View Full Version : Youtube and various other Media sites Unwatchable.
Sirpingalot
02-09-2007, 20:30
I've noticed that in the past few weeks, media will not stream specifically off youtube. I'm getting way above what's required to play the media (although still poor compared to what I should be getting) but I cannot stream the videos. Is this down to Youtube, or Virgin Media?
Thanks
zing_deleted
02-09-2007, 20:35
try updating your flash player and java. Run all your clean ups
janipewter
02-09-2007, 21:30
You cannot stream them at all, or they just buffer too slow to watch the whole video at once?
Sirpingalot
02-09-2007, 23:29
They buffer too slowly to be watchable all at once.
thats down to the high latency still on the virgin media side when traffic shaping gets turned on for all at about 12ish midday then gets steadily worse till about 8pm at night when it starts picking back up ;(
Sirpingalot
03-09-2007, 00:24
thats down to the high latency still on the virgin media side when traffic shaping gets turned on for all at about 12ish midday then gets steadily worse till about 8pm at night when it starts picking back up ;(
But I never get shaped..I never download more than 3GB's a night, so I find it unusual. Plus, it's fine on my friends 2Mb connection in the evenings.
---------- Post added at 00:24 ---------- Previous post was at 00:23 ----------
oh..I'm sorry..I missread, traffic shaping gets turned on for all?
oh..I'm sorry..I missread, traffic shaping gets turned on for all?
meaning it's recording how much you download etc, just because some site doesnt max out your connection doesn't mean the ISP is to blame.
If shaping was to blame we'd all be affected. Which we're not.
slowcoach
03-09-2007, 07:33
If shaping was to blame we'd all be affected. Which we're not.
You would be if you were on the trial. ;)
But I never get shaped..I never download more than 3GB's a night, so I find it unusual. Plus, it's fine on my friends 2Mb connection in the evenings.
---------- Post added at 00:24 ---------- Previous post was at 00:23 ----------
oh..I'm sorry..I missread, traffic shaping gets turned on for all?
Dont get misinformed, it doesn't get turned on for all, only if you download over 3GB after 4pm and before 12am
well ive been traffic shaped every day since it began regardless of how much i downloaded which is why i was ranting on these forums way back when it started and guess what its still the same now, speeds have picked up a little but its still sucks tbh.
evilmonkey
03-09-2007, 10:21
the traffic shaping is nothing to do with it even if you were shaped down to the lowest tier you should still have enough bandwidth to stream at 50kb a second.
yeah i SHOULD have enough bandwith but when your watching something and you get 10 secs then rebuffering all the time does it not tell you somethings still wrong.
p.s no im not a noob ive bene on vm/telewest bb since it started more or less been through the lot with them and its really terrible how they have slipped since rebranding and changing for the worse id be happy back with stable 10mb.
evilmonkey
03-09-2007, 10:44
Well it is a lack of bandwidth for web streaming as I do also get the same problem. All fine during the day but my connection is rubbish of a night due to being oversubscribed but dont expect to see any form of expansion or upgrades until well after the same has gone through.
its a pity they have to say everywhere is oversubscibed now when it was all fine and dandy before the lolable upgrade and i dont belive for 1 minute that vm had a surge of increase in numbers or they are surging ahead now, as the last quarterly figures showed more people left than joined so there should be more bandwith for all so how is there not just goes to show really.
Sky sucks
03-09-2007, 11:30
Youtube is unwatchable now I think virgin are crippling it :(
i'd rather blame youtube seeing as i've been on other isps and youtube is just as bad at buffering all the time so i doubt its a bottleneck in the vm network otherwise you wouldn't be able to download over 50k/s which you can clearly do
janipewter
03-09-2007, 14:22
They buffer too slowly to be watchable all at once.
I have the exact same problem. 20Mb connection and can't even buffer a Youtube video faster than it can play, even though my friends 512Kb connection is capable of doing that.
Youtube fine in Leeds LS16 on 4Mb.
Youtube fine in Leeds LS16 on 4Mb.
fine here in manchester m24 on 2mb
Impz2002
03-09-2007, 18:22
I dont think this is a speed issue as i have the same problem with youtube all the time and my connection is fine speedwise. i get my full 20meg throughput so i imagine it has something to do with a ping/latency issue.
A quick tracert to youtube shows some pretty high pings and its not VM for a change. I dont know if the connection to the actual video is different but i would say that it was out of VM's hands !
Tracing route to www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com) [208.65.153.253]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 38 ms 15 ms 8 ms 10.120.0.1
2 10 ms 27 ms 29 ms leed-t2cam1-b-v116.inet.ntl.com [**.**.**.**]
3 19 ms 30 ms 8 ms host80-0-50-150.no-dns-yet.ntli.net [80.0.50.150]
4 26 ms 42 ms 31 ms lee-bb-b-so-020-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.175.69]
5 22 ms 28 ms 28 ms lee-bb-a-ge-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
6 29 ms 53 ms 28 ms nth-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.101]
7 28 ms 34 ms 32 ms tele-ic-1-as0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.2]
8 59 ms 38 ms 15 ms t3-4.mpd01.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.14.141]
9 13 ms 44 ms * v3491.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.221]
10 19 ms 40 ms 15 ms g2-0-0.core02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.61]
11 86 ms 84 ms 84 ms p9-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.253]
12 108 ms 86 ms 89 ms p5-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.170]
13 88 ms 117 ms 86 ms t4-4.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.118]
14 84 ms 85 ms 99 ms t4-4.mpd01.ewr03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.38]
15 102 ms 91 ms 81 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.101.84.66]
16 85 ms 87 ms 118 ms 10.33.128.17
17 125 ms 128 ms 107 ms 10.33.254.170
18 131 ms 116 ms 126 ms 64.15.116.5
19 156 ms 168 ms 201 ms 10.254.254.229
20 185 ms 195 ms 187 ms 10.254.254.249
21 157 ms 157 ms 178 ms 208.65.153.253
Trace complete.
Youtube fine in Leeds LS16 on 4Mb.
This is interesting, it seems there can be so much variation in service within one UBR. leeds is fine but its not working well here in sunny Harrogate HG3 !
sirpingalot , maybe a tracert may highlight the same issue for you ? that may prove our ping / latency theory !
Impz
Sky sucks
03-09-2007, 19:07
This is stuttering like crazy.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WXOXUtw7sXo
It's not VM. I am being traffic shaped this evening :erm: and yet YouTube is very poor but this one is cool http://video.aol.co.uk/video-film/1960408
I have this problem sometimes with youtube and sometimes not. Just from their server naming (not a particularly scientific method I admit!) it looks kind of like they have different content servers in different places. Some of these seem to be terrible for buffering on my VM connection and some aren't.
Sirpingalot
05-09-2007, 11:58
I dont think this is a speed issue as i have the same problem with youtube all the time and my connection is fine speedwise. i get my full 20meg throughput so i imagine it has something to do with a ping/latency issue.
A quick tracert to youtube shows some pretty high pings and its not VM for a change. I dont know if the connection to the actual video is different but i would say that it was out of VM's hands !
Tracing route to www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com) [208.65.153.253]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 38 ms 15 ms 8 ms 10.120.0.1
2 10 ms 27 ms 29 ms leed-t2cam1-b-v116.inet.ntl.com [**.**.**.**]
3 19 ms 30 ms 8 ms host80-0-50-150.no-dns-yet.ntli.net [80.0.50.150]
4 26 ms 42 ms 31 ms lee-bb-b-so-020-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.175.69]
5 22 ms 28 ms 28 ms lee-bb-a-ge-000-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.187.185]
6 29 ms 53 ms 28 ms nth-bb-b-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.101]
7 28 ms 34 ms 32 ms tele-ic-1-as0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.2]
8 59 ms 38 ms 15 ms t3-4.mpd01.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.14.141]
9 13 ms 44 ms * v3491.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.221]
10 19 ms 40 ms 15 ms g2-0-0.core02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1.61]
11 86 ms 84 ms 84 ms p9-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.253]
12 108 ms 86 ms 89 ms p5-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.170]
13 88 ms 117 ms 86 ms t4-4.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.118]
14 84 ms 85 ms 99 ms t4-4.mpd01.ewr03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.38]
15 102 ms 91 ms 81 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.101.84.66]
16 85 ms 87 ms 118 ms 10.33.128.17
17 125 ms 128 ms 107 ms 10.33.254.170
18 131 ms 116 ms 126 ms 64.15.116.5
19 156 ms 168 ms 201 ms 10.254.254.229
20 185 ms 195 ms 187 ms 10.254.254.249
21 157 ms 157 ms 178 ms 208.65.153.253
Trace complete.
This is interesting, it seems there can be so much variation in service within one UBR. leeds is fine but its not working well here in sunny Harrogate HG3 !
sirpingalot , maybe a tracert may highlight the same issue for you ? that may prove our ping / latency theory !
Impz
I'll do it later when I'm at home :)
thewiccaman
05-09-2007, 12:23
This is stuttering like crazy.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WXOXUtw7sXo
Streaming fine here in DE1 at 12.22pm
trevortt
05-09-2007, 12:24
My mate lives in Leeds and his 20Mb connection is alwasy at 20Mb regardless of how much he downloads, i barely hit 3GB a day and yet my net in Bradford is shocking. Most of the time i get less than 4Mb connection and streaming videos is riddicoulous.
I am on UBR3
Sirpingalot
05-09-2007, 12:28
I keep thinking it's down to the firefox addon, FasterFox - this caches pages before you click on them, so they're ready when you do..and given that there are lots of other videos on the page that will probably be caching, this could slow my connection down while loading the video that I want to watch in, right?
trevortt
05-09-2007, 12:32
I keep thinking it's down to the firefox addon, FasterFox - this caches pages before you click on them, so they're ready when you do..and given that there are lots of other videos on the page that will probably be caching, this could slow my connection down while loading the video that I want to watch in, right?
The only way to find out is to try watching the video on IE
Sirpingalot
05-09-2007, 17:16
1 20 ms 7 ms 11 ms 10.116.112.1
2 30 ms 213 ms 212 ms gsr01-lp.blueyonder.co.uk [62.30.0.129]
3 18 ms 16 ms 20 ms pc-62-30-249-29-ha.blueyonder.co.uk [62.30.249.2
9]
4 15 ms 15 ms 23 ms pc-62-30-249-37-ha.blueyonder.co.uk [62.30.249.3
7]
5 15 ms 16 ms 15 ms kno-rab-kno-cai-pos.telewest.net [194.117.136.66
]
6 18 ms 16 ms 18 ms tele1-know-rab.telewest.net [194.117.136.158]
7 16 ms 19 ms 20 ms g1-13.mpd01.lon02.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.14
.73]
8 16 ms 17 ms 19 ms v3490.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.
217]
9 15 ms 18 ms 17 ms g9-0-0.core01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.
1.77]
10 92 ms 92 ms 95 ms p3-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.18
9]
11 90 ms 90 ms 91 ms p5-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.17
0]
12 89 ms 101 ms 206 ms t4-4.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.11
8]
13 111 ms 93 ms 89 ms t4-2.mpd01.ewr03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.30
]
14 88 ms 101 ms 89 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.101.84.66]
15 90 ms 87 ms 88 ms 10.33.128.17
16 119 ms 109 ms 113 ms 10.33.254.170
17 108 ms 107 ms 108 ms 64.15.116.9
18 163 ms 163 ms 161 ms 10.254.254.229
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 166 ms 164 ms 163 ms 208.65.153.253
Trace complete.
trevortt
05-09-2007, 17:45
Tracing route to www.youtube.com [208.65.153.251]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms cable.ubr03.brad.blueyonder.co.uk
2 27 ms 9 ms 8 ms 10.153.128.1
3 9 ms 10 ms 14 ms 62.30.241.38
4 16 ms 17 ms 20 ms 62.30.252.10
5 14 ms 15 ms 17 ms 194.117.136.166
6 59 ms 46 ms 44 ms host-194-117-147-74.telewest.net [194.117.147.74
]
7 49 ms 45 ms 45 ms v3490.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.2.
217]
8 44 ms 44 ms 43 ms g9-0-0.core01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.
1.77]
9 99 ms 100 ms 103 ms p3-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.18
9]
10 102 ms 98 ms 100 ms p5-0.core02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.17
0]
11 98 ms 101 ms 99 ms t4-4.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.11
8]
12 100 ms 97 ms 115 ms t4-2.mpd01.ewr03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.30
]
13 199 ms 98 ms 105 ms you-tube-llc.demarc.cogentco.com [38.101.84.66]
14 95 ms 92 ms 103 ms 10.33.128.17
15 114 ms 111 ms 116 ms 10.33.254.170
16 234 ms 203 ms 203 ms 64.15.116.13
17 316 ms 313 ms 307 ms 10.254.254.229
18 316 ms 310 ms 322 ms 10.254.254.249
19 218 ms 210 ms 187 ms 208.65.153.251
Trace complete.
yep same for me, ever since traffic shaping been brought in its not even worth going on any sites that require streaming becase you have to wait for the buffer!, its not what i pay £38 pound for thats for certain
ok.. i have just had it confirmed that ALL ISP's are exp this problem with youtube.
including buisiness VMEDIA and BT accounts aswell as some Bulldog Accounts..
all experiencing the same issue...
so apparently "ITS NOT VIRGIN"
I dont think this is a speed issue as i have the same problem with youtube all the time and my connection is fine speedwise. i get my full 20meg throughput so i imagine it has something to do with a ping/latency issue.
A quick tracert to youtube shows some pretty high pings and its not VM for a change. I dont know if the connection to the actual video is different but i would say that it was out of VM's hands !
This is interesting, it seems there can be so much variation in service within one UBR. leeds is fine but its not working well here in sunny Harrogate HG3 !
sirpingalot , maybe a tracert may highlight the same issue for you ? that may prove our ping / latency theory !
Impz
HG3 is terrible for gaming as well, stuttering connection on 20MB with no shaping :( - I have to use a ADSL connection for the gaming unfortunately
blackbob
11-09-2007, 21:49
just as a counterpoint to Ben_B i am also in M24 but on 20 meg with vip and i can't watch any streaming vids ,even 300kps re-buffers after 5-10 secs
I think its the randomness of the connection that i find most annoying
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