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I suppose one question that is worth pursuing is - what other ways are there of achieving the same ends? How do the AV companies do it? How do the other 3rd party "parental control" companies do it? (eg: the ones that service schools and libraries etc.)? How do the BT parental controls get their site info? How were the Chinese planning to do it with their "Green" website blocking thingy? How do IWF do it? (receiving reports from others AFAICS) Are TT proposing to do it better? Is their service needed? Or is it a means to an end? Finally - which is the more important task - finding and neutralising all the zombied machines on your network? Or adding to the whitelist/blacklist systems already out there already?
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If that were TalkTalk's plan their existing DPI equipment, through which 100% of their customer base are routed, would be more than capable. It would also be totally transparent. |
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there are many people who view AV as an expensive opten so don't bother with it as to the last two paragraph Quote:
the same with a cache / proxy, if you make a request for a web page (bbc news home page) it will go and get (order in that page) if the next person makes the same request the cache / proxy will say i already have a copy of that on the shelf here it is i do not have to go and order / get another copy from the internet so a cache / proxy speed up and make the internet seem faster for common sites / pages and as with wh smiths the cache has a limited amount of space to store pages so when a page is no longer popular it gets dropped from the cache / shelf Quote:
mail merge in aword processor you have a template and a list of items in a standard format same with dynamic content, a lot of shop type websites are dynamic, they have a database of products ( picture, title ,product description, rating etc) but you do not want to be sat writing a web page for every product, so you have a template page which when you request information on the new toaster for the kitchen it fills in the blanks with the picture etc and also based on products you have viewed or bought before adds suggestions for other products still confused? |
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I use Google search or Bing search and I get ads. I use Gmail and the ads give me a free 7GB inbox. Maybe Talk,Talk will be able to offer a better cheaper service because of the ads? |
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There's also the problem that some of today's lists require that people report infected sites. Something that people may not be willing to do (even assuming they can). I don't know whether TT's system will be better or not, but we are still getting increasing amounts of PCs affected by Malware so clearly someone needs to do something different in an attempt to reduce the problem. |
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However it seems to me that all of that is a 'good ' thing because it makes things faster and more convenient. As for the people who don't protect their PCs well they deserve everything they get for not doing he research or asking questions. |
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and yes ignitionnet i am aware you can have multiple machine share the same IP so long as they do not share the same port id, but in my experience it would be odd to have something like a radius server nat'ed behind a firewall etc |
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I nearly forgot.The question of copyright on webspaces..Isn't that open to abuse by everyone visiting a site.Surely the only way to stop it is to watermark images OR put nothing on a website that you do not want to be copied?
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Is that a problem? It depends. If you are happy that your entire browsing history is accessible to your ISP who may use it for whatever reason, then it's not a problem. |
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i am also very synical about TT's motives the cost of this project will have to be paid for somewhere, TT are saying it will be a free opt in service for its customers (but not websites) so where is the payback? this has to be a front for something else (advertising anyone?) or a system to establish a loophole they (and other ISP's) can exploit later after the system(loophole) is established |
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---------- Post added 08-09-2010 at 00:05 ---------- Previous post was 07-09-2010 at 23:57 ---------- Anyway fun as this has been I need to get some sleep..Thank you for your patience..;) |
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If they are doing anything dodgy, they'll know that some will find out about it and get upset enough to leave or attempt other action. They may, however, gamble that enough customers will either not know, or not be bothered enough about something that any profit the ISP makes will outweigh customer losses.
I have seen no evidence that suggests the system is even capable of this. Even if it is, the concern I have isn't so much that the ISP is logging where I am going. This isn't any different to the phone company logging who I call, apart from one massive difference. The logs the phone company keeps of who I call are protected by UK law. While the ISP logs of which site I visit are protected by EU directive, they are not protected by UK law. |
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this needs to be shown , so that TT are aware they are being watched and people have noticed a possibility of the system being "adapted" or "extended" towards an advertising platform or some other revenue generating system if it is and they are then categorising webpages visited by their customers then we are again in the website terms of use and copyright issues we were in with phorm as i say no direct evidence to support the above, but if it was to head towards a data gather for advertising they will find more brown stuff heading for the rotating blades |
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