Huge fire at West London tower block
24-06-2017, 10:42
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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Fine but then what the hell have fire inspections being doing for the last few years?! Were there even any?
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They can't know the hidden internal structure and materials of the building. Their focus about structure and materials will be aimed at internal walls to limit spread of any fire to neighbouring flats.
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24-06-2017, 11:57
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
'Resentful' Kensington resident says she'd move OUT if Grenfell Tower survivors were re-housed free in block where she 'pays £15,000 a year' after plans to move them into £2bn luxury complex
Donna cited her high council tax and her service charge bill of £15,500 - before saying she would resent people who would not be expected to pay to live there.
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24-06-2017, 12:06
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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'Resentful' Kensington resident says she'd move OUT if Grenfell Tower survivors were re-housed free in block where she 'pays £15,000 a year' after plans to move them into £2bn luxury complex
Donna cited her high council tax and her service charge bill of £15,500 - before saying she would resent people who would not be expected to pay to live there.
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I believe they're going to the 'affording housing' section of flats which would not have access to the facilities the service charge pays for.
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24-06-2017, 14:40
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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It sounds like there were multiple issues with the flats that were evacuated. These would have voided any insurance policies. If an incident had occurred, the Council would have been asked to explain why they did not evacuate more quickly.
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it sounds like trying to make political gain on the back of a tragedy
Dozens of angry residents refuse to leave Camden estate evacuated over fire fears
A total of 83 households refused to leave their homes after Camden residents were evacuated amid safety fears.
Approximately 4,000 people have been displaced after 650 households were told to leave the Chalcots estate after firefighters said they "could not guarantee our residents' safety", Council leader Georgia Gould said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7805946.html
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24-06-2017, 15:12
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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'Resentful' Kensington resident says she'd move OUT if Grenfell Tower survivors were re-housed free in block where she 'pays £15,000 a year' after plans to move them into £2bn luxury complex
Donna cited her high council tax and her service charge bill of £15,500 - before saying she would resent people who would not be expected to pay to live there.
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I bet those residents that aren't concerned about it haven't been reported in the media.
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24-06-2017, 16:06
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I bet those residents that aren't concerned about it haven't been reported in the media.
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wrong again
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mixed-response
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24-06-2017, 16:13
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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Reading the Guardian smurf! You'll get indoctrinated by the commies surely. Stick to the Fail if I were you
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25-06-2017, 00:17
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From what the news said all tower blocks have unsafe cladding.
We if people knowingly puthe unsafe materials on buildings they need to go to prison, and have all their assets seized.
This will take years if not decades to fix.
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25-06-2017, 00:34
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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From what the news said all tower blocks have unsafe cladding.
We if people knowingly puthe unsafe materials on buildings they need to go to prison, and have all their assets seized.
This will take years if not decades to fix.
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It's on buildings around the world.
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25-06-2017, 08:13
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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From what the news said all tower blocks have unsafe cladding.
We if people knowingly puthe unsafe materials on buildings they need to go to prison, and have all their assets seized.
This will take years if not decades to fix.
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Is it unsafe?
Just because it's flammable doesn't mean it's unsafe. All buildings are full of stuff that's flammable, it all depends on how long it takes to ignite, how long it burns for and what other fire guards are in place.
How many buildings have timber cladding? Should we go a rip all that off too?
Hysteria and witchhunt is what we are experiencing now.
like most disasters I would expect that there was a multitude of things that went wrong to make the perfect storm that caused this.
To focus on the cladding and cause hysteria helps no one.
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25-06-2017, 09:49
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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Is it unsafe?
Just because it's flammable doesn't mean it's unsafe. All buildings are full of stuff that's flammable, it all depends on how long it takes to ignite, how long it burns for and what other fire guards are in place.
How many buildings have timber cladding? Should we go a rip all that off too?
Hysteria and witchhunt is what we are experiencing now.
like most disasters I would expect that there was a multitude of things that went wrong to make the perfect storm that caused this.
To focus on the cladding and cause hysteria helps no one.
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Agree completely. It's nanny state gone mad and a massive over reaction.
Someone's curtains ignite, because it's next to a heat source like a TV or something, does this mean we ban all curtains?
Oh btw majority of people's roofs on their house is mostly timber, do we remove all the wooden supports?
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25-06-2017, 10:20
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it's idiots like abbot making rash statements for nothing more than political gain on the back of this tragedy . this sparks overreaction and panic but that's what it was meant to do .
During her outburst Ms Abbott wrongly called the tower block Grenfell House and claimed it was 23 storeys tall.
Those hundreds of people died as a direct consequence of Tory attitudes
Diane Abbott
She told a Labour Progress conference: “Grenfell House is not just an accident, Grenfell House is not just an unfortunate incident.
“Those hundreds of people died as a direct consequence of Tory attitudes in social housing. The Tories think people in social housing are second-class citizens.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/820...ng-over-bodies
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25-06-2017, 10:39
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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Agree completely. It's nanny state gone mad and a massive over reaction.
Someone's curtains ignite, because it's next to a heat source like a TV or something, does this mean we ban all curtains?
Oh btw majority of people's roofs on their house is mostly timber, do we remove all the wooden supports?
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Don't curtains have to meet certain fire safety standards to make them resistant to easily catching fire?
Here though isn't so much that fires can start, that can happen, but that it never should have spread so fast in a tower block. They're meant to be designed in such a way that fires are contained within the flats themselves for a while because as we saw last week if they're not contained there is little that can be done to stop the towers becoming a death trap.
You can't have 72 people dying because of one fire in one flat. It's not meant to happen.
So serious questions need to be asked as to how and why and then measures taken to stop it happening again.
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25-06-2017, 10:48
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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Don't curtains have to meet certain fire safety standards to make them resistant to easily catching fire?
Here though isn't so much that fires can start, that can happen, but that it never should have spread so fast in a tower block. They're meant to be designed in such a way that fires are contained within the flats themselves for a while because as we saw last week if they're not contained there is little that can be done to stop the towers becoming a death trap.
You can't have 72 people dying because of one fire in one flat. It's not meant to happen.
So serious questions need to be asked as to how and why and then measures taken to stop it happening again.
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Yup I see both sides of the issue. But I read one guy was told he and his family would have to stay on inflatable beds for at least a month or two, in a sports centre. I can certainly see why some people are refusing to leave. Sadly, I see a court order being issued and they will be removed by force, if they continue to resist.
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25-06-2017, 10:51
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Re: Huge fire at West London tower block
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Don't curtains have to meet certain fire safety standards to make them resistant to easily catching fire?
Here though isn't so much that fires can start, that can happen, but that it never should have spread so fast in a tower block. They're meant to be designed in such a way that fires are contained within the flats themselves for a while because as we saw last week if they're not contained there is little that can be done to stop the towers becoming a death trap.
You can't have 72 people dying because of one fire in one flat. It's not meant to happen.
So serious questions need to be asked as to how and why and then measures taken to stop it happening again.
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l have no doubt that certain fire safety standards have to be met for curtains and other products but whether they are rigorously met is another matter.
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