Multiculturalism is dangerous

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Also not all are liars, cheats and fakes.

Well if they’re claiming asylum many of them are.

They’re economic migrants. Converting to Christianity, gaming the system so they can claim they would be under threat if they were sent back to whatever Islamic country they’ve come from.

If someone was genuinely claiming asylum, I’d be sympathetic but these aren’t genuine asylum seekers in the main.

But as I’ve said in other posts/threads the small boats aren’t the issue, yes they need to be stopped but legal migration is too high and out of control. Totally within the government’s control.

Small boats, Rwanda etc, is just a smokescreen for the governments total ineptitude to control migration.

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-christianity/



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Forty asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm barge are converting to Christianity amid growing fears that migrants are claiming to have changed their religion in order to stay in the country.

Nearly one in seven of the 300 migrants on the barge in Portland, Dorset, are attending churches under the supervision of local faith leaders, according to a church elder.

The disclosure comes amid a growing row over the role of UK churches in supporting the conversion to Christianity of migrants including Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, the suspected Clapham chemical attacker.

Characteristically, you are assuming the worst of converting Muslims.

Imagine that you had escaped a brutal Muslum regime where your life was in danger because you are a political opponent or you helped the west as a translator. You arrive in a European country to seek asylum. Whether you have been declared illegal, as in the UK, or you are awaiting a decision in a more civilised European country, you then get helped by local Christian groups. Against your expectations, you are treated like a human, given food and clothing and generally shown compassion. As a believer in the same god as the Christians, imagine the relief there must be when you realise the relative liberation of modern Christians as opposed to the brand of Islam you just escaped.

Muslims are converting to Christianity all over Europe. In most cases, given their plight back in their own country, they would have been granted asylum anyway, Christian or not. In the UK, where genuine refugees are being declared illegal even though they are not illegal in international law, their emotional response to the only compassion many are offered will be driving many to Christianity.

I would have thought, Sephi, that you would be relieved at the epiphany so many Muslims are experiencing and which is leading them away from Islam, a religion you regard as poisonous.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-christianity

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Originally Posted by Pierre

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-christianity/

well there's forty more

https://christianconcern.com/comment...sylum-seekers/

Oh and look



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That didn't age well.

What didn't age well? Are you assuming that all these conversions are opportunistic?

See my response to Sephi. There's a different interpretation.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

Characteristically, you are assuming the worst of converting Muslims.

Imagine that you had escaped a brutal Muslum regime where your life was in danger because you are a political opponent or you helped the west as a translator. You arrive in a European country to seek asylum. Whether you have been declared illegal, as in the UK, or you are awaiting a decision in a more civilised European country, you then get helped by local Christian groups. Against your expectations, you are treated like a human, given food and clothing and generally shown compassion. As a believer in the same god as the Christians Imagine the relief there must be when you realise the relative liberation of modern Christians as opposed to the brand of Islam you just escaped.

Muslims are converting to Christianity all over Europe. In most cases, given their plight back in their own country, they would have been granted asylum anyway, Christian or not. In the UK, where genuine refugees are being declared illegal even though they are not illegal in international law, their emotional response to the only compassion many are offered will be driving many to Christianity.

I would have thought, Sephi, that you would be relieved at the epiphany so many Muslims are experiencing and which is leading them away from Islam, a religion you regard as poisonous.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-christianity

Imagine that you had escaped a brutal Muslum regime where your life was in danger because you are a political opponent or you helped the west as a translator. You arrive in a European country to seek asylum. Whether you have been declared illegal, as in the UK, or you are awaiting a decision in a more civilised European country, you then get helped by local Christian groups. Against your expectations, you are treated like a human, given food and clothing and generally shown compassion. As a believer in the same god as the Christians Imagine the relief there must be when you realise the relative liberation of modern Christians as opposed to the brand of Islam you just escaped.

What's wrong with the person seeking asylum in the first European country they enter? You mention local Christian groups. These people, if in the UK, are being fooled by most, if not all the migrants who are gaming our system. Also, you've stated that the converting Muslims are relieved to have got away from that nasty Islam that they so despised. That is total, naive, fancy.

Muslims are converting to Christianity all over Europe. In most cases, given their plight back in their own country, they would have been granted asylum anyway, Christian or not. In the UK, where genuine refugees are being declared illegal even though they are not illegal in international law, their emotional response to the only compassion many are offered will be driving many to Christianity.

Good - let them do that; in Europe - not here when it's during their detention and they're gaming the system. Are you blind?

I would have thought, Sephi, that you would be relieved at the epiphany so many Muslims are experiencing and which is leading them away from Islam, a religion you regard as poisonous.

I regard those illegal migrants as poisonous as you regard my view of Islam. Anyone with a genuine reason for asylum should apply in France or elsewhere in Europe. Better still if they haven't destroyed their documents.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's wrong with the person seeking asylum in the first European country they enter? You mention local Christian groups. These people, if in the UK, are being fooled by most, if not all the migrants who are gaming our system. Also, you've stated that the converting Muslims are relieved to have got away from that nasty Islam that they so despised. That is total, naive, fancy.



Good - let them do that; in Europe - not here when it's during their detention and they're gaming the system. Are you blind?



I regard those illegal migrants as poisonous as you regard my view of Islam. Anyone with a genuine reason for asylum should apply in France or elsewhere in Europe. Better still if they haven't destroyed their documents.

Are you forgetting that we are still in Europe. It's a continent.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Are you forgetting that we are still in Europe. It's a continent.

You're playing on words. These liars, cheats and fakes are gaming our poor immigration system. If they were genuine, they'd apply for asylum in France or elsewhere on the main continent.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You're playing on words. These liars, cheats and fakes are gaming our poor immigration system. If they were genuine, they'd apply for asylum in France or elsewhere on the main continent.

I'd worry more about our home grown inactive, on benefits, ageing population. That's what's killing the country.

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'd worry more about our home grown inactive, on benefits, ageing population. That's what's killing the country.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

What didn't age well? Are you assuming that all these conversions are opportunistic?
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[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You're playing on words. These liars, cheats and fakes are gaming our poor immigration system. If they were genuine, they'd apply for asylum in France or elsewhere on the main continent.

Things they didn't print on the red bus No. 23 "Vote Brexit for a more multi-cultural Britain"

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Things they didn't print on the red bus No. 23 "Vote Brexit for a more multi-cultural Britain"

Tbf would have needed to be a long bus.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by roughbeast

Are you assuming that all these conversions are opportunistic?

.

Absobloodylutely I am.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You're playing on words. These liars, cheats and fakes are gaming our poor immigration system. If they were genuine, they'd apply for asylum in France or elsewhere on the main continent.

1. Because they don’t have too there’s a myriad of reasons why people may choose to arrive in the U.K some legitimate others not so

2. Can you provide your factual source for them being liars,cheats & fakes ? The home office doesn’t publish a breakdown of who is a genuine refugee vs economic migrant.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The home office doesn’t publish a breakdown of who is a genuine refugee vs economic migrant.

If only they did.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

1. Because they don’t have too there’s a myriad of reasons why people may choose to arrive in the U.K some legitimate others not so

2. Can you provide your factual source for them being liars,cheats & fakes ? The home office doesn’t publish a breakdown of who is a genuine refugee vs economic migrant.

Even you know it's true. The link I provided earlier to the 40 or so migrants on the barge who declare a wish to convert to Christianity is proof enough. As is the filmed ditching of documents in the Channel.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Even you know it's true. The link I provided earlier to the 40 or so migrants on the barge who declare a wish to convert to Christianity is proof enough. As is the filmed ditching of documents in the Channel.

So that’s true of forty people subset you’re then extrapolating to cover the whole number ?

So, by your logic a subset of people who are racist, xenophobic bigots hold the same opinion as you, I can therefore extrapolate, and that makes you the same ?