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downquark1
23-07-2003, 12:22
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Chris
23-07-2003, 12:32
Must admit I've not tried Camino yet. Have you got a link? I'll install it tonight then post back.
downquark1
23-07-2003, 12:37
camino is a mozilla project:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino/
Lew
23-07-2003, 13:55
Camino is quite a nice browser as long as you don't mind the Mozilla engine. It has a few quirks such as using a lot of Mozilla's own text fields instead of the OS' built-in ones, which can cause text to 'lag' behind your typing.

Safari is a much leaner rendering engine, being based on KDE's KHTML (as found in Konqueror). It still has a few deficiencies such as problems with certain CSS sites. With MS' withdrawal from the Mac browser market they're supposed to be helping Apple increase compatibilty with IE-only sites (plus, hopefully the browser plugin component of the forthcoming WMP9 for Mac will actually be a standard plug-in as opposed to the IE-only plugin of the current version).

Personally I'm using OmniWeb 4.5 Beta 3 (http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp1/pub/software/MacOSX/10.2/OmniWeb-4.5-beta-3-English.dmg), which uses Safri's WebCore framework but has a much better UI and some very intelligent ad-blocking.

http://homepage.mac.com/lwernham/.Pictures/OmniWebGrab.png
Chris
23-07-2003, 19:27
Originally posted by downquark1
camino is a mozilla project:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino/

OK, it's up and running.

First impressions are not so favourable as either Safari or OmniWeb. Safari has an extra level of cookie security (refuse cookies originating from sites other than the one you're visiting). Camino also seems to have the same rendering problem with my chosen homepage (BBC news) that Safari did until its later beta versions - it can't properly handle the news ticker at the top of the screen. Whether this is the only problem or the first of a list I'll find as I surf about I don't yet know obviously!

I do like the way the browser sets its preferences window up to mimic the System Preferences window and I like the tray that pops out on the right containing history etc - something Apple have strangely chosen not to use in Safari.

OmniWeb, seeing as we mentioned it, I found great for features but hopelessly irritating for nag boxes. I installed it, forgot about it for weeks and when I came back for another look the nag screens wouldn't allow the browser to load at all. And even choosing to register went nowhere. I deleted it.

I'll keep a copy of Camino in my Applications folder and watch it develop but I'm sticking with Safari for the time being.
Tristan
23-07-2003, 21:29
Is there no version of Firebird for the Mac? Or is that what Camino is?

For my money, Mozilla Firebird is the best browser available -- and I use it in preference to Konquerer in Linux.
downquark1
23-07-2003, 21:57
Originally posted by Tristan
Is there no version of Firebird for the Mac? Or is that what Camino is?

For my money, Mozilla Firebird is the best browser available -- and I use it in preference to Konquerer in Linux.

Firebird has just became aviable for MACOSX, but it is still very rough. Camino is practically the same but designed specifically for OSX.
Lew
24-07-2003, 10:44
IIRC, Camino was the inspiration for Firebird in the first place.
Chris
24-07-2003, 11:01
Lew, did you have any probs with OmniWeb nag screens? I'd love to have another go at it but I'm suspicious that if I d/l it again, it's just going to start nagging ... and once it started nagging last time, it wouldn't even let me buy/register/whatever the thing ...
Lew
24-07-2003, 14:32
The reason the nag screen changed before is that the 4.5 betas have expiration dates for unregistered users. Once it goes final you should be able to run it in unlicensed mode with the nag screen only appearing once per login session. Until then you may have to go a couple of days without OmniWeb as each beta expires (Beta 2 came out about a week after Beta 1 expired; Beta 3 was a bugfix for Beta 2).

There doesn't seem to be an expiration date listed for Beta 3 in the release notes (http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/releasenotes/), but as it's a bugfix for Beta 2 I'd imagine the expiration date for that version applies.
This version of OmniWeb will run in unlicensed mode until August 1, 2003.