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*yawns*
Let's get summat going: Who do you want to win on Weds, Liverpool or Milan?
Liverpool all the way - I'm a firm believer in supporting all of the English teams in Europe.
If their defence have a good game, I reckon they'll nick it by the odd goal - if Cisse plays, his pace should cause Milans defence some problems, as they are all getting on a bit now.
i want liverpool to win to **** off chelsea.
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Robert Atkins
23-05-2005, 12:19
This thread is pre-mature. The 2004-2005 Scottish cup has not been played yet.;)
This thread is pre-mature. The 2004-2005 Scottish cup has not been played yet.;)
Mod edit (Chris T): Offensive smiley removed
orangebird
23-05-2005, 12:36
This thread is pre-mature. The 2004-2005 Scottish cup has not been played yet.;)
So? :shrug:
So? :shrug:So, it's still the 2004-2005 season for some fans. :)
So? :shrug:So, it's still the 2004-2005 season for some fans. :)
About 3 such is teh tinpot nature of teh Scottish Cup. worse than the ldv vans.
Okay, lets move on from silly arguments please. Much as it pains me to back Liverpool - I want the English team to win. :)
Would like to see the pool fetch it back, but my head says Milan will be to strong.
Am I the only person who wants to see Liverpool get a total hiding?
Am I the only person who wants to see Liverpool get a total hiding?
Nope, me too and probably 90% of Forest fans.
i'd like to see an English team win and and liverpool get to keep the trophy if they win it as well..
you have to support the British teams unless it's Arsenal ;-)
I can honestly say I'm not all that bothered either way, although I feel slightly indebted to Liverpool for knocking Chelsea out.
Up the 'pool, I say. They cheered us on on Saturday so I'm going for a nailbiting 120 minutes of defensive brilliance followed by penalties, with Gerrard getting the winner.
May I say, good luck to Liverpool tonight :disturbd:
Hope the 'Pool stuff the Italians tonight *gnashs teeth*
I hope they do it. If only because my boss will be gutted for weeks if they don't...
Meelan!! Meelan!! Meelan!!
I'm hoping the Scousers do it cos my dad is a Liverpool fan, in hospital at the moment and I really don't want him getting stressed or upset.
Meelan!! Meelan!! Meelan!!
a-hole! a-hole! :angel: :D
ill be watching as a neutral but liverpool deserve to win, they have played very well in europe this season.
I have a tattoo riding on this! ;)
Up the 'pool, I say. They cheered us on on Saturday so I'm going for a nailbiting 120 minutes of defensive brilliance followed by penalties, with Gerrard getting the winner.
Defensive brilliance, don't make me laugh. You would not recognise it if it bit you on the leg. If Wengers tactics were defensive then Arsenal failed miserably in comparison to Liverpool.
If you set out to play 4-5-1 or even 4-6-0 as Arsenal did for long periods, and your opponents get 8 clear cut chances and a corner count of 12 to 1, then you have put up an awful defensive performance. The one and only reason that the game went to penalties was down to United's inabilty to score, it had nothing at all to do with the scared, ineffective performance from Arsenal over the whole of the 120 minutes of 'real football'.
When Liverpool played Chelsea in the Semi final 2nd leg, Chelsea had only one decent chance throughout the game, and that was in the dying minutes, now that was 'defensive brilliance'
Come on Liverpool.:)
52 seconds in maldini scores from a free kick with him volleying it home on the bounce.
:shrug: oh well, not a boring 0-0 draw in store then
allieyoung666
25-05-2005, 20:14
I want he reds to win!!!!
oh dear 2-0 well worked by ac milan, liverpools defense in tatters....
:( not looking good now for liverpool but what a fantastic goal by milan
make that 3-0 great play by ac milan and a good finish from crespo for his second of the night.
It's all done and dusted now. Liverpool might as well have stopped at home.
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make that 3-0 great play by ac milan and a good finish from crespo for his second of the night.
Not bad for a guy on loan from Chelsea is it :D :D
gary_580
25-05-2005, 20:46
Not bad for a guy on loan from Chelsea is it :D :D
Ironic really when you think what happened last round
Ironic really when you think what happened last round
Very true.
3-1! nice cross for riise with an excellent twisting towering header by steven gerrard!
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3-2! smicer with a thunderous low drive!
:eek: :eek: flippin heck
I know looks like being a good 2nd half
penalty! gattuso brings gerrard down!
save by dida from xabi alonso but alonso picks up the rebound in to the roof of the net!
goaaaaaaaaaaaal 3-3 game on! :shocked:
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
gary_580
25-05-2005, 21:05
It's all done and dusted now. Liverpool might as well have stopped at home.
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really? :D
its because of the substitution made to bring DD on, i still dont know why kewell was on for him, but he is an excellent player and brings that something extra to the team.
3-3 what a game..................phew
really? :D
No not now
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its because of the substitution made to bring DD on, i still dont know why kewell was on for him, but he is an excellent player and brings that something extra to the team.
What was he doing starting with Kewel he's had it.
just to clarify i meant hamann is an excellent play, must say gerrard being given the licence to roam helps and luis garcia has played better and xabi alonso also picked up his game.
now they need to attack ac milan in extra time, the last ten minutes were poor from liverpool.
:( nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo a penalty shootout
i know whats bound to happen here :erm:
Liverpool 1-0 up after first penalties
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milan miss their second...
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Liverpool score! 2-0.
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Milan's third goes in
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Liverpool miss!
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2-1 Liverpool.
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Fourth round now... Milan score
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Liverpool score! Match point. 3-2.
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And Milan miss!
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A save by Dudek, and we win the cup! :beer: :D :D :D :beer:
Yeah - England rule europe again :D
BLOODY HELL FIRE, WHAT A RESULT !!!!!!!!!! :tu: :tu: :tu: :D :D :D
hope my dads hooked upto the oxygen machine in the hospital :erm:
Back in the best footballing country in the world
Back in the best footballing country in the world
And the best footballing city in the world, to boot. ;) :p:
gary_580
25-05-2005, 22:32
And the best footballing city in the world, to boot. ;) :p:
stop taking those drugs
Kerwallop. What a game. Congratulations unbounded!
Is that it?Is it over..
Then maybe one errant husband will be strolling through the door any moment..to find his dinner is in the bin. :mad:
Lads if you are going to truant on the way home from work then make sure the wife/gf/bf knows where you are...a phone call can save so much irritation.. :erm:
COME ON!!!!!
LIVERPEWL LIVERPEWL LIVERPEWL
:D :D :D :D
gary_580
25-05-2005, 22:34
two cups in a week won on a lucky penalty shoot out. Yawn!! shouldnt be allowed to be decided that way
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Is that it?Is it over..
Then maybe one errant husband will be strolling through the door any moment..to find his dinner is in the bin. :mad:
Lads if you are going to truant on the way home from work then make sure the wife/gf/bf knows where you are...a phone call can save so much irritation.. :erm:
excuse me?? bit sexist
Wifes watching the match not me, she usually goes awol being late ;)
Well done Liverpool. Fantastic result from 3-0 down.:tu:
Is that it?Is it over..
Then maybe one errant husband will be strolling through the door any moment..to find his dinner is in the bin. :mad:
Lads if you are going to truant on the way home from work then make sure the wife/gf/bf knows where you are...a phone call can save so much irritation.. :erm:
Well, I am at home, and ne'er a drop has touched my lips, seeing as Mrs T could go into labour at any moment and I'm the designated driver ... :D
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two cups in a week won on a lucky penalty shoot out. Yawn!! shouldnt be allowed to be decided that way
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excuse me?? bit sexist
Wifes watching the match not me, she usually goes awol being late ;)
Is it just me, or are you somewhat underwhelmed by this whole event...
Wifes watching the match not meDitto, if it were left to me I wouldn't have watched it - just caught up on the result later.
gary_580
25-05-2005, 22:38
Is it just me, or are you somewhat underwhelmed by this whole event...
good result from a bad situation and great that an english team has won it
but penalties again!! and now were going ot get a barrage of scallys going on and on about Liverpool being the best european football team in England again!! its only just died off since the last time they won it
will be interesting to see what UEFA do now seeings as Liverpool cant defend the title
will be interesting to see what UEFA do now seeings as Liverpool cant defend the title
It's daft that the holders don't get a bye into the next tournament like they do in the World Cup. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for UEFA to do something as sensible as to change the rules in this case.
gary_580
25-05-2005, 22:44
It's daft that the holders don't get a bye into the next tournament like they do in the World Cup. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for UEFA to do something as sensible as to change the rules in this case.
they used to didnt they? in the 80's
paulyoung666
25-05-2005, 22:47
well done to liverpool :tu:
congratulations to liverpool, its a shame they might not be able to defend the champions league, they should bring automatic qualification in.
Don't know ... but Tyldsley was just saying UEFA is going to have a meeting and decide whether Liverpool will be allowed to defend the cup after all.
gary_580
25-05-2005, 22:49
Don't know ... but Tyldsley was just saying UEFA is going to have a meeting and decide whether Liverpool will be allowed to defend the cup after all.
it will happen.
Its not as if the FA could do anything without causing a riot on Merseyside
Don't know ... but Tyldsley was just saying UEFA is going to have a meeting and decide whether Liverpool will be allowed to defend the cup after all.
i heared that too but to be honest i dont have trust in beurocracy.
To settle major competitions on penalties is not a fair way of deciding a major game, a replay at the least.
Bloody hell. Fantastic result. Well done Liverpool!!!!
timewarrior2001
25-05-2005, 22:53
To settle major competitions on penalties is not a fair way of deciding a major game, a replay at the least.
But its done and it does settle the game, I wouldnt have thought many scousers would want to return to Turkey in a few weeks for a replay.
And look at it another way, after 90 mins plus 30 mins stoppage time, Liverpool were the team that had enough left to concentrate. So the better team on the night won.
Its excellent to see an English team do well, and for the record I'm not particularly fond of liverpool..........or Man Utd for that matter, and its nice to dream, thats what we Boro fans do lol
To settle major competitions on penalties is not a fair way of deciding a major game, a replay at the least.
nah, im a fan of penalties because its a test of the keepers and players mentally its the thrill of not knowing which way the kicker will take his penalty and the keeper not knowing which way unless he goes the right way...so many combinations to win too :) ;)
gary_580
25-05-2005, 22:59
nah, im a fan of penalties because its a test of the keepers and players mentally its the thrill of not knowing which way the kicker will take his penalty and the keeper not knowing which way unless he goes the right way...so many combinations to win too :) ;)
Kicker ;) its not american football :D
too much of a lottery for me
Kicker ;) its not american football :D
too much of a lottery for me
penalty taker, penalty kick taker all the same :p:
some people are so picky :p: as a bunch of thorns or is that *****ly :erm:
Kicker ;) its not american football :D
too much of a lottery for me
It is, but there is something to be said for having a decision on the night. Imagine having to have a replay for the World Cup final. Not nice :)
I wonder how many Liverpudlians will actually make it into work tomorrow oops: :LOL:
I wonder how many Liverpudlians will actually make it into work tomorrow oops: :LOL:
I'm expecting a quiet train ride tomorrow morning :)
The fireworks have started...
if your a man utd fan here (many are) then watch the ITV news now after the break malcom glazer gets cornered and refuses to answer questions about man utd and grins like an idiot :rolleyes:
malcom glazer gets cornered and refuses to answer questions about man utd and grins like an idiot :rolleyes:
Well, he is American...
if your a man utd fan here (many are) then watch the ITV news now after the break malcom glazer gets cornered and refuses to answer questions about man utd and grins like an idiot :rolleyes:
He looks like a complete buffoon with a idiotic smile on his chops, talk about the lights on but no-one at home. Whats up Malc, cat got your tongue ?? :knock:
He looks like a complete buffoon with a idiotic smile on his chops, talk about the lights on but no-one at home. Whats up Malc, cat got your tongue ?? :knock:
yep, i agree his sons seem jerks too to use a phrase common phrase ;)
Well, he is American...
lets not hate on countries....just the people who run them :erm:
Well didn't take me long but I'm sick of "you'll never walk alone" already :rolleyes: :erm: :Sprint:
im happy for them congrats (yes im a man utd fan)
Now if the "Pool" had lost on pens, i wonder how many would have been in here having a whinge?
It's daft that the holders don't get a bye into the next tournament like they do in the World Cup. But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for UEFA to do something as sensible as to change the rules in this case.
As far as I am aware the hosts get a bye, the holders of the World Cup do not.
As far as I am aware the hosts get a bye, the holders of the World Cup do not.I think the hosts and holders get a bye. :)
I think the hosts and holders get a bye. :)
To be honest I am not sure, but a few days ago I read an article in the Telegraph on the very subject of Liverpool's possible entry as holders and someone from UEFA said that he could see no reason why they should, as even the World Cup holders do not get automatic entry into the next competition.
Clarification needed I think.
Charlie_Bubble
26-05-2005, 00:40
Up to and including the world cup in 2002 the host country and holders have automatically qualified. This time, it has changed, don't ask me why, to only the hosts automatically qualifying.
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/en/fwc_formats_en.pdf
TigaSefi
26-05-2005, 00:52
Liverpool!!! Liverpool!!! What a team!! and what a game!!!! and What a WIN!!!!!!!!
Up to and including the world cup in 2002 the host country and holders have automatically qualified. This time, it has changed, don't ask me why, to only the hosts automatically qualifying.
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/en/fwc_formats_en.pdf
Looking at that document, I just wondered if joint organisation might play a role. In 2002 Japan/Korea organised, and with France being the holder, only 29 teams actually played to qualify. Perhaps they figured having a potential 3 out of 32 qualify automatically was pushing it a little?
Charlie_Bubble
26-05-2005, 01:07
Looking at that document, I just wondered if joint organisation might play a role. In 2002 Japan/Korea organised, and with France being the holder, only 29 teams actually played to qualify. Perhaps they figured having a potential 3 out of 32 qualify automatically was pushing it a little?
Possibly.
35 hours and I fly out to Chicago to watch England in their US tour games. :) Driving from Chicago to New York for the second game v Columbia! Should be a laugh. Will still be on a high from tonight's win too. :D
sir_drinks_alot
26-05-2005, 01:16
I have never in all my days of watching football seen a cup Final like that before Well done liverpool well done.
STONEISLAND
26-05-2005, 08:31
Proberly the best game I have ever watched
gary_580
26-05-2005, 08:44
UEFA has said this morning that they will not change the rules to allow Liverpool to defend the title. They say it is up to the FA to allow them to take one of the English clubs places
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Proberly the best game I have ever watched
Man U's last european win was better. No penalties and losing 1-0 with 1 minute to go
Well done Liverpool. :bigcry:
Up to and including the world cup in 2002 the host country and holders have automatically qualified. This time, it has changed, don't ask me why, to only the hosts automatically qualifying.
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/en/fwc_formats_en.pdf
Thanks for that, It was not my imagination then.:)
UEFA has said this morning that they will not change the rules to allow Liverpool to defend the title. They say it is up to the FA to allow them to take one of the English clubs places
Aye, and guess who finished fourth in the Premiership ... there would be riots on the streets ... :rofl: :D :erm:
Aye, and guess who finished fourth in the Premiership ... there would be riots on the streets ... :rofl: :D :erm:
But would they have to take fourth place? Let's face it, on their form in the Chamions League over the last 5 years, I'm sure Arsenal or Man Utd would donate their place to have a year off :p:
was a good game but really showed the difference between English teams and Italian one.. also applies to the national team.. when Milan had the ball they passed it on the deck.. when Liverpool had it it was hoofed up field and kept coming back..
Never a pen in my view as there was barely any contact.. maybe even none and not enogh to push someone over..
still glad they won though and great to have an English team as champs of Europe..
if you go the uefa web site and go to publications you can see in the rules it is down to the league association to see who should qualify out of holders and leage positions.. that's been the rules all season so how can they change it now. when this happened in Spain a few years back the fourth place team had to go into the UEFA cup..
I blame UEFA as ALL the champ teams be it TNS, Gorica, MTK should go into the group stages automatically and then if they want second and third place teams they should qualify.. it's just invented as a cash cow to make sure the Spanish, Italian and English teams get more money and don't get knocked out by some Eastern European team in the first round
just to say it again well done liverpool
if your a man utd fan here (many are) then watch the ITV news now after the break malcom glazer gets cornered and refuses to answer questions about man utd and grins like an idiot :rolleyes:
Ever notice how much the ginger buffoon looks like John McCrirrick?
Ever notice how much the ginger buffoon looks like John McCrirrick?
who ? :confused:
Chimaera
26-05-2005, 19:05
Ever notice how much the ginger buffoon looks like John McCrirrick?
who ? :confused:
Could he possibly mean Mr Glazer? :shrug: :D
If it is then yes, Russ, he does! :rofl:
Just a thought, after Liverpool's remarkable come back last night, which brought back memories of United's last minute win against Bayern, has an English club ever lost a European Cup/Champions League final ?
I don't mean the second rate Cup Winners/Fairs Cup/ EUFA Cup etc.
who ? :confused:
Horse racing bloke, can't keep his hands still when he talks, was in his huge white y-fronts in Celebrity Big Brother.
Horse racing bloke, can't keep his hands still when he talks, was in his huge white y-fronts in Celebrity Big Brother.
oh the old git with the cap! yep he does lol :p:
sir_drinks_alot
26-05-2005, 20:07
Just a thought, after Liverpool's remarkable come back last night, which brought back memories of United's last minute win against Bayern, has an English club ever lost a European Cup/Champions League final ?
I don't mean the second rate Cup Winners/Fairs Cup/ EUFA Cup etc.
Yup leeds back in the 70's and liverpool lost to Juventus back in 85
Yup leeds back in the 70's and liverpool lost to Juventus back in 85
I remember them both now, but not for the best of reasons. :(
Celtic lost in 70 or 71.. and Liverpool in 85.. think those are the only ones we lost in the European Cup
there's another English club that lost in the final.. but not sure when \ who
there's another English club that lost in the final.. but not sure when \ who
I think SDAL is right, the reason I remember them for the wrong reasons, one was Heysel and was the other one the time In Paris when the Leeds thugs destroyed part of the stadium?
yah just checked on the uefa site.. liverpool 85 lost to Juve and 75 when leeds lost to Munich
TigaSefi
27-05-2005, 11:31
It's nearly the weekend and i am still chuffed to bits... Still watching the match over and over :D remind me, who won the premiership ? ;)
Carroll (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4586683.stm) allowed to leave United, along with a few others........
Shay Given, come on Fergie.
yah just checked on the uefa site.. liverpool 85 lost to Juve and 75 when leeds lost to Munich
We won it in 79 and 80 :) the good days
Shadow Demon UK
27-05-2005, 15:19
Apparently the Welsh champions TNS were willing to allow Liverpool to take their place in the first qualifying round of the Champions league next season if they beat them in a one off Play-off match. Uefa said this was totally fair and leagal but the Welsh FA rejected it saying if TNS decided to do this then they would let a different Welsh team qualify instead.
roy caroll has been released by manchester united:
Ramon Calliste, Ben Collett, Daniel Nardiello, David Poole, Lee Lawrence and Paul Tierney have also been let go.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4586683.stm
what a shame i was a fan of his!
Shadow Demon UK
27-05-2005, 15:27
This means Ferguson must believe he will be able to buy a new keeper, as all he has now is Howard?
A bit of a strange thing to do IMO with all the money talk with Glazer taking over if he wants to buy a new keeper.
roy caroll has been released by manchester united:
Ramon Calliste, Ben Collett, Daniel Nardiello, David Poole, Lee Lawrence and Paul Tierney have also been let go.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4586683.stm
what a shame i was a fan of his!
Get Barry Roche... free agent, ex-Ireland U21 international, last minute penalty save on his debut...
Get Barry Roche... free agent, ex-Ireland U21 international, last minute penalty save on his debut...
I think it could be Paul Robinson from Spurs, but Spurs want £8M, it's Glazer's money now so who cares :shrug:
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Shay Given, come on Fergie.
That wouldn't be a bad choice actually. :tu:
apparently, from BBC news (Scotland):
Strachan/Celtic in for Anti Niemi (spelling) would be a good signing, but he has already played for the dark side.
ik
Wahoooo, now this (http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/lifestyle/arts_music/news/2005/05/27/2e34baf0-1bf3-4153-8728-296fe7cbeb88.lpf) is worth going to the Abbey Stadium for :D
Well, I hope that Proud Preston, hammer the Hammers this weekend and join the other seven Lancashire sides in the Premiership. :cool:
Well I was sort of right about my dad, he started with pains after the first Liverpool goal, on oxygen for the second and having an ECG for the third so he missed all the excitement of the penalty shootout :erm:
paulyoung666
27-05-2005, 23:49
Well I was sort of right about my dad, he started with pains after the first Liverpool goal, on oxygen for the second and having an ECG for the third so he missed all the excitement of the penalty shootout :erm:
hope he is doing ok now :tu:
Well done Forlan, he ended the season as La Liga's top scorer with 25 goals overtaking Eto'o last night.
Diego oooohhhhh
Diego oooohhhhh
He came from Uruguay
He made the scousers cry
i'm pleased for him.. he's a top bloke and always had more skill that he was given credit for.. always thought he'd do well in the Spanish league and i think he has found it easier to settle in Spain than cold manchester as well
It gets worse...............
Glazer has taken on up to £921 million of debt, both personal and corporate, to acquire United.
If this debt is allowed to run for at least 7 years, then the accumulated repayment value could reach as high as £1.5 billion.
The debt leveraged on Unitedââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s assets could be as much as £700 million within 6 months of closing of the offer.
Servicing that £700 million debt (interest & principal repayments) would average out at approx. £85 million p.a. for the first 7 years, increasing substantially thereafter
Glazer could reduce the debt burden by the sale & leaseback of Old Trafford, which might net him £200 million.
In that case, servicing the debt could still cost the club an estimated £55 million per year, plus the annual OT lease payment.
The offer document contains no detail on how the club might generate enough cash to pay down this debt and no commitments on transfer funds or other key issues for United fans and small shareholders.
Manchester United is in peril as never before. No other football club has ever had a debt burden of this size, and there is no real prospect of clearing this debt for many years to come.
Link (http://www.suforum.org/newforum/announcement.php?f=26&announcementid=14)
Oh ! and just for good measure, Nike (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4591031.stm) might withdraw their sponsership
i was talking about the take over with my dad the other day.. once we became a PLC then anyone could buy our shares and if they bought enough they could own the company.. he was saying the Government should step in but what can they do.. say we don't like this Glazer guy we're going to spend 1 Billion buying Man U instead then have a government own the club.. don't think that would get through parliament so can't really see any way this could have been prevented.. as soon as we became a PLC someone was guying to buy us..
a few years ago 2 of Fergie's mates bought loads of shares and everyone said they were going to take over and pump loads of moneyinto the club.. no one complained then until Fergie fell out with them and they decided to use the club for profit
Well done Forlan, he ended the season as La Liga's top scorer with 25 goals overtaking Eto'o last night.
And so shared the European Golden Shoe with Henry, who is the first player to win it twice running, so well done to him too.
Mind you, United bought Forlan for £5.5m than they sold him for; with business acumen like that it's no wonder they're in debt up to their eyeballs.
Chimaera
30-05-2005, 12:39
Well, I hope that Proud Preston, hammer the Hammers this weekend and join the other seven Lancashire sides in the Premiership. :cool:
:nono:
Let's hope not! Only because my friend in work (who I sit next to) is an avid Hammers fan - and her husband is a steward at Upton Park :cool: It would be nice to see her smiling for a change! ;):Sprint:
Business Acumen? You mean like buying a player for 10 mill then sending him out on loan to the club you brought him from, before finally getting rid of him for 2.5 mill?
to be honest i knew forlan was talented but he never suited the team or league when he was at man utd, i felt he would do better maybe in spain or france, so its good to see him have such a good season, i have seen some of his goals and im impressed!
TigaSefi
30-05-2005, 13:44
So there could be no Manchester United in a few years due to the crippling debts ? *dreams* ;)
:nono:
Let's hope not! Only because my friend in work (who I sit next to) is an avid Hammers fan - and her husband is a steward at Upton Park :cool: It would be nice to see her smiling for a change! ;):Sprint:
Up the 'ammers, back in the premiership.
"I'm forever blowin' bubbles"
Is that a West Ham or Michael Jackson song ? :erm:
I can never remember.
Chimaera
30-05-2005, 17:08
Well that's it....... 1 - 0 to West Ham! :hyper: :drunk: :D
Back up in the Premiership - and no doubt back down this time next year! ;)
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:nono:
Let's hope not! Only because my friend in work (who I sit next to) is an avid Hammers fan - and her husband is a steward at Upton Park :cool: It would be nice to see her smiling for a change! ;):Sprint:
Up the 'ammers, back in the premiership.
"I'm forever blowin' bubbles"
Is that a West Ham or Michael Jackson song ? :erm:
I can never remember.
West Ham! ;) :PP:
Business Acumen? You mean like buying a player for 10 mill then sending him out on loan to the club you brought him from, before finally getting rid of him for 2.5 mill?
Aww come on, you know better than to counter a daft point with sense to an Arse fan :D
MadGamer
30-05-2005, 18:39
YES!!!!!!! :D Finally West Ham are back into the Premiership after two years.
Marlon's back in the Prem! w00t
Mind you, United bought Forlan for £5.5m than they sold him for; with business acumen like that it's no wonder they're in debt up to their eyeballs.
United are not in debt until Glazer shifts his debt onto the books, unlike Arsenal who have been in debt for several years.
Being a United fan, I still found this quite amusing........................
Osama Bin Laden was found hiding in the Man Utd trophy cabinet. When he was asked why he decided to hide in there, he said it reminded him of a cave in Afghanastan, empty, cold, and taken over by Americans. :D
England vs Colombia in 10 mins BBC1... Peter Crouch up front and CBs of Glen Johnson and Zat Knight... gonna be a long one esp with Flapper James playing (robert green, PLEASE).
Oh and where's Dawson when you need him... oh yes that's it, he's injured as usual :LOL: :rolleyes:
well we won both games but they weren't great.. not sure if Crouch is the way to go.. apart from winning headers he's not very good.. his touch on the deck is very poor and not really international quality
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on another note.. not even did Phil Neville get another cap when he isn't even good enough for the premiership but he got to be England captain as well.. would have rather it went to Ashley Cole than Neville... he has no football brain.. always stands in the wrong place as he doesn't know what he is doingg.. is never tight enough on his man when marking and just pushes people in the back or slides in and gives the ball away.. his passing is terrible it's either a square pass to whoever is standing 5 yards to his left or right or a pass to the other team.. and that's from someone who supports the club he plays for
Cole to be the new Bosman?
Ashley Cole is expected to be hit with a £250,00 0 fine later today for talking to Chelsea while under contract at Arsenal. But reports suggest that Cole will 'do a Bosman' and argue restraint of trade in the European courts. And then the s*** hits the fan...
http://www.football365.com/teams/arsenal/story_153876.shtml
on another note.. not even did Phil Neville get another cap when he isn't even good enough for the premiership but he got to be England captain as well.. would have rather it went to Ashley Cole than Neville... he has no football brain.. always stands in the wrong place as he doesn't know what he is doingg.. is never tight enough on his man when marking and just pushes people in the back or slides in and gives the ball away.. his passing is terrible it's either a square pass to whoever is standing 5 yards to his left or right or a pass to the other team.. and that's from someone who supports the club he plays for
Agreed, that stood out last night.
I suppose there could be a couple of, or three reason's for Beckham giving him the captain's armband.
1. He was the next most senior player on the pitch.
2. He is Beckham's mate.
3. He was the nearest at the time Beckham walked off.
I think Phil Neville would have problem's plying his trade in the conference, let alone Man Utd reserves.
There are a few player's fast approaching thirty years of age at Man U, I am sure some changes will be made in the very near future.
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Cole to be the new Bosman?
It would be nice to see Kenyon get a massive fine, it would make me smile if that git got hurt in the area in which he is most in love with - his wallet.
so Cole, Chelsea and Mourinho have been charged but from reading the reports from the FA they blame the agents for setting up the meeting and they have got away Scott free in fact they prob got paid for setting the meeting up ages ago
TigaSefi
02-06-2005, 10:17
;)
Does anyone on here subscribe to Four Four Two?
Have you received your latest copy yet? Mine hasn't turned up yet.
Wonder if the postie fancied a crafty read :D
July's popped through teh post a while back.
I am quite looking forward to this............Good luck ladies.......
Sunday 5 June
Live Women's Euro 2005: England v Finland
Match of the Day, 1840 BST, BBC Two & Radio Five Live
Live coverage from the City of Manchester Stadium.
England take on surprise finalists Finland, the lowest-ranked side in the tournament and the Nordic nation's first senior team - male or female - to qualify for a major tournament.
Includes highlights of the tournament curtain-raiser between the 2001 runners-up Sweden and Scandinavian counterparts Denmark.
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/women/4493829.stm)
I am quite looking forward to this............Good luck ladies.......
Sunday 5 June
Live Women's Euro 2005: England v Finland
Match of the Day, 1840 BST, BBC Two & Radio Five Live
Live coverage from the City of Manchester Stadium.
England take on surprise finalists Finland, the lowest-ranked side in the tournament and the Nordic nation's first senior team - male or female - to qualify for a major tournament.
Includes highlights of the tournament curtain-raiser between the 2001 runners-up Sweden and Scandinavian counterparts Denmark.
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/women/4493829.stm)
err, no thanks. Yorkies....
Sweden? :)
Careful, you're one off a milestone ;)
err, no thanks. Yorkies....I don't like Yorkie bars myself, I do prefer Cadbury's Dairy Milk ;)
If that's not what you meant, can you please explain? :)
I don't like Yorkie bars myself, I do prefer Cadbury's Dairy Milk ;)
If that's not what you meant, can you please explain? :)
He means football, like Yorkie bars, is not for girls :knock:
He means football, like Yorkie bars, is not for girls :knock:Now, that's just sooo 1910's ;)
...and why are you hitting me for??? I wasn't the one who's made a sexist remark!!! :)
Now, that's just sooo 1910's ;)
...and why are you hitting me for??? I wasn't the one who's made a sexist remark!!! :)
you know that wasn't aimed at you mal, aimed at mr 1910
you know that wasn't aimed at you mal, aimed at mr 1910Okay then :)
you know that wasn't aimed at you mal, aimed at mr 1910
Who ME ?
Who ME ?No, NFFC for his yorkie comment :)
It's not for girls though. well, it's widely accepted... ;)
sir_drinks_alot
04-06-2005, 12:45
God i don't care if it is womans football ! just as long as i get to see a game :)
Any game am so bord with out football. :(
God i don't care if it is womans football ! just as long as i get to see a game :)
Any game am so bord with out football. :(
Ireland V Israel is on tonight
sir_drinks_alot
04-06-2005, 14:20
Ireland V Israel is on tonight
Fab :)
Chelsea have (allegedly) tapped up Frank Arnesen. Source: it's on BBC.
Arnesen's been suspended by Spuds pending an enquiry.
:grind:
If this is true then something desperately needs to be done about Chelsea. It's no good fining them - make tapping up an automatic 10 point deductable offence and they might start to listen.
well they already have a 3 point suspended sentance over them so that should come into force plus any other points they may get for this offence
to be honest Man U and Arsenal and every other club have done the same it's just Chelsea have been caught out
well they already have a 3 point suspended sentance over them so that should come into force plus any other points they may get for this offence
to be honest Man U and Arsenal and every other club have done the same it's just Chelsea have been caught out
Of course it should, but then the FA should show the same rules as a precedent for future offences involving ANY club ie first time, 3 point suspended, then deduct three points.
manchester untied have signed edwin van der sar from fulham the former juventus goalkeeper signs on a two year deal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4611715.stm
Like that'll do any good - he's 34!!!
Paul Robinson would have been MUCH better.
not only is he 34 but he's rubbish.. he was a good keeper but not any more.. makes too many mistakes and punches the ball all the time
I thought SAF would have learned the lesson of not buying players of that age when he wasted £3 million on Larent Blanc!
Chrysalis
05-06-2005, 17:18
I agree that tapping should be 10 point deduction, not only is it against the rules but it will affect that player when playing games for his current club.
sir_drinks_alot
05-06-2005, 19:54
Oh bbc 2 :) football that's nice on the eyes :)
Oh bbc 2 :) football that's nice on the eyes :)
Good game this !!!!!
sir_drinks_alot
05-06-2005, 20:39
Good game this !!!!!
Yup thay let finland back in to the game with some silly Tactical mistakes.
Brilliant !!
England 3 - 2 Finland 92 minute :disturbd:
jellybaby
05-06-2005, 20:48
What a fantastic game :)
For a second, I thought the scorer of the third goal was going to take her shirt off.:naughty:
For a second, I thought the scorer of the third goal was going to take her shirt off.:naughty:
You wish :p:
You wish :p:
Watch a replay if you get a chance, she gripped the bottom of her shirt and then thought better of it. :( :)
Well I would say Yorkie again... ;)
The Football Association of Ireland, meanwhile, had their appeal against the red card O'Brien received in the 83rd minute rejected by FIFA and he is now subsequently suspended against the Faroes.
Television replays showed Greek referee Kyros Vassaras being conned by Israel goalkeeper Dudu Awat, who feigned being hit in the face by O'Brien when no contact was made, however, FIFA do not recognise video evidence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4612849.stm
Ridiculous.
think they need to look into the rules here... not seen the match so don't know the inceident but if a replay shows no contact then it should be overturned and the other player should get a ban of at least 6 matches for cheating.. even the FA accept video evidence now
anyone see the Sky Sporting Legends show last night.. thought their list of players could have been alot better than the 10 they came up with
Just an update at the going's on at Old Trafford.
Glazer's son's move into the hotseats.......................Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=351407&in_page_id=1779&ito=1479)
Chrysalis
08-06-2005, 01:07
Althought I hate the club its a sad thing to happen to a club and I have the feeling he is only their to profit.
private_ace1977
08-06-2005, 08:10
On the subject of Man utd what was the point of signing van der sar?:Yikes:
Everyone knows that he has passed it.
Is the club buying players in a panic:confused:
On the subject of Man utd what was the point of signing van der sar?:Yikes:
Everyone knows that he has passed it.
Is the club buying players in a panic:confused:
Yes, that does seem a bit strange, unless another keeper is also on the way to OT as Utd have just let two go out of the door.
Carroll and Ricardo.
was reading that just to pay back the debt on the load he needs to make another 70-100m a year which i can't see happening.. the team on the pitch is in decline and needs rebuilding, but we don't have the funds to do this as we are in debt, and less people are buying club merchandise
Van Der Sar was a player years ago but look at him at Fulham hardly looked like a world classs keeper then,, punches the ball too much then it ends up in the back of his net.. maybe he could pass on some experience to Tim and help bring him on
Would have preferred Frey or Lustuvka really.. Still need to spend another 50 million on the midfield this summer which i can't see happening either
this (http://biz.yahoo.com/e/040512/zpcm.ob10-q.html) company has recently gone bust with mutli million $ debts. Guess who was the main person in charge..................Avi Glazer.:(
"RESULTS OF OPERATIONS
For the three months ended March 31, 2004, Zap.Com recorded a net loss of$38,000 as compared to a net loss of $25,000 for the three months ended March31, 2003. Since inception (which commenced on April 2, 1998), Zap.Com hasincurred a cumulative net loss of $9.0 million, including $743,000 in non-cashcharges associated with warrants issued to American Internetwork Sports and allof the costs associated with the public registration of Zap.Com's common stockand the development and wind-down of Internet operations."
Shadow Demon UK
08-06-2005, 10:11
On the subject of Man utd what was the point of signing van der sar?:Yikes:
Everyone knows that he has passed it.
Is the club buying players in a panic:confused:
The whole point of buying Van der sar isnt for long term reasons, Ferguson has bought him to help Howard's confidence and hto hel him progress as a keeper.
It's obvious Ferguson has high hopes for Howard as he has signed a new deal until 2009 and he has let the other keepers go. He has wanted Van der sar for a while now and why not as he has won the Champions League, a UEFA Cup and four Dutch titles and lots of experiance from many different clubs.
The whole point of buying Van der sar isnt for long term reasons, Ferguson has bought him to help Howard's confidence and hto hel him progress as a keeper.
It's obvious Ferguson has high hopes for Howard as he has signed a new deal until 2009 and he has let the other keepers go. He has wanted Van der sar for a while now and why not as he has won the Champions League, a UEFA Cup and four Dutch titles and lots of experiance from many different clubs.
Yep, the same reason why Fergie brought Blanc, to help Browns progression. Only Brown got injured and Blanc had to play a lot more games than was first intended.
The whole point of buying Van der sar isnt for long term reasons, Ferguson has bought him to help Howard's confidence and hto hel him progress as a keeper.
It's obvious Ferguson has high hopes for Howard as he has signed a new deal until 2009 and he has let the other keepers go. He has wanted Van der sar for a while now and why not as he has won the Champions League, a UEFA Cup and four Dutch titles and lots of experiance from many different clubs.
Van Der Sar won all of those ages ago and is no where near as good as that anymore.. he hardly looked like a world class keeper at Fulham the past couple of years.. agree about passing on his expierience to Tim and hope he can pass that on and stay in the background
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well proof the Glazer's know nothing about football
"Glazer has identified Premiership and Championship glory as key to United's financial success, meaning that Ferguson's men must deliver on the field"
not sure how we can win the Prem and Championship in the same season !!
well proof the Glazer's know nothing about football
"Glazer has identified Premiership and Championship glory as key to United's financial success, meaning that Ferguson's men must deliver on the field"
not sure how we can win the Prem and Championship in the same season !!
What a genius! What a business mind! Why did no one think of this before? To have a successful sports club you need to win. Amazing, I take it all back.
my point was he said we need to win the prem and championship rather than the prem and champion's league.. Div 1 is now the championship so can't win both of them unless we get relegated
The Government believes the Office of Fair Trading will wish to consider whether the takeover of Manchester United by the US billionaire Malcolm Glazer raises any competition concerns, it emerged today, amid new concerns about the future of the club.
Link (http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4661227)
Here's hoping they find something, but somehow I doubt it.
Lee Bowyer to appear in court over that (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050608/140/fko87.html) fight :knock:
Kewell is suing Lineker for defamation (it's on BBC, CBA to copy the link)
Defamation my arse...
Kewell is suing Lineker for defamation (it's on BBC, CBA to copy the link)
Defamation my arse...Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4072964.stm)
Kewell is suing Lineker for defamation (it's on BBC, CBA to copy the link)
Defamation my arse...Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4072964.stm)
Cheerz. :p
Latest Score: 35 mins
Denmark 0-0 England BBC 2
Denmark 0-1 England 52 mins :D
yorkie
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and to think we couldn't watch teh arrival of Murray on teh tennis scene coz of that dross :mad:
yorkie
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and to think we couldn't watch teh arrival of Murray on teh tennis scene coz of that dross :mad:
:knock: please change the subject, tis getting very boring seeing that comment every other post
yorkie
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and to think we couldn't watch teh arrival of Murray on teh tennis scene coz of that dross :mad:
:knock: please change the subject, tis getting very boring seeing that comment every other post
I did actually watch the first game. The level of skill was poor, the level of general play was poor, etc etc.
If that's the pinnacle I hate to think what the leagues are like.
I was being open-minded, but tbh, it's not a patch on the mens game.
As you were...
homealone
08-06-2005, 20:38
I did actually watch the first game. The level of skill was poor, the level of general play was poor, etc etc.
If that's the pinnacle I hate to think what the leagues are like.
I was being open-minded, but tbh, it's not a patch on the mens game.
As you were...
then again, I would rather watch a game played badly, by Women, with honesty & passion, than one by Men, where they let their cynicism overcome their skill - I'm bored with the cheating in football & don't watch much, now....
I did actually watch the first game. The level of skill was poor, the level of general play was poor, etc etc.
If that's the pinnacle I hate to think what the leagues are like.
I was being open-minded, but tbh, it's not a patch on the mens game.
As you were...
then again, I would rather watch a game played badly, by Women, with honesty & passion, than one by Men, where they let their cynicism overcome their skill - I'm bored with the cheating in football & don't watch much, now....
I'm not a fan of the cheating etc either (except of course when I'm in the area with the ball ;)) but even so- despite it being the pinnacle of the game the quality's still worse than Forest. In the professional men's game, even in the conference these teams would get mullered.
The whole shebang merely serves to endorse my (sexist?) view that football is like yorkie (ie not for girls). fair enough, if you don't think so, but that's what I think and I'm trying to be as constructive as poss :)
As for it taking airtime off Murray's win... well, thank **** for freeview and streaming net videos!
And so it starts, US tycoon Malcolm Glazer's plans for Manchester United reportedly include costlier tickets and spending limit of £25m a year net on player transfers. :( Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4079174.stm)
And so it starts, US tycoon Malcolm Glazer's plans for Manchester United reportedly include costlier tickets and spending limit of £25m a year net on player transfers. :( Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4079174.stm)Also this (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_objectid=15608849%26method=full%26siteid=94762% 26headline=exclusive%2d%2d58%2d%2dsir%2dbobby%2dge ts%2dthe%2dboot-name_page.html) about Sir Bobby Charlton being removed from the board. After all he does for Utd, off the field, in promoting them. :( :afire:
Breaking News.......
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GMT. 16.15. London England, FA Headquarters.
Champions League Announcement 2005/06 Season.
Only 4 Teams from England will qualify for the 2005/06 Champions League, those teams are:
Chelsea
Arsenal
Man Utd
Everton
However there will be a special dispensation for Liverpool, the current holders of the cup, see below for details.
Liverpool will be allowed into the competition next Season, they can by-pass the qualifying round, and go straight into the group section.
Only the top two from each group will be allowed to progress to the next stages. However, see below.
If Liverpool finish 3rd in their respective group they will be allowed to continue to the next stages, the knock-out rounds, because they are the holders of the cup.
All teams who enter the knock-out stages will be eliminated if they are beaten over the two legs, however, see below.
If Liverpool get beat over the 2 games in the knock-out stages, they will be allowed to continue in the competition because they are the current champions, and have won the cup an impressive five times.
This rule has been changed to make the Champions League a more fair and just competition, this rule will be valid throughout the knock-out stages, and will not, NOT be effective for the final, however, see belowââ‚ƚ¬Ã‚¦.
If Liverpool get into next seasons final they may or may not be allowed to win/lose, even if they get beat by the other team, but in the event of a tie, or if they score more goals than their opponents, they will be allowed to lift the famous trophy, no extra time or penalties will be allowed, in the unfortunate event of the other team winning, we will again sit and adjudicate on whether or not this will be allowed, as they are the holders, our committee should grant them the cup, as we have granted them a place in the 2005/06 competition.
So congratulations go out Liverpool, champions of Europe, 1977, 78, 82, 84, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 etcââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¦..
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David Davies.
FA Chairman
Quite right too, seems only fair to me.:D
TigaSefi
10-06-2005, 11:08
Liverpool in 1st Round Qualifying for sure. Whoo... In at least :P
NFFC - Lay off Women's football, it fun, and women don't roll around on the ground forever. They just take the pain and get on with it. Kudos for that. I like to see that in the men's and also they don't bitterly complain to the referee!!! Kudos to that too. Keane should take note of that.
Shadow Demon UK
10-06-2005, 11:15
Quite right too, seems only fair to me.:D
How is this fair? The whole point of the Champions League is that the Champions of each league in Europe face each other in a competition not the 5th place side in the league who finished 37!! points behind the champions. I thought it was bad enough when they let Everton in for finishing fourth.
The comptetion should be renamed to the 'Champions and runners up League' in the future.
Bad decision Uefa :td:
to be honest i think the Fa have engineered getting 5 teams in and this sets a bad precedent.. what happens at the endof next season if a team in spain get to the final and they are fouth in their league.. they can win the final and then make themselves finish 5th in their league which doesn't finish till after the final and make sure they have 5 teams in the comp next season
Shadow Demon UK
10-06-2005, 11:20
to be honest i think the Fa have engineered getting 5 teams in and this sets a bad precedent.. what happens at the endof next season if a team in spain get to the final and they are fouth in their league.. they can win the final and then make themselves finish 5th in their league which doesn't finish till after the final and make sure they have 5 teams in the comp next season
Exactly how i feel mate. Now the TV revenue from the champions league has to be split five ways aswell so the original teams in the competition are set to loose £5 million each!!
Not good news
12th July is the first round! Fixture congestion hell.
How is this fair? The whole point of the Champions League is that the Champions of each league in Europe face each other in a competition not the 5th place side in the league who finished 37!! points behind the champions. I thought it was bad enough when they let Everton in for finishing fourth.
The comptetion should be renamed to the 'Champions and runners up League' in the future.
Bad decision Uefa :td:
You don't do irony then? perhaps I should have used :rolleyes: instead.
to be honest i think the Fa have engineered getting 5 teams in and this sets a bad precedent.. what happens at the endof next season if a team in spain get to the final and they are fouth in their league.. they can win the final and then make themselves finish 5th in their league which doesn't finish till after the final and make sure they have 5 teams in the comp next season
My feelings exactly. As much as I like Liverpool being able to defend the title, the rules were clear at the outset of the season, and the FA should have decided beforehand on the rules in this scenario (e.g. number four does not play CL). They didn't and possible saw it as an opportunity to get a fifth team in. Short term, opportunist thinking imo.
TigaSefi
10-06-2005, 11:54
If UEFA, and I mean IF, have any forward thinking in their single brain cell organism, they will put in a new rule that the defending champions is automatically entered as the 3rd/4th team of their league if they finish outside the top 2 or 3 or 4 of their respective league.
not only has this ruined the TV money for the other clubs, although that is still being worked on.. Artemia of Slovakia have now been pushed out of the comp..
i agree they should be in the comp but at the expense of Everton rather than as a fifth placed team.. the FA should have decided this like the Spanish FA did a few years ago
also UEFA need to make sure that the finals are now always held after each UEFA league has finished to prevent collusion between clubs and league to get extra teams in..
mind you if Gerrard didn't dive to win a pen then they wouldn't have won anyway something no one in the press mentioned in any of the praise that was heaped on Liverpool after the win
more english clubs playing at the top can only be a good thing
so im happy.
Artemia of Slovakia have now been pushed out of the comp..
That's just plain wrong.
They should play off with Artemia for the place in the qualifying rounds.
Liverpool also don't have country status. So they could meet another English team in qualifying or be in a group with another english team.
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The team from Slovakia hasn't been pushed out as such. They only qualify for the competition if the winners are automatically qualified through their league. If the winners are outside the qualification places then the winners get the slovakian place.
also UEFA need to make sure that the finals are now always held after each UEFA league has finished to prevent collusion between clubs and league to get extra teams in..
I think a problem with that is that some leagues run over much of the summer
As an example, only 7 out of 26 rounds have been played in the Finnish league.
http://www.uefa.com/FootballCentral/FixturesResults/Country=FIN/League=1037/Standings.html
I guess they only just cleared the snow :)
I hate Scouse FC as much as any self-respecting Man United fan, but I have to say I'm pleased that common sense has prevailed and they will rightfully be in Europe next year :)
Shadow Demon UK
10-06-2005, 18:20
Les Lawson, spokesman for the Liverpool international supporters club, said: "UEFA have had to sort it out and they have done the minimum possible. They have treated their own champions with contempt."
:shocked: I cannot belive i am reading this! UEFA have already bent the rules for Liverpool to enter the competition and they are still complaining! I think that they were lucky to get in the competition at all and should be grateful, not annoyed about having to qualify.
:shocked: I cannot belive i am reading this! UEFA have already bent the rules for Liverpool to enter the competition and they are still complaining! I think that they were lucky to get in the competition at all and should be grateful, not annoyed about having to qualify.
bent the rules :Yikes: they have had them rewritten becuase the teams who will win the cup after liverpool will also be automatically entered in to the champions league.
Chrysalis
10-06-2005, 18:43
I am happy they are in the competition but did I read it correctly that if Liverpool get beaten in a round they still progress? or was it sarcasm.
I am happy they are in the competition but did I read it correctly that if Liverpool get beaten in a round they still progress? or was it sarcasm.
No, the post from gazzae was official, every word is true.:angel:
bent the rules :Yikes: they have had them rewritten becuase the teams who will win the cup after liverpool will also be automatically entered in to the champions league.
The champions usually got entered into the competition even if they are outside their league qualification places. The problem here was the number of teams - UEFA rules state that no country can have more than 4 teams. If England only had 3 teams which entered the champions league then there wouldn't have been a problem.
The champions usually got entered into the competition even if they are outside their league qualification places. The problem here was the number of teams - UEFA rules state that no country can have more than 4 teams. If England only had 3 teams which entered the champions league then there wouldn't have been a problem.
oh right, the article on the BBC site did not make the bit about automatic qualification irrespective of league position clear.
Well, I had my application come through today to renew my membership at Old Trafford, and I binned it :upyours: Glazer
Well, I had my application come through today to renew my membership at Old Trafford, and I binned it :upyours: Glazer
its going to be a killer if all the financial data that has been publsihed goes through, i know he has to make money from somewhere, thats the diffarence though, he is a business man hes not in it for the health of the football end of the club.
:mad:
Liverpool: It's only common sense. Back in the day, when it were winners only, then the champions got in even if they didn't win the league.
When we won it in 1979 we wouldn't have been able to (successfully) defend it the year after having finished second, had this silly rule been in place.
I can see why it's applicable to international comps because there it's easier to qualify and keeps the teams off meaningless friendlies- but the games are more in the league, and let's be honest, fixture congestion makes it more a squad game these days anyway.
Glad to see UEFA have made some common sense decisions now. They aren't getting it easy but they're in it. And that should be a bonus for them.
Chelsea poised to outbid United again (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/06/13/sfnche13.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/06/13/ixfooty.html).
It seem's united will have to take a back seat in the transfer market for a few year's to come.
Unless fortune's change, united could end up being a mid table side.
Shadow Demon UK
13-06-2005, 08:47
Chelsea poised to outbid United again (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/06/13/sfnche13.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/06/13/ixfooty.html).
It seem's united will have to take a back seat in the transfer market for a few year's to come.
Unless fortune's change, united could end up being a mid table side.
I think this shows Chelsea dont have a clue what they are doing or who to buy, they did it with Robben and it looks like they are going to do it again. I wathched Park Ji-Sung play against Milan in the champions league and i wouldnt value him at £7 million which is what PSV want, now Chelsea are involved.
I dont think its if United's fortune's change they will be a mid table side, i think everybodys fortunes will have to change to be able to compete with Chelsea outbidding on any decent player a team wants to sign. :(
When we won it in 1979 we wouldn't have been able to (successfully) defend it the year after having finished second, had this silly rule been in place.
But the Champions are allowed to defend it. The problem here was the number of teams. UEFA rules stated that no country can have more then 4 teams.
When this happened before in Spain - Real Madrid finished 5th but won the European Cup - the spanish FA excluded the fouth placed team, I think it was Real Zaragotha, and included Madrid in their four representatives. UEFA leave it to the countries FA to decided what teams are nominated - the Spanish FA made a decision, the English FA didn't have the balls to make one.
But the Champions are allowed to defend it. The problem here was the number of teams. UEFA rules stated that no country can have more then 4 teams.
When this happened before in Spain - Real Madrid finished 5th but won the European Cup - the spanish FA excluded the fouth placed team, I think it was Real Zaragotha, and included Madrid in their four representatives. UEFA leave it to the countries FA to decided what teams are nominated - the Spanish FA made a decision, the English FA didn't have the balls to make one.
exactly the Fa have engineered us getting 5 teams in because they can't make their minds up about what to do so did nothing in the end.. The FA should have just put the holders in instead and have done with it..
of course if UEFA hadn't ruined the comp in the first place this wouldn't have happened anyway
When we won it in 1979 we wouldn't have been able to (successfully) defend it the year after having finished second, had this silly rule been in place.
But the Champions are allowed to defend it. The problem here was the number of teams. UEFA rules stated that no country can have more then 4 teams.
When this happened before in Spain - Real Madrid finished 5th but won the European Cup - the spanish FA excluded the fouth placed team, I think it was Real Zaragotha, and included Madrid in their four representatives. UEFA leave it to the countries FA to decided what teams are nominated - the Spanish FA made a decision, the English FA didn't have the balls to make one.
Yes but what's happened here, is the winners have fallen outside the normal qualifying places and because they've taken away the automatic place then they can't defend it. ie, they're assuming the holders qualify by virtue of their league position.
When they only let league champions in then the holders got in anyway, all I'm saying is if this stupid rule about holders not being allowed in had been around then, countless champions who didn't win their league the season they won the EC wouldn't be allowed to defend it.
The problem is the silly rule about the coefficients. Normally it works well but when you have a situation like this, you can't NOT send a side who have qualified by virtue of a position in the league, and you can't NOT enter the holders. If the rule had been "one team per FA" back then, do you send the holders or the Champions?
The matter is there should be a special entry place for the holders and that should be independent of their league position- ie, the only logical way is for five English sides to enter, the normal 4 (Chelsea, Arsenal, **** and Everton) who finished there by rights of their league position, and the holders, who won the competition but finished outside the top 4. They all deserve to be there, as they've satisfied the requirements to be there.
I also think Man City should take the extra European place too.
when I have some more time i'll go through the stats and find out where the previous winners finished in their league from 55 to today..
still think if UEFA didn't ruin the comp with that stupid leage thing then a side who could only manage afifth placed finish would have been able to win the comp anyway.. and if Gerrard never dived for a pen then they wouldn't have won it either
the whole league thing is just designed to give the clubs extra games which equals extra tv money and gate receipts and is geared to mean the top clubs from Italy, Spain, UK, Germany get through.. in the event that this doesn't happen they will get third and then go into the UEFA Cup..
it should just be winners of the league and the holders and have done with it
when I have some more time i'll go through the stats and find out where the previous winners finished in their league from 55 to today..
still think if UEFA didn't ruin the comp with that stupid leage thing then a side who could only manage afifth placed finish would have been able to win the comp anyway.. and if Gerrard never dived for a pen then they wouldn't have won it either
the whole league thing is just designed to give the clubs extra games which equals extra tv money and gate receipts and is geared to mean the top clubs from Italy, Spain, UK, Germany get through.. in the event that this doesn't happen they will get third and then go into the UEFA Cup..
it should just be winners of the league and the holders and have done with it
And I completely agree with that last line.
Bring back the CWC, winners of the cups can go in that (LDV Vans as well, pretty please ;)), 2nd-5th can go in UEFA cup... get rid of the league ******** and return it to knockout, totally unseeded, etc etc.
When we won our first we were drawn against (holders) Liverpool in the first round - a tie pitting the top 2 in England together - and no-one even gave us a chance.
Yes but what's happened here, is the winners have fallen outside the normal qualifying places and because they've taken away the automatic place then they can't defend it. ie, they're assuming the holders qualify by virtue of their league position.
I also think Man City should take the extra European place too.
Nope. The problem is the number of teams. If England only had 3 teams which entered, then there wouldn't have been this fuss. UEFA didn't say Liverpool couldn't defend it but it was up to the English FA to decide what 4 teams entered the competition.
I also think Man City should take the extra European place too.
What extra European place? There is none as Artemia went into the UEFA cup. Remember Artemia only enter the Champions league IF the holders have qualified via league position. If the holders have not qualified by league position then they take Artemia's place.
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Here is the UEFA rule...
Rule 1.3 states: At the request of the national association concerned, the Uefa Champions League title-holders may be entered for this competition ... if they have not qualified via the top domestic league championship.
"If, in such a case, the title-holders come from an association entitled to enter four teams for the Uefa Champions League, the fourth-placed club in the top domestic league championship has to be entered for the Uefa Cup."
This is what the fuss is about - The FA didn't have the balls to do this.
Charlie_Bubble
13-06-2005, 11:33
Well, I had my application come through today to renew my membership at Old Trafford, and I binned it :upyours: Glazer
Somehow, I think you're the only one that will be affected by you ripping up you application: Man Utd set for ticket record (news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4087282.stm)
Somehow, I think you're the only one that will be affected by you ripping up you application: Man Utd set for ticket record (news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4087282.stm)
And the bloke next door :)
Chrysalis
13-06-2005, 19:20
Champions League should just be the champions of each league and the current holders hence the name. The changes they made only served to make the top clubs richer and to downgrade the uefa cup, it is also a mockery that when a team gets booted out of the champions league they then enter the uefa cup at a late stage, how would people feel if here when someone is knocked out of the fa cup semi final they then go into the league cup semi final, I dont think they would be too happy.
the problem with the ECC is that UEFA bowed down to the G14 clubs and went for the league format so they could get more games.. then they gave into the G14 again and then openned this up to even more clubs in 98 and beyond.. the clubs didn't care won bit about history or the prestiege of the comp now that they were ruinning it for the fans they just wanted more money.. UEFA are meant to be there to protect the game from this and they failed when they created the Champion's League
The other problem is that now the ECC and the UEFA Cup are pretty much going to be one by a club from the big four \ G14 of Italy, Spain, Germany and UK.. there is no chance of a Eastern European club getting to a final and winning anything and that's the way the G14 want it.. although there have been one or two exceptions, CSKA Moskva this year in the UEFA Cup.
Just look at this year when David Gill of Man U said after we got knocked out that we shouldn't have played AC Milan because they were a better side than us.. we could have played someone not as good so we could get to the next round
Well, I had my application come through today to renew my membership at Old Trafford, and I binned it :upyours: Glazer
I've emailed the BBC requesting Manchester United be removed from the sports pages, and inserted into the Business & money section.
I wonder if he (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/4087430.stm) will come back to haunt us ?
I wonder if he (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/4087430.stm) will come back to haunt us ?
The greatest game he'll have of his life will be next season when West ham come to Old Trafford and they beat us 1-nil :grind:
No matter what our forwards throw at him, he'll stop every shot. You just watch.
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