The 2017 General Election

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by peanut

In a perfect world there's nothing to disagree with the above as it basic common sense, but it ain't a perfect world. As it stands the rich get richer and the poor is getting poorer. It's no wonder why people vote Labour or whatever. It's not to be a socialist but because their circumstances might be a little bit better under Labour. Some just can't afford to vote for the better of the country when some are hit harder than others, it's personal.

Probably the 'left' here don't bother voicing their opinions or concerns here as it's just too hostile and just too blue here so it's just not worth it, not because 'the silence is deafening'.

All I see on the internet and on the news is labour supporters attacking those that didn't vote labour. The vile responses that I have read and seen are out of this world. Simply because a Labour voter asumes we are better off under a labour Gov. However I haven't seen Tory voters ramming it down peoples throat. Perhaps some poor people see it that Conservatives or any other party would be a better life for them also.

I voted Tories because I think I can see a better country through them. I earn just over 18k as a support worker for the NHS.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Mockery of the disabled Mick?? The suggestion that the PM might have autistic traights isn't new. If she does she has my every sympathy in that regard, not mockery.

tbh it's no wonder the stuff that goes down on this forum when you yourself set the bar so low, and are less than even handed. Not going anywhere mate or giving up posting like others have. You could ban me if you want, so you can have an echo chamber with your right wing chums, though I guess even you would soon tire of that.

Let's get one thing straight, actually a few things.

I need noones permission to ban any one on here but that's not how I work and I haven't banned someone on here for years, except a few spammers of late.

So just so you know, if I really wanted to ban you, I'd have done it by now.

As for people who may have stopped posting. Said this before, many times. Their choice. The crux of this site is, people come and go as they please. If they stop posting, so be it, I won't ever feel any guilt or lose sleep.

What else? Oh yes, I'm not your mate. I couldn't possibly be a mate with an individual that has persistent issues with democracy. People have died and fought wars for the democratic right. Nor could I respect that person either for the same reasons.

Who are these right wing chums you speak of ? Love to know who they are given I'm not actually right wing myself.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

All I see on the internet and on the news is labour supporters attacking those that didn't vote labour. The vile responses that I have read and seen are out of this world. Simply because a Labour voter asumes we are better off under a labour Gov. However I haven't seen Tory voters ramming it down peoples throat. Perhaps some poor people see it that Conservatives or any other party would be a better life for them also.

I voted Tories because I think I can see a better country through them. I earn just over 18k as a support worker for the NHS.

I think we see, hear and read what we want to suit our own agendas. I've seen the opposite and the full on attacks on Labour from Tory voters. I couldn't vote Tory because their campaign was crap and offered nothing to me personally and the cuts to the disabled affects me all too much. Also Theresa May has been useless up to now. Brexit is going to happen regardless and I don't have much opinion on it either-way but I can see why others would vote Tory on the basis of Brexit.

To be fair I don't get out much, but I do read whats on this site and unfortunately it doesn't help my view of the Tories overall.

I stand to lose just as much as anyone with any disability cuts and also wasn't impressed with the last election campaign by any of the parties pending where you looked it was lacklustre, remote and downright bribery but there was only one option that gave the UK it's best chance and i voted accordingly. I voted brexit for the benefit of my kids futures not mine i will likely suffer from brexit but again i truly believe leaving the EU is in the longterm best interest of the UK.

After the general election i got a wake up to how far this country has slipped and just how awful some of it's population are and now i find myself not liking much about the UK only a few people give me any hope for the future so barring a lottery win I'll just have to reside here and hope for the best.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I stand to lose just as much as anyone with any disability cuts and also wasn't impressed with the last election campaign by any of the parties pending where you looked it was lacklustre, remote and downright bribery but there was only one option that gave the UK it's best chance and i voted accordingly. I voted brexit for the benefit of my kids futures not mine i will likely suffer from brexit but again i truly believe leaving the EU is in the longterm best interest of the UK.

After the general election i got a wake up to how far this country has slipped and just how awful some of it's population are and now i find myself not liking much about the UK only a few people give me any hope for the future so barring a lottery win I'll just have to reside here and hope for the best.

That's just what the loony leftists troublemakers and those who oppose democracy want mate - they trade in nastiness, intimidation and violence and if we give in to them they get their way. Just look at the sort of terminology routinely used to describe people who voted for Brexit - racists, bigots, xenophobes blah blah blah. These people have no interest in democracy, they preach hatred and division just like the Islamists and justify their appalling actions in the same way. They are nasty, nasty, people but in reality they are small in number just like the terrorists. We've seen this all before with nasty pieces of work like Bernie (the police got a good hiding) Grant and the militant loonies who were running Liverpool like their own little kingdom largely by fear and intimidation with a big dose of nepotism for their nasty little mates. We're seeing it again within Corbyn's Labour party. Whatever happened to all that cuddly new politics he was on about eh? Lies and hypocrisy run within some people's DNA mate, none more so than those at the helm of Labour...

[Mr K]

We hear a lot about the 'loony left' on here, but it's the loony right that have caused most of the problems in this country in recent years. Look where it's got us, UKIP loons, the wealth gap and divisions bigger than ever before, the health service crumbling, and the country heading towards becoming a little England backwater to be pitied. There's only so long the right can keep blaming left wing politicians from decades ago for all our problems , well you'd think there was anyway.....

[Dave42]

Theresa May given 10 days by Tory MPs to 'shape up' or step down as leader

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3567506.html

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Theresa May given 10 days by Tory MPs to 'shape up' or step down as leader

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3567506.html

If they get rid of her which l still think is highly unlikely the public will be less forgivable come the next election one suspects as its yet again another unelected leader with a party putting themselves before their country...

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by Mr K

We hear a lot about the 'loony left' on here, but it's the loony right that have caused most of the problems in this country in recent years. Look where it's got us, UKIP loons, the wealth gap and divisions bigger than ever before, the health service crumbling, and the country heading towards becoming a little England backwater to be pitied. There's only so long the right can keep blaming left wing politicians from decades ago for all our problems , well you'd think there was anyway.....

So we are seeing a post here that is aimed again at saying that the Left are right? or am I wrong in reading it?

[Osem]

Yeah for those here blaming everything on the Tories just consider how many of these issues Labour DIDN'T address after 13 years in power with a massive majority and all that borrowing/money spent. Now try to blame those same problems all on a party which inherited a basket case economy from Brown, spent 5 years in coalition with Clegg's crew and has only been in government with a tiny majority since 2015. Ask yourselves why Labour didn't change the building regulations they're now telling us are so defective. We're not all idiots.

It's odd how these people went on and on ad nauseam about Thatcher (they're still doing it) yet suddenly want us all to have shorter memories and overlook the role their Labour cronies played in creating the mess we're in now. Excuses, excuses and more excuses. Pathetic Labour, pathetic excuses, pathetic lies.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

So we are seeing a post here that is aimed again at saying that the Left are right? or am I wrong in reading it?

No you you've read it right Gavin It's hard to believe anybody has had the temerity to say different to the true blue CF 'grandees'. No govt is totally good or bad as some would have you believe. However there hasn't been a true left wing govt for 40 years, so if you're happy with the way society and the country has gone since then, then fair enough - keep blaming everything that goes wrong on 'lefties' from decades ago, as some would say it's 'pathetic' (and boring like their signatures). Labour may not have won the election but they've dealt the Govt. a fatal blow; the tide is turning, and the Tories are pressing the self destruct as usual. The young are now engaged and voting, and the middle class are beginning to see the light.
(why is this forum coloured blue btw? )

[Osem]

More nonsense and political opportunism from Corbyn's cronies:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/18/c...e-empty-homes/

They're making it up on the hoof.

Originally Posted by Mr K

No you you've read it right Gavin It's hard to believe anybody has had the temerity to say different to the true blue CF 'grandees'. No govt is totally good or bad as some would have you believe. However there hasn't been a true left wing govt for 40 years, so if you're happy with the way society and the country has gone since then, then fair enough - keep blaming everything that goes wrong on 'lefties' from decades ago, as some would say it's 'pathetic' (and boring like their signatures). Labour may not have won the election but they've dealt the Govt. a fatal blow; the tide is turning, and the Tories are pressing the self destruct as usual. The young are now engaged and voting, and the middle class are beginning to see the light.
(why is this forum coloured blue btw? )

Fatal blow, have I missed the news as this morning I could have sworn the Conservatives were still running the country.

Corbyns mask is already srarting to slip, it's clear he is trying to cause a class war along with McDonnell

Corbyns little followers are romping ahead on social media and that's translating to greater support and it's about time the tories caught up in that area labour have realised what a great tool social media is and are using it to great affect. Theresa may is a lame duck PM as long as they carry on as they are and the election should have hammered home that this distance approach is not a good idea.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

Fatal blow, have I missed the news as this morning I could have sworn the Conservatives were still running the country.

Corbyns mask is already srarting to slip, it's clear he is trying to cause a class war along with McDonnell

That's exactly what they're doing quite cynically and dangerously IMHO but they know that and it's a price they're prepared to pay to seize power. It's exactly what their type always do. They'll lie, spin and mislead people as much as they can because all they are interested in is power no matter what the cost.