Corbyn's kerfuffle

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

Corbyn has turned Arthur into a Tory. That's how bad he is.

The article I linked to about spin is a useful read. There is a difference between spin, which is a presentational trick, and outright lies (such as, for example, "there are no seats" when in fact there are).

Corbyn is guilty of telling an outright lie, in a way almost guaranteed to get himself caught, and then spectacularly mismanaging the fallout. He isn't fit to lead any political party, never mind the country.

A lie is a lie in my book. It's no wonder people trust politicians less than bankers or estate agents, if they really want people to start engaging with politics they could start by simply telling the truth more.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...d-bankers.aspx

I do agree with you about corbyn though, I had high hopes for him when he got the job and really hoped he could change the face of politics as we now know it but he wasn't up to it. I don't think he is a very honourable man either, if I was damaging something I claimed to love to such an extent it might be destroyed surely the decent thing to do is step aside.

[rhyds]

I'm actually beginning to doubt how "pleasant" Corbyn really is. His tetchy, combative responses to difficult questions are a bit of an eye opener.

[TheDaddy]

Sigh he's at it again

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...android-h3g-gb

It would help if he and his aides could agree on a consistent story...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0f78b2b4c727a

23 August, 17:51

Unreserved seats free but blocked by bags

Corbyn’s team revised that claim less than 50 minutes later. It told the BBC that some of those seats shown unoccupied in the picture had bags on them - “which appeared to belong to people who had gone to the toilet”.

23 August, 21:00

‘Wanted to sit with wife’

That account was changed again a few hours after, when a source in the Corbyn camp revealed the Labour leader had walked past empty unreserved seats without bags on.

They told the Guardian he had shunned them in favour of the floor as there were no two seats together and he wanted to sit with his wife, Laura Alvarez.

23 August, later that evening

‘That’s nonsense’

That allegation was flatly denied by other sources in Jeremy for Leader. One told the Mirror’s Jack Blanchard that the claim was “nonsense”, while the Sun’s Harry Cole was told: “That line about only wanting to sit with his wife is nonsense and not from us.”

24 August, 10:40

‘Wanted to sit with wife’

Corbyn held a press conference the following day when he was asked about the rubbished claims concerning his wife.

He revealed first that he turned down seats as there were no two together for him and his wife: “I looked for two empty seats together so I could sit down with my wife to talk to her - that was impossible.”

Then he upped the minimum number of seats he had been looking for, saying of the team that joined him on his journey: “There wasn’t a place for us all to sit down.”

At time of writing, this was the most recent explanation given.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by rhyds

I'm actually beginning to doubt how "pleasant" Corbyn really is. His tetchy, combative responses to difficult questions are a bit of an eye opener.

Not for me, I recall him and his unpleasantness from years back.

As for the supposed message of support from Bernie Sanders:

Jeremy Corbyn was left red-faced after his claim that he'd received a supportive message from Bernie Sanders was denied by the US senator.

It comes after the Labour leader told supporters at a phone bank on Monday evening in Walthamstow that the former Democratic hopeful for President had been in touch with his aides to draw parallels between their left-wing campaigns.

But a spokesman for Mr Sanders, who was beaten by Hillary Clinton to the Democratic nomination, told the Huffington Post: “The senator didn't send a message and doesn't intend to get involved in British politics but he admires Mr Corbyn and wishes him well.”

Of Mr Sanders supposed message, according to the Press Association, Mr Corbyn had said: “We had a message yesterday from Bernie Sanders saying that they condemned him because he wasn’t electable.

“And he said the reason they condemned him was because he was electable. And he represented a threat to the establishment within the USA.”

“So I think you can see the parallels that are going on there,” he added.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7208631.html

Yet another red face for Corbyn, well I suppose that's to be expected from someone so rooted in the leftist politics of the past.

I think what's going on here is that Corbyn and his cronies are making it up as they go along. He seems to have his very own version of the Midas touch which sadly for him, results in everything he touches going wrong...

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

He isn't fit to lead any political party, never mind the country.

He isn't fit to lead an aged aunt to the toilet

---------- Post added at 10:51 ---------- Previous post was at 10:47 ----------

I’ve noticed that a few of my very clever, thoughtful, moderately left-wing friends were pro-Corbyn, which amazed me. What I discovered was that they knew almost no facts about him or his fellow travellers. I then noticed that any given critical article about Corbyn only listed one or two facts about him. Normal, good people, who aren’t political anoraks like me, don’t have time to read hundreds of articles on politics – they read a few articles and base the rest of their opinions on gut feeling and general trend of the headlines/social media. I decided to collate in one place the most striking, verifiable facts about Corbyn and the movement he represents.

They are well worth reading.

Why you shouldn’t vote for Jeremy Corbyn

[rhyds]

Originally Posted by Osem

I think what's going on here is that Corbyn and his cronies are making it up as they go along. He seems to have his very own version of the Midas touch which sadly for him, results in everything he touches going wrong...

Ah yes, the Inverse Midas Touch, where everything he touches turns to <insert preferred euphemism for poo>

This power is also granted to BT...

He stumbles from one self inflicted injury to the next and yet still has his devout followers and will likely win the leadership election although owen smith saying he'll try to block brexit has basically shown neither leadership option is very credible. It's just plain painful to watch now i keep waiting for the vet to turn up and put the lame horse out of it's and our misery.

[Kursk]

He meant to say Colonel Sanders of KFC not Bernie Sanders

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

He stumbles from one self inflicted injury to the next and yet still has his devout followers and will likely win the leadership election although owen smith saying he'll try to block brexit has basically shown neither leadership option is very credible. It's just plain painful to watch now i keep waiting for the vet to turn up and put the lame horse out of it's and our misery.

It's quite staggering to think that the Labour party, having been wiped out in Scotland, has descended into this chaos and than none of the senior figures seem to be prepared to bite the bullet. It's quite clear that the lunatics are running the party asylum and the only way for the UK to regain an official opposition worthy of the title is now for them to split, leave Corbyn and his nutters to emulate George Galloway and get on with giving the country what it needs. The absence of any such imperative from within the massed Labour MP ranks says a great deal about the lack of leadership and conviction amongst them.

[rhyds]

Its amazing how quiet and generally useless all the Labour "Big Beasts" are at the moment. Not a peep out of Hilary Benn for example.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by rhyds

Its amazing how quiet and generally useless all the Labour "Big Beasts" are at the moment. Not a peep out of Hilary Benn for example.

I expect they're keeping their heads down waiting for the party to implode, discredit the hard left and then make their bid for a new style party of the moderate members with more "kerb appeal". I think that is likely to be a decade away at least. For the moment the mutual blood letting continues.

Originally Posted by Osem

It's quite staggering to think that the Labour party, having been wiped out in Scotland, has descended into this chaos and than none of the senior figures seem to be prepared to bite the bullet. It's quite clear that the lunatics are running the party asylum and the only way for the UK to regain an official opposition worthy of the title is now for them to split, leave Corbyn and his nutters to emulate George Galloway and get on with giving the country what it needs. The absence of any such imperative from within the massed Labour MP ranks says a great deal about the lack of leadership and conviction amongst them.

They're worried the Labour brand is too strong. There is a good solid base of people that will tick the Labour box no matter what, the Tories and Labour could switch names and they would tick the Labour box.

[Osem]

That'll be why Labour's been virtually wiped out in many places then. The Labour brand has, IMHO, been fatally flawed and its value undermined - hence the appalling election results in Scotland and almost all other traditional Labour strongholds at a time when the incumbent Govt. was far from popular.

It just gets better and better...

Are Corbyn and McDonnell Tory sleeper agents?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/la...rbyn-vvkxgzjwz (behind paywall)

Labour faces call to suspend Lord Sainsbury, its £15m donor

Labour should suspend its biggest private donor from the party, the shadow chancellor has suggested.

John McDonnell made the claim yesterday after it was revealed that Lord Sainsbury of Turville, the Blairite Labour peer who has given the party more than £15 million since 2002, had also donated £2 million to the Liberal Democrats.

The former supermarket chairman said that the donation was to support the campaign to keep Britain in the EU. In total he gave nearly £8 million to pro-Remain groups before the referendum, more than any other individual. However, Mr McDonnell accused Labour of a “clear pattern of double standards” by taking no action against Lord Sainsbury for funding a rival party while suspending a pro-Corbyn union leader yesterday.