Online Safety Bill

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Stephen

It's also true of relatives and people that live with dementia everyday.

Absolutely. Sufferers are neuro diverse, not snowflakes and cannot simply 'get a grip', which is another way of saying 'pull themselves together'. It was an ignorant and offensive thing for itshim to say.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Absolutely. Sufferers are neuro diverse, not snowflakes and cannot simply 'get a grip', which is another way of saying 'pull themselves together'. It was an ignorant and offensive thing for itshim to say.

As I stated that's not at all what he meant.

I wouldn't even call them neuro diverse. It's a strange term that's only appeared recently and don't think it's a good description at all. Having known a number of people with Dementia/Alzheimers including my mum and wife's mum as well as other residents of the care home they were each in. It's certainly a disease that affects everyone differently and how long it takes someone to determinate varies greatly. On such a personal level too, it takes a lot to wrap your head around and even accept it. Wife's and husbands are usually those who struggle most with acceptance and then willingness to seek and accept help.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Stephen

It's also true of relatives and people that live with dementia everyday.

Have lived with this.my problem is people jumping on the bandwagon as a reason for following the latest fashion .

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Stephen

As I stated that's not at all what he meant.

I wouldn't even call them neuro diverse. It's a strange term that's only appeared recently and don't think it's a good description at all. Having known a number of people with Dementia/Alzheimers including my mum and wife's mum as well as other residents of the care home they were each in. It's certainly a disease that affects everyone differently and how long it takes someone to determinate varies greatly. On such a personal level too, it takes a lot to wrap your head around and even accept it. Wife's and husbands are usually those who struggle most with acceptance and then willingness to seek and accept help.

Yes, it's a terribly sad disease, including for those around them.

We all have our problems, but there is always someone worse off than ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Have lived with this.my problem is people jumping on the bandwagon as a reason for following the latest fashion .

I still don't understand what you mean. Are you saying this in reaction to the Government saying that depression & anxiety should no longer qualify for sickness/disability benefits and that sufferers should be required to go back to work?

If so, these conditions can be very debilitating. I suspect that the Government know this and it's electioneering to try and appeal to their more right wing supporters.

The term 'neuro diverse' encompasses a host of conditions that affect th8ngs such as memory, cognitive skills, speech, personality, behaviour etc etc.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Yes, it's a terribly sad disease, including for those around them.

We all have our problems, but there is always someone worse off than ourselves.

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I still don't understand what you mean. Are you saying this in reaction to the Government saying that depression & anxiety should no longer qualify for sickness/disability benefits and that sufferers should be required to go back to work?

If so, these conditions can be very debilitating. I suspect that the Government know this and it's electioneering to try and appeal to their more right wing supporters.

The term 'neuro diverse' encompasses a host of conditions that affect th8ngs such as memory, cognitive skills, speech, personality, behaviour etc etc.

In answer your question YES , sitting around feeling sorry for yourself really works well if the pandemic showed anything its sitting at home is not the solution

[jfman]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

How website owners manage their affairs is down to them, but for their own sake it would be advisable for them to satisfy themselves that they are being compliant with the law as the penalties for not doing so can ultimately lead to imprisonment. I guess that this is why Facebook have taken on more moderators.

Rubbish.

Government can’t just invent rules and regulations with no consideration of how they work in actual reality for everyone, from large social media outlets down to websites run as a hobby.

With the best will in the world dementia has nothing to do with anything on this thread.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

Rubbish.

Government can’t just invent rules and regulations with no consideration of how they work in actual reality for everyone, from large social media outlets down to websites run as a hobby.

With the best will in the world dementia has nothing to do with anything on this thread.

So, if someone were to make innapropriate comments because they had started to develop dementia (or any other neuro diverse condition) you don't think that this should be taken into consideration if they got into trouble with the authorities for
said comments? They should simply be treated as though they hadn't been affected by the issue?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

So, if someone were to make innapropriate comments because they had started to develop dementia (or any other neuro diverse condition) you don't think that this should be taken into consideration if they got into trouble with the authorities for
said comments? They should simply be treated as though they hadn't been affected by the issue?

What about the ones that just use it as an excuse...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Itshim

In answer your question YES , sitting around feeling sorry for yourself really works well if the pandemic showed anything its sitting at home is not the solution

Thanks for confirming what you meant. Conditions such as depression and anxiety are complex conditions. There are different types, how severe they are varies from person to person and it can be very debilitating. Self harm or even suicide are prevalent with sufferers.

We're not talking about the normal ups & downs of life or times when we are anxious like before an exam or driving test, but real mental health problems. These cannot be treated with a broad 'pull yourself together' approach.

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Originally Posted by peanut

What about the ones that just use it as an excuse...

If someone has been accused of falling foul of laws designed to protect others on the internet and it comes to light that they have a certain condition then, in order for this to be taken into consideration, they would have to have the condition verified by a mental health professional and have confirmation that said condition could lead to whatever it is that they've been accused of.

Steps would still have to be taken to prevent them from causing harm to others.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

So, if someone were to make innapropriate comments because they had started to develop dementia (or any other neuro diverse condition) you don't think that this should be taken into consideration if they got into trouble with the authorities for
said comments? They should simply be treated as though they hadn't been affected by the issue?

By "the authorities" I assume you mean the police, or the prosecution service. They would be obliged to consider this under the Equality Act.

However if you are proposing that disabled people have to declare this to every Internet forum, social media platform they use, and their ISP (and all of these become arbiters of what disabilities are sufficient, and which aren't) then you are having a laugh.

[OLD BOY]

I think the answer to this is for everyone to identify as neuro-diverse with Tourette’s and we’ll be able to get away with almost anything.

[Itshim]

[QUOTE=RichardCoulter;36174531]Thanks for confirming what you meant. Conditions such as depression and anxiety are complex conditions. There are different types, how severe they are varies from person to person and it can be very debilitating. Self harm or even suicide are prevalent with sufferers.

We're not talking about the normal ups & downs of life or times when we are anxious like before an exam or driving test, but real mental health problems. These cannot be treated with a broad 'pull yourself together' approach.

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However for the most of these problems are just that. Just look at the numbers prior and post pandemic. It's a excuse to avoid people's collective responsibility , the I can't/Won't mob strikes again