Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35903454)

Just a few weeks ago Corbyn's cronies were telling us how they'd not be making political capital out of the Manchester attack in the immediate aftermath. That approach didn't last long did it. It was just too big an opportunity to have another dig at the Government before the facts could either corroborate or contradict their claims. Nasty people like Livingstone who have a long history of causing insult regardless of the circumstances. Anyone would think disasters never happened on their watch and they always learned the lessons regardless of minor details like cost, practicality etc... :rolleyes:

We have a huge legacy of decades old tower blocks in the UK, what did Labour do about these tower blocks during their 13 years in office? Did they modernise them all? Did they stop at nothing to remove every possible risk factor from high rise living? Why didn't they insist that sprinkler systems were universally installed and retro-fitted when they were running the show? Does anyone really think that had this not happened and Corbyn been elected that he'd have immediately set in place a huge nationwide programme to tackle this sort of thing? Where was that commitment on such a pressing issue in his manifesto? This is nothing but the sort of political muckraking and opportunist point scoring that Labour specialise in and frankly anyone who seriously believes they'd have done anything different is deluded.

If it turns out, as it seems, that the major problem here was an unforeseen issue with the type of cladding and other materials used on this refurbishment how on earth is that the Government's fault? Presumably the materials will have passed all the relevant tests required by the agencies responsible for such matters and been given the green light so what more could have been done until this happened and exposed the reality that in a certain, perhaps highly unlikely, set of circumstances this could occur? What has Theresa May got to do with any of this except for the fact that she's a target for some very desperate and nasty people?

This world is full of disasters waiting to happen and if our government dedicated itself to eradicating very possible risk the UK would grind to a halt. In the real world judgements have to be made and things like cost v. risk considered. Yes it's all very well people jumping on the bandwagon demanding this that and the other be done but when they're asked to pay the higher prices, bear the increased taxes and suffer the inevitable disruption, regulatory burdens etc. etc. they whine about it. How many people can't even be bothered to ensure fire doors are shut in their buildings? I've been in plenty where the residents jam them open for their convenience. What can HMG do about that I wonder? In an ideal world we'd all have nice detached houses with nice safe gardens, sadly we live in the real world and there's nothing any government can do to remove every iota of risk in our lives.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35903440)

Absolutely, cutting the funding budget by 40% can only have helped the situation, same as closing 10 fire stations in London and cutting 50% of that boroughs fire services will of only helped.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35903467)

Let's wait and see what happens.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35903470)

Show me evidence. If there's evidence I'll back it.

But until then, keep your speculation and theories where they belong.

That's what we should be doing, that's what Corbyn should be doing instead of mouthing off with no evidence.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35903470)

Show me evidence. If there's evidence I'll back it.

But until then, keep your speculation and theories where they belong.

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That's what we should be doing, that's what Corbyn should be doing instead of mouthing off with no evidence.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35903474)

As I understand it the firebrigade were on site in 6 minutes. How would more funding improved this response? :shrug: Just a cheap shot on the back of a tragedy.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35903505)

If you'd had to throw your child to safety I'm sure you'd have questions you wanted answering immediately rather than wait for a public enquiry to be concluded and it's recommendations ignored like with the lakanal house inquest and what I offered wasn't speculation or theories but facts, how relevant they are remains to be seen

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According to a fireman earlier they used to respond in under five minutes

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35903322)

If you watch the video on this page you have to wonder how more have not died. :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-engl...t-london-flats

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35903508)

Well, according to the London Fire Service reports, the response time for the last couple of years is fairly static (around five and a half minutes).

http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/Docume...ce-2015-16.pdf Page 28.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35903521)

I may be wrong but there doesn't seem to be much interest amongst the great and the good for rehousing some of these unfortunate people. Wasn't long ago that all manner of lefty luvvies and politicians were telling everyone how they'd happily house some refugees. It'd be a bit odd if our own needy citizens weren't worthy of similar assistance wouldn't it though so I'm sure they'll be queueing up to do so shortly.