[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Bonglet

Child pornography online as you and i know it and should be excluded from search engines searches, with people getting caught all the time for this more and more now (thank god) maybee the search engine e.t.c already flag them up for it.

So if child pornography - which is illegal gets excluded from the internet, why shouldn't copied music/TV and films - which are also illegal get excluded?

You dont get my point maybe the copyright laws are wrong in this country and should be amended for every new shift made in media technology instead of some outdated 50years crapology

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Why should they? It is your choice to update your copy be it on DVD/Blu Ray or digital download.

You can still play records from from 70/80 years ago, and in fact people now make USB turntables and USB VCRs so you can copy those formats into digital - where either you own the copyright or it has expired.

Something damaged or lost by your own negligence is a totally different story to the person who still owns the product but cannot now interact with that format due to a shift in technology.

There is no shift. Things stop getting made, but that is completely different.

Just because you can't buy a brand new VCR doesn't mean you can't buy one at all.

In fact look you can still buy a VCR here - it's on Amazon. Hardly an out of the way site, so no need to download films because you will be able to play your VHS tapes

You can also get turntable, tape players and also sorts of other playback equipment as well I bet - so no need to download those either.

For anything new you want to buy, it will be on a format that is easily read, so no need to illegal download there either.

Well the number of sites matter a great deal, those sites are just recent, people have had no sites for a great deal of years but lots of free sites which far outweigh the so called legal ones.

Again you are trying to justify illegal downloading because there aren't enough legal sites?

Do you justify stealing a TV from someones house because there weren't enough shops to buy one from?!

Choice by which means? a forced choice like vinyl to cd? or vhs to dvd.

No once has forced to do any such thing!

Excellent for the people who have the money and time to invest in doing it, but for the average user who has little time or dosent have the expertise, cash to convert formats pay pay again.

Again with the forcing.

So application throttling/shaping is illegal then?.

Why would it be? There no laws against it.

Lmao sorry but your having a laugh here arent you how come then i saw my connection go to crap and the same dns error as people on the bt trial then just because it didnt have pictures dosent mean it didnt happen.
Quoting from the vm bible of where is your proof? anyhow offtopic.

I'm sorry but if you are going to accuse someone of something then you are the one that has to provide the proof. Just going 'I was on a Phorm trial cos I said so' is not enough

You Quoted the overall goal spot on specifically if you want non capped/stmd throttled pay us again through the nose services upon services milk the customer dry.

Yes pay for it, not through the nose but for you own usage.

Why should the internet be any different to gas and electric. There the more you use the more you pay.

Many people never asked for FREE upgrades to 1-2mb 2-4mb 10mb or 20mb upwards it was a shift by isp's to stay in front of the competition for bragging rights and a change in technology.

Of course there is an element to stay ahead. But if they hadn't you would be on here going 'Why don't we get to stay up to date. Other ISPs allow their customers to access the iPlayer but I've only got a 512Kbit line and it doesn't work and now Virgin want me to pay through the nose to upgrade'

If isp's cant afford to provide the service they advertise, then dont sell it dont miselad the customers by selling a product that is not fit for human consumption, all you can eat buffets for £5 then you get there and its a 2 week old sausage roll and a boiled egg.

With your all you can eat buffet analogy, the reason they can do that is people get full, so cannot eat any more and stop eating. So they average out people eat and cover their costs.

With the internet downloads that doesn't happen, so the costs involved just keep on going up to provide more and more space for people to download - but ISPs can't put their costs up because people want cheaper and cheaper services.