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I didnt read it as recording your calls when ringing in to the call centre, maybe thats just me? I read it as them having a record of what calls you have made, as in comparing it to recording what sites you have visited
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Dont forget TT own there own exchanges, They are run for them by opel telecoms
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this is not the case with the stalk stalk system, no consent is requested from the website or the ISP customer as the process has no option to provide consent, it is just presumed incorrectly that both the customer and the websites they visit will wish to allow talk talk to use their data fot talk talk's commercial benefit and failure of a website to allow the system to scrape the website tags website as potentially hosting malware as it can't be verified this is in effect finding the website guilty of hosting malware until proven innocent by allowing talk talk to scrape the site for their commercial advantage if a website is pay per view, and the talk talk system accesses the same page to verify it with the same session id etc (as appeared to be the case shown by a website who posted some logs ) will the customer be double charged for the access or will it close their session due to the user apparently coming in from a second ip address ? |
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I'm waiting to see the actions of some major corporate websites over this to see how things pan out. No offence but neither your website nor broadband advice are high traffic material and sending bills to Talk Talk smacks of 'activist' more than anything else. If feeling is that strong simply block the server they are using, far less time consuming and far more effective. |
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TT did a covert deployment - no consent from anyone. Then they got caught. In the real world. And they will have to face the real world civil and criminal consequences like a big grown up company. I wonder what would happen if pharmecutical companies started doing covert clinical trials? Without either the patients or the doctor's consent? Changing the content of a given pill, but not telling anyone - just doing some record keeping to see if the new contents of the pill killed or cured at a different rate? Sorry TT - but what TT did was not a test. And I don't take kindly to other people either covertly crawling my website contrary to law or convention, or telling me what conditions I may or may not impose on visitors to my sites, or telling me how to respond to illegal use of my content. Blocking access may be the only way to stop rogue hackers. It shouldn't be necessary for a major UK ISP. Are a small site's rights any less than those of a large site? That's an interesting POV. Personally I would have thought a major UK ISP would have responded to a clear communication from a website telling them to stop their crawling. But it seems that is asking too much from TalkTalk? Undentified robots. No customer or website consent. Misrepresentation of identity. Breaking functionality of sites. Ignoring robots.txt. Refusing to stop when requested. Breaking clearly communicated website Terms and Conditions. Refusing to face the consequences. I think anyone who objects to that lot is being entirely reasonable. YMMV. One thing I do agree on - it will be interesting seeing what large sites say about this. Amazon for example? |
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I don't think small sites have rights that are any different from a larger site, but if a larger site (like the aforementioned Amazon) complains, Talk Talk are more likely to listen.
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Oh, I wasn't discussing the legality of it. Merely stating that if a major site (like Amazon) expresses concerns about it, Talk Talk are more likely to listen the them than they would you or me regardless of whether their actions are legal or not.
If I go to Talk Talk and say "Your actions are illegal, and I will block your users", they are likely to say 'Yeah Yeah", go on about their business and forget about me. If Amazon say the same to them, they are going to sit up and take notice. |
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the thing is even if it is a small site that takes TT to court to enforce charges for accessing their website it sets the same precedent as a large site like amazon if they win
also what we seem to be seeing is there is shareware which is free for private (not for profit / non commercial use) but companies have to pay a licence as they are using it for a commercial purpose all that is happening is some websites are now using this same model if they are sucessful in applying charges to corporates like talk talk for access it would appear to potentailly scupper similar style schemes from all ISP's |
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It is somewhat amusing that website owners think they are entitled to charge ISPs to access their site, their property on the Internet, while jumping up and down to keep the net 'neutral' and prevent ISPs from running their networks, their property, in any way which may prejudice them.
This aside I've no doubt the usual people will be writing to Talk Talk, MPs, Europe, The UN,The Pope, Mahatma Gandhi, God and whoever else even though it doesn't affect them in any way to complain, because that's what they do, and Talk Talk will likely give the usual PR nonsense, then fire an incompetent junior legal advisor who gave this the thumbs up and drop it because it's simply too much hassle. Different day, different company, same people protesting, probably same results due to carelessness of said company. |
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the same way some newspapers are now charging to access content you make it sound like the web sites are charging the ISP's for their customers access the websites from the ISP network, which is not correct |
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I am not saying that big business always wins against the little guy. It doesn't. Ask McDonalds. |
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