Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Originally Posted by popper

thats obviously just a stock answer by an aid , its clear they dont understand the points raised as can be sumised by the reference to OTELO.
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obfuscateing the senders email in this case means we cant follow up and explain it and all the points raised in detail to them.

perhaps next time you write any letters in reply, you make sure you include the fact you will be publishing it in full on the cable forum unless asked not to, to make it clear we require direct meaningful answers to the question's put.

Thanks - I did not tell them I would post it here, but I will now. I have used your wording and asked for a more meaningful answer... Let's see what we get - maybe they will allow me to post the reply in full as I have said I will...

Hank

[popper]

Originally Posted by R Jones

I've forwarded the FIPR links to technology correspondents Charles Arthur of the Guardian (direct email) and Rory Cellan-Jones of the BBC via the BBC news site feedback page - might as well get mainstream as quickly as possible.

charles always worrys me though,and its not "assumption" as he puts it, his actions or rather lack of actions other than trying to keep up with chris at ElReg by rehashing old Phorm links etc, dont match up with this recent comments.

his opportune putdown of kurt at the PIA not withstanding OC, but he doesnt seem to be trying to hard in this must important issue for some reason.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...eed=technology
"Some blogger'
Except not quite. On a ZDNet discussion, one commenter said:
"Isn't it interesting that it is some blogger that actually engages in true investigative journalism. The big news houses like ZDNet, ComputerWorld, etc. simply re-printed press releases. Methinks the small mammals are going to outlive the aging, soon to be extinct dinosaurs."

"Some blogger"? Jings.

It's nice to have the situation so perfectly described in reverse. OK, so I pointed out Psystar's bizarre changes of address on a blog, but it's still the Guardian's blog, not my back room. (Not that there was a press release, either; only a few lines on Mac Rumors, and the Psystar website itself.)

It's a worrying trend, though, this assumption that newspapers can't and won't do "real journalism" (what one could describe as "finding out something readers don't yet know").

To be honest, the reverse is true. Most non-journalist bloggers don't have the time or inclination to imagine the necessary mischief required to do journalism day in, day out. Because non-routine journalism is about finding, or causing, trouble.
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[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by CWH

Evening,
As mentioned previously, Virgin media keep saying 'nothing has been decided'. However, within the last couple of days, Lynn Millar CFO of Phorm has been quoted as saying:
“Our three ISP partners have strongly reassured us that they are in
no way reconsidering their decision to deploy or are in any way reducing
their level of commitment to the project”

Someone somewhere isn't being totally honest; now why doesn't that surprise me!

Colin

I have raised this and other discrepancies with the FSA both by e-mail and by letter, especially considering that Neil Berkett's office has assured me that any implementation of Phorm is not a foregone conclusion.

I will be interested to see what the FSA have to say about Lynne Millar's comments.

[popper]

Originally Posted by Hank

Thanks - I did not tell them I would post it here, but I will now. I have used your wording and asked for a more meaningful answer... Let's see what we get - maybe they will allow me to post the reply in full as I have said I will...

Hank

before you do publish assuming he doesnt stop you , just mung the email address so its human readable but not bot pullable, we dont want them spamed with non ISP/Phorm questions now do we

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heres one everyone seemed to miss
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/..._hang_out.html
Letting it all hang out

A host of details about our personal lives are available on the net - but more often than not we are willing victims of this privacy invasion

[dav]

Just read the FIPR document. It's dynamite!

[Portly_Giraffe]

Originally Posted by Hank

(quoted from Attorney General Office's email response) "The Attorney General is principal legal advisor to government and as such is unable to offer legal aid or assistance to individuals, this office does not perform a investigatory function and in regards to your request we are unable to assist."

In which case I wonder how the previous Attorney General was in a position to call off the Serious Fraud Office's investigation into bribery and corruption after evidence emerged that payments totalling £1bn over more than a decade had been made by BAE to Prince Bandar in the £43bn Al Yamamah arms deal.

They claim they are the Government's legal advisors, so what are they going to do about it? I will have a think about this, but I don't think they can let themselves off the hook quite so easily.

[bigbadcol]

Originally Posted by roadrunner69

And don't forget bettypoos.

If she read the report would she be living up to her name

The report made my day.

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Just a thought.

If the phorm system is found to be illegal.

Then can the ISP's be charged with the intent to commit a criminal act., just by having the PHORM kit installed.?

If that is the case then all 3 ISP's can be charged and brought to book on this matter.

[popper]

i dont know how i missed this direct letter to Jacqui
http://www.fipr.org/080423holetter.pdf
FOUNDATION FOR INFORMATION POLICY RESEARCH

The Rt Hon Jacqui Smith PC MP
Home Office
2 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DF 23rd April 2008

Dear Secretary of State,

The Phorm “Webwise” System

Interception of Communications

[jelv]

Originally Posted by bigsanta11

It seems Mr Ertugrul has finally came round to our side of thinking,as he's signed the downing street online petition.

petitions.pm.gov.uk

What brainless idiot did this? You might find it amusing, but it totally undermines the validity of the petition. You might just as well have signed it Micky Mouse or Donald Duck.

If I had known that it would be corrupted like this I'd have had second thoughts about signing it myself!

[Kursk]

http://www.fipr.org/080423phormlegal.pdf

Oh dear. Oh deary, deary me. Now we're smokin'...

[AlexanderHanff]

What's this, FIPR confirming my own legal analysis of Phorm which was written weeks ago??? Shock! Horror! Someone fetch Zorro!

Evening all

Haven't finished reading FIPR document yet but I am digesting it as we speak. None of it is news for me as I already reached the same conclusions some time ago, but it is nice to see FIPR taking on the HO again and of course releasing the document to the public.

Alexander Hanff

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by popper

i dont know how i missed this direct letter to Jacqui
http://www.fipr.org/080423holetter.pdf
FOUNDATION FOR INFORMATION POLICY RESEARCH

The Rt Hon Jacqui Smith PC MP

PC? Politically Correct?

What a concise and beautiful piece of backside kicking.

[dav]

Originally Posted by popper

i dont know how i missed this direct letter to Jacqui
http://www.fipr.org/080423holetter.pdf
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Another stick of dynamite!

I'm enjoying my light reading tonight.

[mark777]

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter

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PC? Politically Correct?

What a concise and beautiful piece of backside kicking.

The "Rt Hon" indicates Privy Council, don't know if they also get letters after the name though.

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by mark777

The "Rt Hon" indicates Privy Council, don't know if they also get letters after the name though.

*slaps forehead* Yes, that will be it. Thanks for reminding me. Lack of tea since coming back to the hangar.

*goes and puts the kettle on*