50mb eta

[herc]

Anyone got an approx on 50mb service looks like the focus is going broadband services again;)

[kristoficus]

Anyone got an approx on 50mb service looks like the focus is going broadband services again;)

Woah, slow down there bud :D First of all they need to fix the network so that it can actually handle the 20mbit speeds with at least some kind of stability and reliability, and then make sure the 4->10mbit upgrade (im sure it will happen...sometime) doesnt cripple the network.

I dont see 50mbit being rolled out until at least Summer 2008, and that's being optimistic about it I think.

[xspeedyx]

As it is been trailled it is soon I agree with kris round about summer next year

[The Jackal]

Any ideas as to what the upstream will be ?

We don't want to be robbed again by Virgin Media :)

[xspeedyx]

as far as I have heard the upload will be a huge 1.5mb lol

[The Jackal]

****** ****** **** !"£$£"£$ *** !"£$%%$^%$& £$%£$%.

The UK is SO backwards when it comes to broadband.

Everyone is advancing not us ! DOH ! Asymmetric Fibre is rolling out in the states for crying out loud and we have to deal with 50mbps with a crippling 1.5meg up.

[xspeedyx]

lol me thinks you dont think thats a good upload I would atleast thing vm could do a 10mb upload on 50mb as I think they can only handle 16mb up but yet thats on docsis 1.0 and 50mb uses docsis 3 which can handle insane upload speeds

[Richy99]

its also a case of having the bandwidth available for that purpose on the different fequency spectrums

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****** ****** **** !"£$£"£$ *** !"£$%%$^%$& £$%£$%.

The UK is SO backwards when it comes to broadband.

Everyone is advancing not us ! DOH ! Asymmetric Fibre is rolling out in the states for crying out loud and we have to deal with 50mbps with a crippling 1.5meg up.

the states have always been ahead of the uk when it comes to internet speeds

[xspeedyx]

VM could have the bandwidth avaiable just need to upgrade the ubrs and the core network which I read ages ago thats what they are doing esp the core network

[Bonglet]

£30-50 million on advertising and 120,000 on upgrades and maintainance for this year i cant see it anytime soon tbh.

[TraxData]

lol me thinks you dont think thats a good upload I would atleast thing vm could do a 10mb upload on 50mb as I think they can only handle 16mb up but yet thats on docsis 1.0 and 50mb uses docsis 3 which can handle insane upload speeds

VM cannot do 10mbit upload on 50mbit, even though its using docsis3 they cant afford to implement bonded frequencies so max they could do is 5mbit.

1.2mbit is minimum needed just in overheads, so 1.5mbit is utterly pathetic to say the least and is also the worst ratio in the whole of the UK.

[Enuff]

42 days - 12 hours - 38 seconds, 37, 36, 35, 34, 33 etc... etc... etc... :D

[The Hitman]

I'd say that those kinda speeds will hit the uk in about 2101 approx.Give or take a decade. By that the internet will be long gone and replaced with something else. Please remember this is broadband britian. The High Tech. High Spec Country.Leading the world into the next century. Under our Prestegous Dicktater. The Right honourable Sir Gordon Brown :D

[Toto]

VM cannot do 10mbit upload on 50mbit, even though its using docsis3 they cant afford to implement bonded frequencies so max they could do is 5mbit.

1.2mbit is minimum needed just in overheads, so 1.5mbit is utterly pathetic to say the least and is also the worst ratio in the whole of the UK.

Since when has VM been using Docsis 3?

[TraxData]

Since when has VM been using Docsis 3?

VM are moving over to docsis3, it's the only way to provide 50mbit.

infact, 50mbit on docsis3 will be less stressful on the network than users on 20mbit with docsis 1.

VM are already using docsis3 in ashford/kent (select areas)
Considering how much it will cost to roll out completely, you wont be seeing 50mbit ANYTIME soon.

[Berealwith]

This is a big fat juicy Carrot...........LMAO

[|Kippa|]

You think we have it bad, my dad lives in Australia is stuck with a 1.5mbit download rate and 30gb a month cap. Things over here aren't perfect, but they sure aint bad.

[TraxData]

You think we have it bad, my dad lives in Australia is stuck with a 1.5mbit download rate and 30gb a month cap. Things over here aren't perfect, but they sure aint bad.

While that may be true, australia are currently rolling out FTTH, few years from now you'll be on symetric connections over there.

[Toto]

VM are moving over to docsis3, it's the only way to provide 50mbit.

infact, 50mbit on docsis3 will be less stressful on the network than users on 20mbit with docsis 1.

VM are already using docsis3 in ashford/kent (select areas)
Considering how much it will cost to roll out completely, you wont be seeing 50mbit ANYTIME soon.

So they couldn't be using EuroDOCSIS, which allows for 50Mbit, or do you have it on good authority that the current trials are using UBR's that support DOCSIS 3, and that they are trialing the speed using DOCSIS 3 and not EuroDOCSIS 2?

[InternetFollower]

So they couldn't be using EuroDOCSIS, which allows for 50Mbit, or do you have it on good authority that the current trials are using UBR's that support DOCSIS 3, and that they are trialing the speed using DOCSIS 3 and not EuroDOCSIS 2?

See here for some details:
http://www.cablelabs.com/news/newsletter/SPECS/AprilMay_2007/story7.html

[eth01]

What a stupid question to ask... I can't believe they are doing these trials for 50meg, when not even 20meg works correctly!

:mad:

[Toto]

What a stupid question to ask... I can't believe they are doing these trials for 50meg, when not even 20meg works correctly!

:mad:

No, its a very pertinent question to ask considering that VM have announced they are running consumer trials of a 50Mb service.

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See here for some details:
http://www.cablelabs.com/news/newsletter/SPECS/AprilMay_2007/story7.html

What exactly am I looking at in that document that confirms that VM are trying DOCSIS 3 as opposed to EuroDOCSIS 2, which can support 50Mbps?

It's a rather verbose document, and I am a tad eye sore at the moment.

[eth01]

No, its a very pertinent question to ask considering that VM have announced they are running consumer trials of a 50Mb service.

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That makes NO difference to my original comment, whatsoever. Do you ever have anything good to say? :o:

[Toto]

That makes NO difference to my original comment, whatsoever. Do you ever have anything good to say? :o:

Take your time reviewing the 1500 posts I have made, and come up with your own conclusions please. I shouldn't have to do that for you.

[JohnHorb]

What exactly am I looking at in that document that confirms that VM are trying DOCSIS 3 as opposed to EuroDOCSIS 2, which can support 50Mbps?

It's a rather verbose document, and I am a tad eye sore at the moment.

"While Virgin is exploring channel bonding in the pre-DOCSIS 3.0 phase with the intention of replacing existing DOCSIS infrastructure with the new 3.0 system once certification is complete, there's a chance the company will expand the pilot to a larger customer base this year without waiting for certification. As Charles Cheevers, CTO for Arris's European operation notes, the DOCSIS 2.0 Arris CMTS Virgin is using for its pilot, which has been upgraded via software to support channel bonding, can be upgraded to support DOCSIS 3.0 once the certification process is completed."

[homealone]

What a stupid question to ask... I can't believe they are doing these trials for 50meg, when not even 20meg works correctly!

:mad:

The point of the question is that the 50meg trial uses a completely different transmission protocol than the current 20meg service, so whether 20meg works 'correctly', at present, is not relevant.

Toto was trying to ascertain the actual protocol being used, as there is more than one 'available'.

[Toto]

"While Virgin is exploring channel bonding in the pre-DOCSIS 3.0 phase with the intention of replacing existing DOCSIS infrastructure with the new 3.0 system once certification is complete, there's a chance the company will expand the pilot to a larger customer base this year without waiting for certification. As Charles Cheevers, CTO for Arris's European operation notes, the DOCSIS 2.0 Arris CMTS Virgin is using for its pilot, which has been upgraded via software to support channel bonding, can be upgraded to support DOCSIS 3.0 once the certification process is completed."

Thanks for that. It would help if a spelled "Virgin" correctly when I did my word search. :dunce:

[wtaylor82]

lol me thinks you dont think thats a good upload I would atleast thing vm could do a 10mb upload on 50mb as I think they can only handle 16mb up but yet thats on docsis 1.0 and 50mb uses docsis 3 which can handle insane upload speeds

docsis version one theoretical speed is 10mb whereas docsis version three can handle up-to 100mb+.

I doubt this will happen for a number of reasons.

As for the roll out of 50mb service, the trials are still going with participants still allowed to register, therefore i would expect these trials to continue until 2008 and roll-out around the 2nd quarter.

You have to take into consideration there has already been a roll-out of the 20mb service this year.

Once we start getting into 50mb terrority its going to cause issues for the wifi routers that will support around 28mb (if i remember correctly).

In addition NTL will have to review hardware reviews considering some of the older ambit modems will not support the speeds.

Keep up the good work, but don't rush i say

[eth01]

Take your time reviewing the 1500 posts I have made, and come up with your own conclusions please. I shouldn't have to do that for you.

Sarcasm, is literally the lowest form of wit... :clap: I applaud you for your efforts though! But, in future don't bother! ;)

Then EVERYBODY on the XL (20MB) service, must (according to Toto, and a couple others) be in reciept of an excellent, speedy, fantastic service. Should they not?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623168-how-bad-can-it-get-20mb.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623266-slow-xl-bb-at-nn4.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623300-crappy-ty-20mb-bb-speeds-cardiff.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33618781-only-16mbps.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33620126-upgraded-20mb-speeds-worse-then-10mb.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33621917-20mb-hell.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33622078-am-i-being-ripped-off-my.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33621787-i-love-my-20mb-connection.html

Apparently not... I don't *quite* understand why you are trying to tell me that customers on the XL (20MB) service aren't getting the full potential available. :o:

[TUZZY]

Maybe the 50meg service will be as good as ADSL up to 8 meg service? For im getting 1 meg at nught on the 20meg service which for £28 a month is crap. Roll on 50meg, I might get over 8meg with that one. Cant wait. :o:

[xspeedyx]

50mb is atleast 6 months away atleast that give vm time to upgrade and if you look at the status page there is alot of network maintance

[eth01]

50mb is atleast 6 months away atleast that give vm time to upgrade and if you look at the status page there is alot of network maintance

True. Just seems odd, that they are going to start offering 50MB when not even 20MB works correctly. :confused:

[Berealwith]

I did post earlier its a Big fat juicy carrot..........just to keep you hanging in there...and if they do 50mb its for streaming HD tv.....and i bet you will have to pay for it...

[homealone]

Sarcasm, is literally the lowest form of wit... :clap: I applaud you for your efforts though! But, in future don't bother! ;)

Then EVERYBODY on the XL (20MB) service, must (according to Toto, and a couple others) be in reciept of an excellent, speedy, fantastic service. Should they not?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623168-how-bad-can-it-get-20mb.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623266-slow-xl-bb-at-nn4.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623300-crappy-ty-20mb-bb-speeds-cardiff.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33618781-only-16mbps.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33620126-upgraded-20mb-speeds-worse-then-10mb.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33621917-20mb-hell.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33622078-am-i-being-ripped-off-my.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33621787-i-love-my-20mb-connection.html

Apparently not... I don't *quite* understand why you are trying to tell me that customers on the XL (20MB) service aren't getting the full potential available. :o:

Again I have to say that comments regarding 20meg in this thread are irrelevant, this thread is about the 50Mb trial, which uses completely different equipment and protocols to the standard product.

Please post in the correct thread for replies relevant to your actual problem, thanks ;)

[slowcoach]

Again I have to say that comments regarding 20meg in this thread are irrelevant, this thread is about the 50Mb trial, which uses completely different equipment and protocols to the standard product.

Let's not forget that we are dealing with a used car dealer who has already sold what many would call a dud, will people be ready to cough up more money knowing what they know?

[Toto]

Sarcasm, is literally the lowest form of wit... :clap: I applaud you for your efforts though! But, in future don't bother! ;)

Then EVERYBODY on the XL (20MB) service, must (according to Toto, and a couple others) be in reciept of an excellent, speedy, fantastic service. Should they not?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623168-how-bad-can-it-get-20mb.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623266-slow-xl-bb-at-nn4.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33623300-crappy-ty-20mb-bb-speeds-cardiff.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33618781-only-16mbps.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33620126-upgraded-20mb-speeds-worse-then-10mb.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33621917-20mb-hell.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33622078-am-i-being-ripped-off-my.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12/33621787-i-love-my-20mb-connection.html

Apparently not... I don't *quite* understand why you are trying to tell me that customers on the XL (20MB) service aren't getting the full potential available. :o:

Well, I took the time to review the first three posts you referenced, and I didn't post in any of them, perhaps I didn't post in all of them, so my point still stands.

Perhaps, within this thread you can show me where I stated, in your words Then EVERYBODY on the XL (20MB) service, must (according to Toto, and a couple others) be in reciept of an excellent, speedy, fantastic service. Should they not? that VM's service was excellent?

My whole point of asking the question was to try to understand what method / protocal VM were planning to use to deliver a 50Mb service.

You need to make sure of the facts before calling me unhelpfull.

[eth01]

Well, I took the time to review the first three posts you referenced, and I didn't post in any of them, perhaps I didn't post in all of them, so my point still stands.

Perhaps, within this thread you can show me where I stated, in your words that VM's service was excellent?

My whole point of asking the question was to try to understand what method / protocal VM were planning to use to deliver a 50Mb service.

You need to make sure of the facts before calling me unhelpfull.

Please quote the post where I called you "unhelpfull"... :sleep: Until then, I have nothing more to say.

[wtaylor82]

seriously your looking longer than 6 months - have all the areas even had the upgrade to 20mb? have all the 50mb trials complete?

The answer is no.

So good luck to an early chance of getting 50mb, unless your in a trial area

[TraxData]

seriously your looking longer than 6 months - have all the areas even had the upgrade to 20mb? have all the 50mb trials complete?

The answer is no.

So good luck to an early chance of getting 50mb, unless your in a trial area

All areas have been upgraded to 20mbit.

And all the network (ubr) upgrades are in preperation for 50mbit roll out & to fix general lack of bandwith*.

Chance of 50mbit? trial phase finishes in 3-6 months, another 6-8 months for other tests and then you may start to see a very small rollout happen (with major cities getting it first, as always, and us a year later, as always)

[wtaylor82]

All areas have been upgraded to 20mbit.

And all the network (ubr) upgrades are in preperation for 50mbit roll out & to fix general lack of bandwith*.

Chance of 50mbit? trial phase finishes in 3-6 months, another 6-8 months for other tests and then you may start to see a very small rollout happen (with major cities getting it first, as always, and us a year later, as always)

I agree fella. Questions I am trying to get people to understand.

I think a minimum of 8-12 months before we see the roll-out.

In addition ppl are going to have to consider upgrading some of there own equipment

[xspeedyx]

Okay so its def vm will do 50MB but why complain about it as it will be upto you to upgrade so reall wouldnt fuss me unles sI upgraded and wasnt getting the speed

[hokkers999]

Sarcasm, is literally the lowest form of wit... [snip] a load of post references

Wow, you must have a LOT of time on your hands!

[etccarmageddon]

the network is always undergoing maintenance.

[Just John]

the network is always undergoing maintenance.

Maintenance or is it Firefighting ? :erm:

[Toto]

Please quote the post where I called you "unhelpfull"... :sleep: Until then, I have nothing more to say.

Your post #23, where you said that I didn't have anything good to say.

[piggy]

Maintenance or is it Firefighting ? :erm:

are you vm staff then:D

[xspeedyx]

are you vm staff then:D


no he looks at the status page

[Just John]

no he looks at the status page

lol :naughty:

[Horace]

According to the VM investors webcast, the rollout of Docsis3 which will enable 50meg will be througout 08 and into 09. So if you expect it sometime in July 2009 then you won't be disappointed. Docsis 1.1 will still be used for the lower tiers.