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Old 31-12-2017, 18:29   #1456
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Re: Brexit discussion

I'm pretty sure that after people saw through Bliar there was a shift to wishing that they had never voted for him in the first place. Nevertheless, he remained prime minister until what people had voted for (his term in office) came to an end. I don't see why the one and only, binding, this is what will happen if you vote out etc etc....vote should be treated any differently.
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Old 31-12-2017, 18:42   #1457
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Re: Brexit discussion

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I'm pretty sure that after people saw through Bliar there was a shift to wishing that they had never voted for him in the first place. Nevertheless, he remained prime minister until what people had voted for (his term in office) came to an end. I don't see why the one and only, binding, this is what will happen if you vote out etc etc....vote should be treated any differently.
That's because you believe in democracy...
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Old 31-12-2017, 18:59   #1458
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That's because you believe in democracy...
Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.
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Old 31-12-2017, 19:13   #1459
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Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.
What referenda has the EU forced on any country?
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Old 31-12-2017, 19:33   #1460
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Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.
Correct. They've got previous when it comes to that...
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What referenda has the EU forced on any country?
These have been referenda on new treaties. The Irish didnt vote yes once and I think the Belgians had problems with a regional parliament over the Canadian Trade agreement. i think there has been one other event.
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These have been referenda on new treaties. The Irish didnt vote yes once and I think the Belgians had problems with a regional parliament over the Canadian Trade agreement. i think there has been one other event.
The Irish vote was a vote to change the Irish constitution to incorporate the Lisbon treaty.. The vote was a ‘no’ so the wording of the amendment was changed and the referendum run again with a ‘yes’ result. It was an internal thing for Ireland and the 28th amendment went ahead.

The thing with Belgium wasn’t a referendum. Wallonia were concerned about some protections around agriculture and so blocked the Belgium federal governments ratification of the treaty. Assurances were given, Wallonia agreed, the Belgian government ratified the agreement.
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Old 31-12-2017, 22:13   #1463
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Unlike the undemocratic EU that makes you vote again and again until you get the "right" result.
What sort of person would suggest that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36306681
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Old 01-01-2018, 00:14   #1464
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What sort of person would suggest that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36306681
Farage can/could say what he wants. Fact is that Cameron said this: David Cameron's "Leave means Leave" & "No 2nd Ref" speech
That's what we were promised.
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Old 01-01-2018, 00:24   #1465
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Farage can/could say what he wants. Fact is that Cameron said this: David Cameron's "Leave means Leave" & "No 2nd Ref" speech
That's what we were promised.
Remind me, wasn't that the same David Cameron who said he wouldn't resign even if he 'lost' the referendum?

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Old 01-01-2018, 02:10   #1466
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Remind me, wasn't that the same David Cameron who said he wouldn't resign even if he 'lost' the referendum?

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I googled that for you and found these links amongst others...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7077801.html

https://www.ft.com/content/54f5f6c5-...c-131cec69d88b

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...or-either-side

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So when he said something he meant it

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Old 01-01-2018, 06:41   #1468
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Remind me, wasn't that the same David Cameron who said he wouldn't resign even if he 'lost' the referendum?

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Strange how some self righteous politicians quote this , that and tother at us plebs but cannot quote it to themselves.
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Farage can/could say what he wants. Fact is that Cameron said this: David Cameron's "Leave means Leave" & "No 2nd Ref" speech
That's what we were promised.
They told us there'd be no second chances to pile the pressure on those tempted to leave and get their way - it was all part of project fear. Having lost the argument it clearly suits some folks to start whining about people changing their minds, didn't know what they were voting for blah blah blah... Pathetic.
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Once again, I have to remind posters of the 1st post in this thread.
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The constant baiting, belittling of either side of the vote needs to end. The new thread must be a reasonable and a frank debate, it's impossible to agree on this topic but none of this "he/she is thick" or "you're a snowflake". This is not Facebook or twitter.
Repetition of silliness will result in the Infraction System being invoked.
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