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Jerrek
01-10-2003, 20:19
HYPOTHETICAL

An inventor invents a stardrive. For sake of argument, let us say a warp drive. It works exactly like in Star Trek in that you need two parallel pieces of whatever to generate a warp field. In addition, those nacelles can also be configured to operate as an impulse drive (for atmospheric flights). Lets also go with the assumption that the power requirements can be easily satisfied (you come up with something, it isn't important).

The technology gets patented, but instead of asking for royalties the inventor publishes all relevant information in a scientific journal. Anyone is allowed to use the technology, whether it be for profit or for private use.

Estimated cost to build a small space craft that can hold 5 people+ cargo: $1,000,000. This craft can do 1 light year per hour. Estimated cost to operate space craft per hour: $5,000 for everything.

Estimated cost to build a medium space craft that can hold 50 people + cargo: $10,000,000. This craft can do 1 light year per hour. Estimated cost to operate space craft per hour: $20,000 for everything.



Lets also say that there are tens of thousands of solar systems that have a class M planet, which can sustain human life. They are all uncharted, but not too hard to find.


What do you think will happen to the politics of this world? What do you think will be the impact of this?


How do you think SHOULD the politics be handled? How should this be dealt with?


Some points to consider:

- The prices are so that people with money can start building space crafts, and that sort of rich people can easily save up to relocate. To move some of the nutbar organizations that will no doubt start (say 1,000 people) will, for example, require 25 trips in the medium space craft (to take lots of supplies), and say the journey is 10 hours. That is 20 hours to return to earth and pick up another load, and altogether 500 hours. That comes to $10,000 per person.

- Lots of people, LOTS, will want to go explore new worlds. Assuming a fair number have the money, how do you plan on regulating all these travelers?

- What about countries that claim certain planets, or entire systems for mining rights?

- What about companies that claim planets? Or systems?

- What about people that claim planets?

- What about the huge number of earth to space traveling?

- What about the politicians? More specifically, the United Nations...

Atomic22
01-10-2003, 20:27
jerrek you watch waaaaaaaaay to much tv

Mark W
01-10-2003, 20:33
[QUOTE=Jerrek]HYPOTHETICAL

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you know, you got way too much time on your hands ;)

I think some sort of international space commision will be needed. this will regulate travel etc.

The big stumbing block will be as you say, mining rights/ownership etc.

the US put the first man on the moon, tho - surprisingly actually - they have not claimed it as their own.
I belive it is still the case that who ever finds it, keeps it when it comes to land...but then to quote a fave author of mine "its dont so much belong to the person who first puts his foot on it, but the person who manages to get that foot back home first"

I have an image of a lawless society in pace for a long while till it gets sorted - afterall, the most powerful nation on earth cant even keep the peace in a rundown country - how will they manage in limitless space?

Think back to the times of the wild west - a free-for-all, if you had the power - weaponry i guess - to hold onto it, its yours......

Chris
01-10-2003, 22:19
There is an international treaty that bans any nation from staking a claim on any piece of off-world territory. Ironically it's this very treaty that some wacko in the USA is using to 'sell' plots of land on the moon to prospectors - he points out that the treaty bans 'nations' but not individuals. :rolleyes:

Seeing as we're quoting Star Trek at length, the discovery of warp drive will introduce humans to a galactic community that will, for the first time, show us that we're not alone and lead us to abandon all war and co-operate in unprecedented ways to seek out and explore strange new worlds etc. :D

You don't run impulse drive through the warp nacelles, it's a separate system ;)

homealone
01-10-2003, 23:14
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You don't run impulse drive through the warp nacelles, it's a separate system ;)

Blakes 7 - "Standard" & "Standard by 8" was less complicated?:D

Graham
01-10-2003, 23:46
HYPOTHETICAL

An inventor invents a stardrive. [...] Lets also say that there are tens of thousands of solar systems that have a class M planet

What do you think will happen to the politics of this world? What do you think will be the impact of this? How do you think SHOULD the politics be handled? How should this be dealt with?

Why should the politics of this world have anything to do with it?? Hell, the only relevant point is that any group can stroll off and set up their own "perfect world", be it religious, secular, whites only, kinky perverts only(!) or whatever.

There's lots of '50s and '60s SF that deals with these subjects.

QUOTE: Lots of people, LOTS, will want to go explore new worlds.

Lots more will be quite content to stay at home, thank you very much!

QUOTE: What about countries that claim certain planets, or entire systems for mining rights?

QUOTE: What about companies that claim planets? Or systems?

Frankly what you're going to end up with is "frontier law", ie whoever has the biggest/ most guns makes the rules.

Hmm, "welcome to Micro$oft world. Sorry, you can't land here, your shuttle craft run Linux!"

QUOTE: - What about the politicians?

Stick them all in a space ship and tell them that they're going to a whole planet all of their own! (Then disable the stardrive a few lightyears into the flight!!)

Xaccers
02-10-2003, 03:11
Goverments would build their own fleets, so you may have a similar situation in space as we have down here with navies.
The agreement about nations claiming planets only applies to our solar system, so nations could send out colonies probably setting up garrisons and coming under the protection of the nation's space navy

You may get independants going out to colonize, but who's going to protect them?
There's likely to be trade between worlds, and with trade ships you'll get pirates.

You're also likely to start getting evolutionary diversity between the diferent colonies as they adapt to the various environments of their new homes.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if we landed on an occupied planet

zoombini
02-10-2003, 08:18
America will claim the entire space for themselves...

Chris
02-10-2003, 11:11
Blakes 7 - "Standard" & "Standard by 8" was less complicated?:D
Yes, from the good old days of sci fi when you didn't have to back up your technobabble with pseudo-scientific explanations. Even Trek fans have got tired of this, and there's a website out there somewhere dedicated to spotting and listing all the particles invented during the Voyager series. Can't remember the URL tho'...

Speed, Standard by eight ... confirmed. <blip> You can't beat it...:)

downquark1
02-10-2003, 11:17
Yes, from the good old days of sci fi when you didn't have to back up your technobabble with pseudo-scientific explanations. Even Trek fans have got tired of this, and there's a website out there somewhere dedicated to spotting and listing all the particles invented during the Voyager series. Can't remember the URL tho'...

Speed, Standard by eight ... confirmed. <blip> You can't beat it...:)
I thought they just used tachyons for everything. They must be the most versitile particle, they produce time travel, they detect cloaked ships, they can be used to penetrate hulls etc, etc.

timewarrior2001
02-10-2003, 11:22
I reckon the US will declare war on the universe as it has Informtaion relating to alleged weapons of mass destruction being held by the high lord Zorg. It will then leech all the oil from the said universe and use it to fuel their gas guzzling cars whilst it enslaves the people of these other worlds into the "American dream".
The universal anthem will be god bless america and then the star spangled banner.

Scary innit?

Chris
02-10-2003, 11:32
I reckon the US will declare war on the universe as it has Informtaion relating to alleged weapons of mass destruction being held by the high lord Zorg. It will then leech all the oil from the said universe and use it to fuel their gas guzzling cars whilst it enslaves the people of these other worlds into the "American dream".
The universal anthem will be god bless america and then the star spangled banner.

Scary innit?:rofl:

Now that reminds me of an old edition of New Internationalist magazine from 1991 ... it turned itself into a comic book called Starve Trek based loosely on the adventures of James Kirk etc ... it was actually quite funny! Read it online here:

http://www.newint.org/issue218/contents.htm