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Old 27-02-2017, 11:53   #481
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As I've said previously, that trump has some Goldman Sachs representatives was a concern. This would be in the same category.

But to infer that Trump is a Globalist is nonsense. It was obvious from the get-go that the BBC were very anti Trump, so I decided to find out what Trump was actually saying, to make up my own mind on his policies.

His campaign speeches, and his speeches since then are readily available on Youtube, of which I watched a good number of in full.

No one listening to those speeches could get even a glint of a globalist agenda. His emphasis on one to one trade deals is a good example. One of the main ways globalism is 'back-doored' is multinational trade deals. which bring multinational laws with them. Trump is against those deals.

I loved this bit from his CPAC speech (44 minutes in) re globalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXWBcDz3Y68

Trust me, I will be monitoring President Trump. He has made a lot of promises, and I'm as keen as anyone to make sure he keeps them. The only policy areas I don't have an opinion on is health care and taxation, simply because I don't know enough about the USA in these areas. That still leaves me a lot to monitor though.
In respect of globalisation, you need to judge him from his actions like his appointees and not his speeches. Lke most politicians, he has a habit of telling audiences what they want to hear.

His appointment of McMaster as national security adviser is a great move, this is a very interesting read. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...curity-adviser

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Old 27-02-2017, 12:51   #482
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In respect of globalisation, you need to judge him from his actions like his appointees and not his speeches. Lke most politicians, he has a habit of telling audiences what they want to hear.

His appointment of McMaster as national security adviser is a great move, this is a very interesting read. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...curity-adviser

You are determined to convince people that Trump is bad and Brexit is bad. That is your right to do so.

But other people will draw own conclusions. I've done my research and I can see no evidence of Trump taking a globalist stance; quite the opposite; he believes in Sovereign Nations. And he's the boss. His policy will be what he said in his speeches.

Steve Bannon confirmed that in his CPAC speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTh...kv64yhGbdSD37f
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You are determined to convince people that Trump is bad and Brexit is bad. That is your right to do so.

But other people will draw own conclusions. I've done my research and I can see no evidence of Trump taking a globalist stance; quite the opposite; he believes in Sovereign Nations. And he's the boss. His policy will be what he said in his speeches.

Steve Bannon confirmed that in his CPAC speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsTh...kv64yhGbdSD37f
I've just commended Trump on one of his actions. I'm interested in discussing him. I'm not saying being anti-globalist is wrong or right, I'm just pointing out his many globalist connections and advisers.
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The BBC (British Bullsh*t Corporation) would claim that. We were not told of the true and full extent of the EECs political aims at that time, It was sold to us as a purely trade membership.

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The countless demonstrations, many riots and the visceral outpouring of toddler grade angst and frustration bear testimony to that statement

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In your echo chamber

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That is amazingly blind. Pie (one of your lefty friends) tells it like it is link. You liberals really can't accept liability for closing down debate, can you?
Why are you so consistently hostile? Do you really want a forum where everyone just posts self-congratulatory right-wing opinions?

I am not sure how I have "closed down debate"? It seems that your attitude to different opnions is more aligned to this accusation.

As far as I can see Pie is not a real person, just a work of Satire. He is not my "friend" although I do agree (with "him") that Clinton was a monumental mistake and that Sanders was the best opponent for Trump.
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But to infer that Trump is a Globalist is nonsense. It was obvious from the get-go that the BBC were very anti Trump, so I decided to find out what Trump was actually saying, to make up my own mind on his policies.
He certainly was anti-globalist in this campaign rhetoric. However is there much evidence of him taking that approach before then? He wasn't shy about outsourcing his products to Asian countries, rather than American ones, as a businessman. Now he has appointed bankers to senior positions. Surely if you believe these people are in cahoots then senior members of Goldman Sachs would be part of it.

As a sidenote I find it bizarre how quickly the right has become the cheerleaders for protectionism.
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. I'm interested in discussing him. .

I'm interested in discussing the policies he promised to implement.
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As far as I can see Pie is not a real person, just a work of Satire. He is not my "friend" although I do agree (with "him") that Clinton was a monumental mistake and that Sanders was the best opponent for Trump.
Pie is an idiot. His latest video blames Labour's electoral struggles on everyone but Corbyn. He is a hard-left 'comedian' who gets paid by RT (or did).
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I'm interested in discussing the policies he promised to implement.
I'm interested in the whole lot - the people he appoints, his speeches, his policies, his relationships with Russia, China, the EU etc. It's a fascinating time for the World regardless of your political standpoint.
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Amuses me that with the Oscars faux pas dominating the headlines nobody is reporting any anti-Trump speeches by the luvvies.
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Amuses me that with the Oscars faux pas dominating the headlines nobody is reporting any anti-Trump speeches by the luvvies.
They didn't make that many in the end. The only real one was Kimmel have a joke at his expense at the start.
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Amuses me that with the Oscars faux pas dominating the headlines nobody is reporting any anti-Trump speeches by the luvvies.
It's about time that award show was scrapped, infact scrap them all. We don't need to listen to so called jumped up celebrities who stand on a platform that is meant to award for Arts and Entertainment but it's just another episode of their warped sense of political views, mainly liberal.

I laugh at their total hypocrisy. They call Trump on his border wall and his extreme vetting. But after they leave, to go to an after party, that only celebrities can attend, they have guards at the entrance with a list of who can enter, isn't this extreme vetting?

After the party, they will venture back home to their millionaire homes, with big Security Walls ALL around them.

Celebrities are the biggest hypocrites!!!
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He certainly was anti-globalist in this campaign rhetoric. However is there much evidence of him taking that approach before then? He wasn't shy about outsourcing his products to Asian countries, rather than American ones, as a businessman. Now he has appointed bankers to senior positions. Surely if you believe these people are in cahoots then senior members of Goldman Sachs would be part of it.

As a sidenote I find it bizarre how quickly the right has become the cheerleaders for protectionism.


I've already voiced my unease about Goldman Sachs representatives being involved in an earlier post, with relevant comments on it.


I don't see it as protectionism at this point in time. He's doing what any sensible US leader should do; bringing jobs back to the US, that greedy companies have outsourced to other countries to up their profits by using cheap labour. Once we leave the EU, Britain should do the same, wherever it can. Sadly UK governments don't have the same clout as the US does in this area. Also, we have different circumstances.

He has promised to do fair trade deals with other countries.

It's true that we need to monitor these trade deals,, especially, for us, the UK one. But speculating on them, before they even begin is pointless.
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I've already voiced my unease about Goldman Sachs representatives being involved in an earlier post, with relevant comments on it.
I wonder if one of Trump's inner circle will change his views. Back in November, Trump adviser Gary Cohn, then Goldman Sachs president and chief operating officer explained why he employed people in Bangalore, “We hire people there because they work for cents on the dollar versus what people work for in the United States.”
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I wonder if one of Trump's inner circle will change his views. Back in November, Trump adviser Gary Cohn, then Goldman Sachs president and chief operating officer explained why he employed people in Bangalore, “We hire people there because they work for cents on the dollar versus what people work for in the United States.”

Exactly why I have concerns. But he is now working for a boss who's declared policies are against that sort of thing. He needs to obey his boss. These guys have expertise in financial markets. That expertise needs to be refocused to line up with Trump's policies.

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Exactly why I have concerns. But he is now working for a boss who's declared policies are against that sort of thing. He needs to obey his boss. These guys have expertise in financial markets. That expertise needs to be refocused to line up with Trump's policies.
His declared policies may be, but his actual action weren't.

Judge people by what they do, not just by what they say...

http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump...ented-workers/

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/20...n-workers.html

http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news...reign-workers/
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