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Based on recent events, What is the purpose of Journalism:
Is it:-
To report accurately the facts and events of a newsworthy story
or
To report with embellishment the near facts of a newsworthy story
or
To misreport the non-facts of a non newsworthy story to make it newsworthy
I think you get the point I'm trying to make. What happened to REAL journalism, that informed accurately with no 'sexing' up ?
downquark1
18-09-2003, 11:08
In the example of the daily mail:
Become hate filled, sadistic trolls who feel they can only justify their existance by making everyone in the world hate everyone else. You fear change, yet hate the present and look at women in skimpy clothes while criticising them strongly.
I learned that from reading one issue :D
The Diplomat
18-09-2003, 11:18
And in the case of the sun or the mirror.... produce, in a comic like fashion, text and pictures which assumes your readership are semi-illiterates. ;)
And the guanriad.... stories and articles printed with the added attraction of having to figure out anagrams. :D
downquark1
18-09-2003, 17:36
I think the reason this thread isn't get much replies is because between myself and 'the diplomat' we have affended have the forum members :D.
Originally posted by downquark1
I think the reason this thread isn't get much replies is because between myself and 'the diplomat' we have affended have the forum members :D.
OI! I LIKE anagrams:D
downquark1
18-09-2003, 22:13
affended have the forum members I've just realised that have is suppose to be half.
Originally posted by downquark1
I've just realised that have is suppose to be half.
I take it you meant 'affended' then?;)
Lord Nikon
18-09-2003, 22:22
Originally posted by danielf
I take it you meant 'affended' then?;)
or even Offended :D
downquark1
18-09-2003, 22:27
Yes, I know I have bad spelling and grammer and punuciation. but I make up for it with my .................................. ahh nuts!
If you must know I'm mildly dyspraxic (I manage to spell that right ;) )
Originally posted by downquark1
If you must know I'm mildly dyspraxic (I manage to spell that right ;) )
Actually, it is spelled apraxic. Praxia is Latin, not Greek :D
downquark1
18-09-2003, 22:39
Originally posted by danielf
Actually, it is spelled apraxic. Praxia is Latin, not Greek :D no it's dyspraxic (clumsy child syndrom) but to an extent it affects language.
Originally posted by downquark1
no it's dyspraxic (clumsy child syndrom) but to an extent it affects language.
Then how come dispraxia is not in the dictionary when apraxia (loss or impairment of the ability to execute complex coordinated movements without impairment of the muscles or senses
is)?
www.m-w.com
Edit: the prefixes dys and a both mean the inability to so something, except one of the is Latin and one Greek, so you need to pick the right one that matches the language of the noun.
So it's dyslexic, agnostic, amnesic, and apraxic.
downquark1
18-09-2003, 22:53
Originally posted by danielf
Then how come dispraxia is not in the dictionary when apraxia (loss or impairment of the ability to execute complex coordinated movements without impairment of the muscles or senses
is)?
www.m-w.com It is quite simular, but it is my understanding dyspraxia has only been recognised quite recently - if you look at google it seems to be documented well. http://www.google.com/search?q=dyspraxic&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Yes, it seems the two are used interchangeably (Verbal Dyspraxia or Apraxia of Speech) Apraxia still sounds better to me though ;)
downquark1
19-09-2003, 07:44
Originally posted by danielf
Yes, it seems the two are used interchangeably (Verbal Dyspraxia or Apraxia of Speech) Apraxia still sounds better to me though ;) I know what I am for goodness sake - I also bounce of doorways, that's dyspraxia. How much must you humiliate me like this:cry:
Originally posted by downquark1
I know what I am for goodness sake - I also bounce of doorways, that's dyspraxia. How much must you humiliate me like this:cry:
I am sorry. It won't happen again. Unless I get dysmnesic.;)
OK, now that we've got that sorted, can we get back on topic !!!:D
Dave Stones
19-09-2003, 12:39
Originally posted by Nemesis
I think you get the point I'm trying to make. What happened to REAL journalism, that informed accurately with no 'sexing' up ?
would that be newspapers pre page 3, the daily star and the daily sport? ;)
seriously though i think it depends on the newspaper. people like me who read the sun cos i want *some* news (yes some of what they print is true u know...*settles in for flaming from broadsheet readers ;)) and also some entertainment. my english teacher at secondary school tried to force us into reading the guardian (bloody teachers and all taht). she got us to bring news clippings in to write essays on them and so forth. oh i got such a grilling when i brought a clip from the sun in :D:D
and then theres people who are boring and accountanty etc who read the FT...
trolls who love the government and all of its policies no matter how stupid they are (guardian) *hides*
and the list continues all the way down to the men in trenchcoats and trilbies who get on the bus with a copy of the sport under their arm...
:shrug:
But even from the recent Hoon case and Gilligan 'sexing up' the story. The BBC don't print as such, but do report.
Surely we've not sunk that low as a scoiety!!!
Does it mean that we can't trust what is being reported on anything any more ?
downquark1
19-09-2003, 12:58
Originally posted by Nemesis
But even from the recent Hoon case and Gilligan 'sexing up' the story. The BBC don't print as such, but do report.
Surely we've not sunk that low as a scoiety!!!
Does it mean that we can't trust what is being reported on anything any more ? Well, if the government lies and the papers lie about the government, maybe we will get the truth.;)
seriously though i think it depends on the newspaper. people like me who read the sun cos i want *some* news (yes some of what they print is true u know...*settles in for flaming from broadsheet readers ) Each paper has a political agenda, does the paper you read depend on your agenda, or does your agenda depend on the paper you read;)
Since your a sun reader I'll transulate (kidding:angel: ):
Do you read the sun because you too hate the government. Or did you start to hate the government because you read the sun, and they have influenced you?
As a society we have become hooked on sensation. Our food has to be more colourful, our fairground rides have to be more breathtaking and our news has to be more sensational, otherwise we get bored.
At the end of the day, newspapers have to be interesting enough to sell, so the journalists have to find the 'angle' on the story that sells. Frankly, 'angle' is just another word for spin IMO.
You may have heard the phrase 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story'... well, as someone who worked on a regional newspaper for three years, I can promise you it is absolutely correct. When the newsdesk gets a sniff of a promising tale, they're writing it in their heads before anyone has even been interviewed. The facts that emerge are chosen and moulded to fit a chosen editorial point of view.
The only way to arrive at anything like the truth, I think, is to read the Guardian and the Telegraph, then try to distill the truth from the two.
As for the Sun ... I have tremendous respect for the people that write it - they are generally well educated, and there is a real skill in dumbing down your own communication so that you are talking with the vocabulary of a seven year old. Yet they do it day in, day out, and they obviously do it well, as they sell a lot of papers. However, I wouldn't believe a single word of it. Same goes for the Star. The Mirror has been trying hard lately, but sitting as it does on the left, it doesn't do the smug liberal thing nearly as well as the Guardian.
As for the Sport ... well, that's not a newspaper, that's just a daily porno comic.
Dave Stones
19-09-2003, 13:36
Originally posted by downquark1
Since your a sun reader I'll transulate (kidding:angel: ):
Do you read the sun because you too hate the government. Or did you start to hate the government because you read the sun, and they have influenced you?
il have u know i got a B at gcse english, have 4 a levels and am off to uni next week :p. the problem posed is do i dare take a copy of the paper into the student union? heheh.
in response to that rambling question... i dunno which came first, i have always read the sun but have also always had complete apathy when it comes to government etc. it just doesnt appeal to me at all..
As for the Sport ... well, that's not a newspaper, that's just a daily porno comic.
:rofl: speaking from experience reading it? ;)
and as for the star.. well. someone from the college i used to go to appears in there regularly now. lets just say she looks nicer in the airbrushed paper than she does in the flesh... :erm:
downquark1
19-09-2003, 17:05
in response to that rambling question I'm sorry - I tend to be concise (I'm often told I'm too concise), but then some people on the forum misinterpret me or miss the point (Russ) so I thought better safe than sorry this time.
Dave Stones
19-09-2003, 17:11
Originally posted by downquark1
I'm sorry - I tend to be concise (I'm often told I'm too concise), but then some people on the forum misinterpret me or miss the point (Russ) so I thought better safe than sorry this time.
short and to the point is always best :cool:
once i get rambling i never stop...
**mumbles**
Originally posted by Dave Stones
:rofl: speaking from experience reading it? ;)
When I started working in regional papers, I took a job vacated by someone who thought she was going up in the world getting a job on a 'national' - actually the Sport.
She left after 6 months, because she got sick of the jobs she had to do. Road-testing condoms for a 'news feature', for example, made her feel just a little dirty...
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