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Ramrod
16-07-2003, 22:37
Maybe someone here can answer this question: I have an asus a7v 266-e mobo. According to the asus website the fastest processor that I can run on it is an athlon xp 2600+ 266MHz fsb model 8.
The problem is that I can only find 333MHz fsb processors for sale online. Can I use the 333MHz on my mobo or not?:confused:
timewarrior2001
16-07-2003, 22:43
I dont think the processor would run at full speed, possibly not at all.
I'd stick with the Xp 2400 its the fastest 266 FSB chip out there now and pretty cheap too.
Ramrod
16-07-2003, 22:48
Originally posted by timewarrior2001
I dont think the processor would run at full speed, possibly not at all.
Why do you say that?
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 22:51
there was 266mhz FSB version of the 2600+ released but it was in small quantities. You could use a 333mhz version but it would clock at a lower speed unless you unlocked the multiplier. Its probably best to buy a 2400+ 266mhz FSB ;)
timewarrior2001
16-07-2003, 22:51
well from experience I tried to run an XP2000 on 100Mhz FSB it reported a 1200Mhz processor. I just forgot to set the Bios to 133.
I really dont know if processors are backwards compatible with FSB speeds, so seeing as the 2400 works on 266 then I simply suggest purchasing that CPU rather than the 2600.
Ramrod
16-07-2003, 22:52
well from experience I tried to run an XP2000 on 100Mhz FSB it reported a 1200Mhz processor. I just forgot to set the Bios to 133.
I really dont know if processors are backwards compatible with FSB speeds, so seeing as the 2400 works on 266 then I simply suggest purchasing that CPU rather than the 2600.


Ok....is this: AMD ATHLON XP2400+ 266MHz FSB - Thoroughbred - OEM, the model 8 or the model 10, because the 8 will run on my mobo without a bios upgrade (which I would rather not do)
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 22:54
model 10 was the T'Bread with 9 layers wasn't it?
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 22:56
BTW doing an update on an Asus board is very easy - just use Asus Update software to do it. It flashes the EEPROM with no problems and is as easy as using IE. No fiddly floppy disks etc...
Ramrod
16-07-2003, 22:56
Originally posted by matty4donna
model 10 was the T'Bread with 9 layers wasn't it? I haven't got a clue, which is why I am here:D
So it looks like the above quoted thoroughbred is a model 10?
timewarrior2001
16-07-2003, 22:57
Originally posted by Ramrod
Ok....is this: AMD ATHLON XP2400+ 266MHz FSB - Thoroughbred - OEM, the model 8 or the model 10, because the 8 will run on my mobo without a bios upgrade (which I would rather not do)

If the model 8 runs on your board without upgrades then to make life simple thats what I would go for.
I do understand your confusion as my K7s5a Board allegedly supports the 2400 with bios version 3, I beleive my bios is version 1 and only supports the 2000. However I cannot confirm that the 2400 will not work.
Its a funny ol game isnt it?
Ramrod
16-07-2003, 22:58
Originally posted by matty4donna
BTW doing an update on an Asus board is very easy - just use Asus Update software to do it. It flashes the EEPROM with no problems and is as easy as using IE. No fiddly floppy disks etc... 'Easy' as you can do it as easily as a windows xp update?
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 22:58
the K7S5A is a QDI isnt it? Can't compare with an Asus im afraid.

Id just do a BIOS update anyway ;)
Ramrod
16-07-2003, 22:59
Originally posted by timewarrior2001

Its a funny ol game isnt it? Yes, I'm laughing.....not:D
....and why can't they all call the same processors by the exact same names:confused:
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 22:59
Originally posted by Ramrod
'Easy' as you can do it as easily as a windows xp update? well the Asus Update program finds the best update for your motherboard and flashes the EEPROM without you having to do anything other then click Flash ;)
timewarrior2001
16-07-2003, 22:59
Originally posted by matty4donna
the K7S5A is a QDI isnt it? Can't compare with an Asus im afraid.

Id just do a BIOS update anyway ;)
And a QDI is??????? lol
I really am not up to speed on the very latest thoroughbred processors and old mobo situation lol.
Ramrod
16-07-2003, 23:00
Originally posted by matty4donna
well the Asus Update program finds the best update for your motherboard and flashes the EEPROM without you having to do anything other then click Flash ;) wow! I'll look into it:) do you have a web address for that?
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 23:00
QDI, is the manufacturer :) Asus is a different manufacturer.
timewarrior2001
16-07-2003, 23:01
Originally posted by matty4donna
QDI, is the manufacturer :) Asus is a different manufacturer.
Oh right, sorry Manufacturer is ECS.
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 23:01
Originally posted by Ramrod
wow! I'll look into it:) do you have a web address for that? you should have the softwar eon the CD-Rom you got with your computer. If not, ill find it, its on the Asus website somewhere!
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 23:02
Originally posted by timewarrior2001
Oh right, sorry Manufacturer is ECS. ahhh my mistake, very similar board names hehe :dunce:
Ramrod
16-07-2003, 23:05
Tnx guys, I'm off to bed will catch up with this thread in the morning.
btw.....matty....are you talking about the aflash.exe application on the asus site?
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 23:08
i dont know ill find the link sooner or later, i remember i had a problem last time finding it, it seems to be hidden away in the knowledge base from what i rmember.
matty4donna
16-07-2003, 23:16
http://www.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/asusupdt5.12.01.zip - theres the link to .... i knew id track it down eventually :D
homealone
16-07-2003, 23:38
Originally posted by timewarrior2001
If the model 8 runs on your board without upgrades then to make life simple thats what I would go for.
I do understand your confusion as my K7s5a Board allegedly supports the 2400 with bios version 3, I beleive my bios is version 1 and only supports the 2000. However I cannot confirm that the 2400 will not work.
Its a funny ol game isnt it?

hi timewarrior2001

I run a k7s5a 3.1 on a honey bios, which afaik will support a 2400, 138/166

- although mine is only a 2000 - & I run at standard 133, I have tried the "overclock" settings for memory & they do work with crucial 2700
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 10:24
Originally posted by matty4donna
http://www.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/asusupdt5.12.01.zip - theres the link to .... i knew id track it down eventually :D Ta m8:)
Bifta
17-07-2003, 10:30
Just to add my opinion, as someone said, go for the 2400+, you'd only be missing out theoretically on a .08 ghz speed difference with a 266mhz FSB from a 2600+.
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 10:34
Originally posted by Bifta
Just to add my opinion, as someone said, go for the 2400+, you'd only be missing out theoretically on a .08 ghz speed difference with a 266mhz FSB from a 2600+.
and it's probably a bit cheaper:)
but that still leaves me with a problem: the 2400xp comes as a model 6 or a model 10. When I go looking, say on e-buyer, it dosn't say which model is the one for sale:confused:
I need a bios update for the model 10 but not for the 8:shrug:, so obviously the model 8 is the less risky option.
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 10:51
Sorry for butting in but I brought a Abit NF7 the other week with v2.0 and for the life of me I can't get it to update the BIOS. from the www.abit.tw.com site, there a file called nf17.exe that appears when u select your motherboard type and when I boot up with a floppy to use awdflash.exe it says it not compatible but it should be. Does anyone have any idea ? this the first time i had any trouble updating a mobo.
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 12:01
Sorry m8, no idea. Why don't you use mattys utility above?
Richard M
17-07-2003, 12:05
Why not just buy a newer mobo?
Have a look at these: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Asus.html
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 12:15
Originally posted by Roger K
Why not just buy a newer mobo?
Have a look at these: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Asus.html Nooooo.....I did that in December. I just want to max out this mobo with regards to the processor that it can take. Then get the ge-force fx 5900. That should last me a while. After that I will be getting a new machine completely (in a couple of years- having squeezed 4+ years out of this 'puter by that time).
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 12:32
Newer ? lol i only just brought it 3 weeks ago :p
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 12:37
Originally posted by TigaSefi
Newer ? lol i only just brought it 3 weeks ago :p And you need new bios?:eek: :confused:
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 13:16
yeah Championship Manager 4 keeps making XP bluescreen'd so i think a BIOS update may solve the problem.
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 13:18
Originally posted by matty4donna
http://www.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/asusupdt5.12.01.zip - theres the link to .... i knew id track it down eventually :D
Matty....I have installed that app. Looks good but it keeps telling me that there are too many users on the asus sites and it won't connect. Will try again later...have you ever used it yourself?
Bifta
17-07-2003, 13:30
Originally posted by Ramrod
And you need new bios?:eek: :confused:

that particular motherboard could have been sitting in stock at the retailer for months, they're hardly likely to update the bios before it leaves their warehouse.
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 13:30
Originally posted by Bifta
that particular motherboard could have been sitting in stock at the retailer for months, they're hardly likely to update the bios before it leaves their warehouse. Of course, silly me:D
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 13:38
03-17-2003 is the motherboard BIOS date AT THE MOMENT. The only i am trying to update it to is June 2003 :-)
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 13:43
Originally posted by TigaSefi
03-17-2003 is the motherboard BIOS date AT THE MOMENT. The only i am trying to update it to is June 2003 :-)
I just got mattys application to work. It didn't want to connect from behind a firewall, as soon as I switched it off it connected and I now have the latest bios for my mobo (it was really easy and it did it all itself...and installed something called 'musikmatch jukebox' on my machine) Which I will be getting rid of as soon as I can figure out how to:mad:
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 13:45
lol that great but Abit doesn't have this flash feature which i used on Gigabyte mobo till the gigabyte one died. Abit still uses the "manual" method.

EDIT: They just released a new update on their website. Will be giving this a go tonight.
timewarrior2001
17-07-2003, 13:46
Originally posted by Ramrod
I just got mattys application to work. It didn't want to connect from behind a firewall, as soon as I switched it off it connected and I now have the latest bios for my mobo (it was really easy and it did it all itself...and installed something called 'musikmatch jukebox' on my machine) Which I will be getting rid of as soon as I can figure out how to:mad:

Musicmatch jukebox is a 10MB + download that you need ot register for. I doubt the flash util did that.
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 13:48
Originally posted by timewarrior2001
Musicmatch jukebox is a 10MB + download that you need ot register for. I doubt the flash util did that.
well where the f*ck did it come from?:confused: It wasn't there before I flashed and it was there immediately after restart?!
btw....I have removed it now
matty4donna
17-07-2003, 13:49
Originally posted by Ramrod
Matty....I have installed that app. Looks good but it keeps telling me that there are too many users on the asus sites and it won't connect. Will try again later...have you ever used it yourself? Yes i use it all the time, i only ever buy Asus for myself and my customers as they offer the best reliability, speed and usually features :)

I currently run an Asus A7V8X Deluxe in my main system (getting a bit dated but ive had it since last October and still supports nearly everything :) )
matty4donna
17-07-2003, 13:50
Originally posted by Ramrod
I just got mattys application to work. It didn't want to connect from behind a firewall, as soon as I switched it off it connected and I now have the latest bios for my mobo (it was really easy and it did it all itself...and installed something called 'musikmatch jukebox' on my machine) Which I will be getting rid of as soon as I can figure out how to:mad: I doubt it will be the BIOS software that has installed it, i have never had it install :confused:
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 13:51
Originally posted by matty4donna
Yes i use it all the time, i only ever buy Asus for myself and my customers as they offer the best reliability, speed and usually features :)

I currently run an Asus A7V8X Deluxe in my main system (getting a bit dated but ive had it since last October and still supports nearly everything :) ) Cheers for the link m8:)
I am now going to buy a faster processor.....can't decide between the 2400 xp or the2600:confused:
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 13:51
Originally posted by matty4donna
I doubt it will be the BIOS software that has installed it, i have never had it install :confused: Stranger and stranger. Could it have been there all along but never 'activated'?
matty4donna
17-07-2003, 13:54
Originally posted by Ramrod
Stranger and stranger. Could it have been there all along but never 'activated'? Musicmatch is a program that tends to come with a lot of freeware etc... But it does take you through an install wizard so you would have known if you installed it manually. strange :shrug:
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 13:55
Originally posted by matty4donna
Musicmatch is a program that tends to come with a lot of freeware etc... But it does take you through an install wizard so you would have known if you installed it manually. strange :shrug: Well its gone now.....:)
Bifta
17-07-2003, 13:56
Originally posted by Ramrod
Cheers for the link m8:)
I am now going to buy a faster processor.....can't decide between the 2400 xp or the2600:confused:

Go for the 2400

edit: unless you want one with a 333mhz FSB that is ...
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 13:57
i just found flashmenu120.exe that is written for my mobo. whoopee!!
matty4donna
17-07-2003, 13:59
Originally posted by Ramrod
Cheers for the link m8:)
I am now going to buy a faster processor.....can't decide between the 2400 xp or the2600:confused: From the sounds of things, you want as much power as you can get from your machine (hence the GeForceFX 5900) so i would just go for 2600+ and if your mobo can now support it at 333Mhz its a bonus. If not ill look out for a 266Mhz FSB version for you ;)
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 14:02
http://www.pcindex.co.uk - try searching there.
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 14:07
Originally posted by matty4donna
From the sounds of things, you want as much power as you can get from your machine (hence the GeForceFX 5900) so i would just go for 2600+ and if your mobo can now support it at 333Mhz its a bonus. If not ill look out for a 266Mhz FSB version for you ;) I think I would need the 266MHz fsb version, and it seems quite hard to find.
timewarrior2001
17-07-2003, 14:12
I just found out that my ECS K7S5A board supports the 2400 and 2600 CPU too. Was gonna flash the BIOS with the one that added that support and realised my BIOS date was the same.
Got a chufty on here lol.
matty4donna
17-07-2003, 14:16
ive exhausted all my usual non-trade suppliers and can only find the 333Mhz version! :(
TigaSefi
17-07-2003, 14:25
http://www.simply.co.uk/default.asp?sn=2084984165&strRedirect=shop%2Fxt%5Fadditem%2Easp%3Fsku%3D4823 0%26intProductQty%3D1&ibble=ADAPMFC9QSPV9H7D95V48KFQB9D5D2MD

Try that Matty

EDIT: it friggin' expensive :( £129.99 + delivery.
Bifta
17-07-2003, 14:27
ECS users can get the latest "overclocking bios" from OCworkbench http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=27

You 'could' then simply up the FSB speed to 166mhz either from the bios or by using a tool like this

http://www.podien.onlinehome.de/CPUFSB.HTM

Alternatively you could just put your ECS boards in their rightful place, the dustbin ;)
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 14:36
Originally posted by TigaSefi
http://www.simply.co.uk/default.asp?sn=2084984165&strRedirect=shop%2Fxt%5Fadditem%2Easp%3Fsku%3D4823 0%26intProductQty%3D1&ibble=ADAPMFC9QSPV9H7D95V48KFQB9D5D2MD

Try that Matty

EDIT: it friggin' expensive :( £129.99 + delivery. Yes, I noticed the simply price earlier:eek: . Not paying that especially as I swear I saw the 2600 on e-buyer yesterday for half that price!
Probably will go for the 2400:)
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 14:37
Originally posted by matty4donna
ive exhausted all my usual non-trade suppliers and can only find the 333Mhz version! :( Never mind, tnx matty, you've been a great help already:)
Ramrod
17-07-2003, 15:27
Just placed an order with e-buyer for the 2400 xp and some antec silver:)
eta Tuesday




......then I need to get the geforce fx5900:naughty: