging) is 12 days using the sewer way...
Graham M
25-01-2008, 14:56
*Sigh*... Use the "Search" function... :rolleyes: Mods, merge?
Perhaps rather than ordering the mods around, you'd like to provide a link to a thread on the same subject?
Cerberus
25-01-2008, 15:03
*Sigh*... Use the "Search" function... :rolleyes: Mods, merge?
Seconded. Already being discussed here (http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33611456-perhaps-a-way-for-virgin-go.html)
i always thought some form of public trunking or conduit was a good idea to mandate, any time public works were carryed out it would have been easy to add this generic trunking and eventually all the roads in the country could have been fitted with easy access covers for such data carrying cable to be easyly fitted as and when wanted.
the companys just then pay a one off fee payed over a year to the council or 3rd party in charge of the upkeep of said trunking pits etc.
one day someone will realise its got to be better for long term cost savings perhaps.
I think VM has the potential to provide 100mbps provided there is competition in the market.
Reliably?
Down the Pub
25-01-2008, 16:05
Fibre in the Sewers! mmm HDTV for Rats then, they love to chew plastic and such like - what a clever place to install an expensive cable. I wonder why the other companys didnt think of that, oh wait, they did! and they didnt for exactly that reason - lol ;P
would have thought it would either be ducted or some for of swa (steel wire armoured) cable.
ihatevirgin
26-01-2008, 02:14
VM cant provide 4mpbs let alone 100mbps.
word g
bubblegun
27-01-2008, 12:34
I think even VM might beat them to 100Mbps for the majority of us.
You were mis quoting the article,
"But this will initially be limited to around 600 new houses. The development will eventually have some 10,000 homes connected via fibre with speeds of up to 100Mbps but the project will take until 2020 to complete."
This wasn't to do with the H2O fibre network, this was about the previous sentence
"Last month BT announced that its own fibre to the home trial at Ebbsfleet in Kent would see the first homes connected by August of this year."
so put into context:
"But this will initially be limited to around 600 new houses. The development will eventually have some 10,000 homes connected via fibre with speeds of up to 100Mbps but the project will take until 2020 to complete."
It is more relevant and more enlightening. It shows that we will have to rely on new companies willing to take a gamble to get high speed broadband into uk homes, sadly the incumbent BT and other big isps like tiscali and carphone warehouse seem unwilling to invest some money into this.
I thougth that Fibre optic cable was sensitive to water?
In a previous job they install fibre under the flooring, while the sprinkler guys were installing it they messed up and set of the sprinklers, which resulted in all the cables in the floor being replaced.
Ask4 are already supplying fibre in Sheffield
http://www.ask4.com/residential/availability/wardsbrewery/
Check the price out!!!!
The Jackal
28-01-2008, 09:20
Wonders what businesses would say to cheap fibre.
Those 120000 businesses in the UK are paying a grand a month for fibre
Ask4 are already supplying fibre in Sheffield
http://www.ask4.com/residential/availability/wardsbrewery/
Check the price out!!!!
Wow, 60 notes for 25 down / 5 up.
Those are impressive upload speeds for a residential service, and no throttling/capping. 50:1 contention ratio too.
Bit on the expensive side, but the fastest speed for residential use in the UK is a fair claim. :)
Guess you need something as a reward for living in Sheffield. :):)
Only joking, great place.
saabmania2
28-01-2008, 17:33
Ask4 are already supplying fibre in Sheffield
http://www.ask4.com/residential/availability/wardsbrewery/
Check the price out!!!!
That's not too bad VM charge most of us £37 per month for 3-4mb :D
roughbeast
14-05-2010, 11:38
Just heard that Richard Branson has poo poo'd the idea.
He said it would be too much of a drain on resources.
Perhaps he could be renamed Richard the Turd.
*sloman*
14-05-2010, 12:23
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/05/13/i3-group-brings-100mbps-fibrecity-uk-broadband-to-1-million-homes.html
It was confirmed today that Fibrecity networks are now planned for Derby, Halton, Nottingham, Plymouth and York, with a target to commence building within the next 12 months.
roughbeast
14-05-2010, 23:08
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/05/13/i3-group-brings-100mbps-fibrecity-uk-broadband-to-1-million-homes.html
It was confirmed today that Fibrecity networks are now planned for Derby, Halton, Nottingham, Plymouth and York, with a target to commence building within the next 12 months.
VM take note. Should they not be getting busy with their 200Mb trials in Coventry and Huddersfield?
*sloman*
15-05-2010, 00:32
VM take note. Should they not be getting busy with their 200Mb trials in Coventry and Huddersfield?
I have the same loyalty towards VM as they do me, when this is installed i'll be cancelling my BB subscription and moving to i3 Group. i'll keep my TV as On Demand is worth its weight in gold.
Ignitionnet
15-05-2010, 08:24
VM take note. Should they not be getting busy with their 200Mb trials in Coventry and Huddersfield?
Oh they know it works, it's just an uncapped modem and that announcement of 200Mbps trials outside of Ashford was Fibre To The Press Release. It's keeping the thing receiving something close to 200Mbps regularly that's the key.
*sloman*
15-05-2010, 10:21
What about upload can VM do 100mbps via DOCSIS?
bubblegun
15-05-2010, 10:42
What about upload can VM do 100mbps via DOCSIS?
Theoretically it would be 200Mbit up and down but the problem is their infrastructure couldn't cope at present.
According to Ignitionnet's blog they are probably going to go with 10Mbit.
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/05/13/i3-group-brings-100mbps-fibrecity-uk-broadband-to-1-million-homes.html
It was confirmed today that Fibrecity networks are now planned for Derby, Halton, Nottingham, Plymouth and York, with a target to commence building within the next 12 months.
Yes for Derby. As soon as this is possible to sign up, goodbye vm.
Ignitionnet
15-05-2010, 15:29
Theoretically it would be 200Mbit up and down but the problem is their infrastructure couldn't cope at present.
According to Ignitionnet's blog they are probably going to go with 10Mbit.
About 100Mbit max with the current hardware, 4 x 27Mbit. Minor issue that this is shared between everyone on those ports.
Expect 100Mbit/10Mbit and, when it comes in 2012, 200Mbit/20Mbit using bonding. Seems a reasonable expectation.
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Yes for Derby. As soon as this is possible to sign up, goodbye vm.
Oh for a ping artist like you fibre will be a dream, 1-2ms pings to default gateway ;)
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What about upload can VM do 100mbps via DOCSIS?
In theory yes, in practise no, no cable company can reliably offer 100Mbps upstream. The most aggressive ones are around the 15 - 25Mbit mark at the moment. 100Mbps upstream, just shared between an area ignoring reliably delivering that speed to customers, would be potentially more expensive than the original DOCSIS 3 rollout.
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As I just posted in another thread for those interested in upstream BT are making a 15Mbps upstream option available on their Fibre To The Cabinet network later this year.
*sloman*
16-05-2010, 11:53
Thanks Ignitionnet,
Saying that have any ISP's signed up to use i3 Groups network?
1-3ms ping is brilliant for gaming and to upload will help for hosting games. I prepared to pay £50-60pm for 100/100
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