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Old 11-01-2018, 20:08   #391
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A&E does not represent the whole of the NHS. It's you that's missed the point.
No but when there is a crisis, ward nurses get taken off normal duties to go and work in A&E, that’s one Of the reasons ops get cancelled
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No but when there is a crisis, ward nurses get taken off normal duties to go and work in A&E, that’s the problem and why ops get cancelled.
there are over 100,000 vacancies in the NHS; it just might be a factor.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/health-s...overtime-free/

Tell you what's a good idea, indicate to any remaining EU staff that they are not welcome any longer.. Or make student nurses take out loans for their own training...
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Old 11-01-2018, 20:19   #393
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there are over 100,000 vacancies in the NHS; it just might be a factor.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/health-s...overtime-free/

Tell you what's a good idea, indicate to any remaining EU staff that they are not welcome any longer.. Or make student nurses take out loans for their own training...
I agree its wrong to have students paying for their training. On your other point, if we didn't go running to hospital with every sniff, would we need 100,000 extra staff?
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I agree its wrong to have students paying for their training. On your other point, if we didn't go running to hospital with every sniff, would we need 100,000 extra staff?
Trying to deflect blame to the public, is letting the govt off the hook.

(I have no time for A&E time wasters believe me. I have been in a cubicle with my son been told he has a very serious illness with a couple of drunks in the next cubicle).
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Old 11-01-2018, 20:30   #395
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Trying to deflect blame to the public, is letting the govt off the hook.

(I have no time for A&E time wasters believe me. I have been in a cubicle with my son been told he has a very serious illness with a couple of drunks in the next cubicle).
Its not deflecting, i'm saying we are part of the problem. The government are also part of the problem just like the Labour party have been part of the problem in years gone by.
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Its not deflecting, i'm saying we are part of the problem. The government are also part of the problem just like the Labour party have been part of the problem in years gone by.
Possibly we are part of the problem, we keep getting older, and keep voting in parties on the basis of low taxes. We do need to get real if want a Health Service.
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Possibly we are part of the problem, we keep getting older, and keep voting in parties on the basis of low taxes. We do need to get real if want a Health Service.
13 years of Labour with >100 new stealth taxes and yet the NHS didn't get any better?
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I agree its wrong to have students paying for their training. On your other point, if we didn't go running to hospital with every sniff, would we need 100,000 extra staff?
Why? I had to pay for mine!!
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Why? I had to pay for mine!!
I didn't.
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Nor did any of our family and friends who worked or are still working for the NHS.
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13 years of Labour with >100 new stealth taxes and yet the NHS didn't get any better?
That'll be the £billions they committed the NHS as a result of PFI - privatisation of the worst kind paying over the odds for everything via lucrative gold plated private contracts which are so lucrative they're traded. Yep, IIRC, over 80% were signed on Labour's watch. Of course we'd all be able to forget about that were it not for the fact that many of these contracts are going to last for decades and costing us vast sums of money which could have been far better spent and actually improved the NHS instead of being a drain on it.
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Nor did any of our family and friends who worked or are still working for the NHS.
It's changed Den. Nurses used to get bursaries, now they have to get student loans like any other student. Given that there is a desperate shortage, it's hardly going to encourage new recruits, graduates have much better prospects and working conditions in other professions. Another Tory masterplan !
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A&E patient wait joint-worst on record.

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Almost 15% of England's A&E patients waited more than four hours to be seen last month - the joint-worst figure on record - as senior doctors warn of patients dying in corridors.
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It's changed Den. Nurses used to get bursaries, now they have to get student loans like any other student. Given that there is a desperate shortage, it's hardly going to encourage new recruits, graduates have much better prospects and working conditions in other professions. Another Tory masterplan !
Funny, that, I thought that the bursary system actually restricted the number of nurses that could be trained.

The answer is obvious. Create new nursing posts that don’t actually require a degree. There are solutions if we look for them and that is one of the more obvious ones. It wouldn’t even cost more money if the non-degree nurses were used only to fill the vacant posts. You don’t have to throw money at a problem to resolve it, you just have to get practical.
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Funny, that, I thought that the bursary system actually restricted the number of nurses that could be trained.
Well more are leaving nursing than joining OB, so getting rid of bursaries has backfired. Something they could easily resolve and should do so immediately.
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