Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

As has been said before, the Labour Party seems to suffer from anti-Semitsm and the Conservative Party from Islamophobia. Neither cancels the other out but both leaders need to get a grip. JC by looking in the mirror and at his friends' list and TM at BoJo's latest pearls of wisdom. Until Theresa May asserts herself over BoJo, she has no chance in improving her negotiating position in Brussels.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Finally...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45096519 But of course he won’t, as he is playing ‘dog whistle’ politics.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Mr Johnson's comments maybe a little insensitive but don't attack a whole people group for who they are. He probably should apologise for causing offence even if he believes what he said is true and not intended to cause offence.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

The problem in this country these days is that humour has been sacrificed in favour of political correctness.

Does anyone think the burka looks like a letterbox? If so, you should be able to say so, at least in the context of how Boris made his comparison. It was not done in a hateful way, and that's what those who want to exercise their right to be offended are missing.

When I wore my dear old puffa jacket last winter, I was told I looked like Michelin Man. Was I offended? Of course not, I laughed (and haven't worn it since!).

I resent the fact that some people are trying to undermine British ways, such as our sense of humour, to make ridiculous political points.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Context is all - you are not a national politician writing in a national newspaper.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Boris is just an ignorant, bigoted bloater with delusions of grandeur.. Who is going tell him ? ;) PM? lmao, think TM is safe if he her main opposition ! If the Tories don't deal with him, they are no better than Labour.

Interesting, but not surprising, is the difference treatment the press dish out to Corbyn & Bozza. .

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Bad hair is about as far as the similarity goes. Everything Boris had said ( for example the recent Burkha issue) is completely factual and reasoned.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Really ? Comparing the way people dress to letterboxes? Childish school yard stuff. Designed to insult, and create maximum publicity for himself. As a national politician he's a disgrace (and a joke).

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

I'm not sure you know much about Boris, Pierre. He was sacked by The Times for making up a quote and by Michael Howard for lying about an affair.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/times-bo...son-flat-lied/

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Well, except for the time in 1988 when he got fired from the Times for two made up stories, or the time in November last year he told the House of Commons that “there can be no return to a hard border. There can be no hard border. That would be unthinkable, and it would be economic and political madness”, but said this year that it should not be the UK’s priority to ensure there is “no border” between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, but rather that it should make sure such a border should not be “significantly harder”, or the time during the Brexit campaign when he said it was absolutely crazy that the EU was setting rules on the shape of bananas (spolier alert - it wasn't, and that has been continuously debunked since 1994, but continues to raise it's ugly head every so often), or the time he got fired as Shadow Arts Minister in 2004 for lying about affairs he had had.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Boris gets away with so much just because of his bumbling, eccentric, persona.

What about when he said he would lie in front of the bulldozers to block a new runway at Heathrow only to make sure he was out of the country when the vote came?

Or the money wasted on the Emirates Skyline near the O2 which no ones uses?

Even his resignation from the Foreign Office was typically self-serving after doing so on the day a British citizen was killed as a result of a poisoning in which they suspect Russia.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Ok so we're going back 30 years now..................so relevant, thanks for the heads up.


That is all opinion, which he is entitled to have.

Not sure about the Banana bollocks, but again not sure about your point. I see nothing factual in your examples and certainly nothing that would be in detriment to his comments on Burkhas..............

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Ha, got an expert here obviously.


He was sacked by The Times for making up a quote and by Michael Howard for lying about an affair.
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/times-bo...son-flat-lied/[/QUOTE]

It's truly touching, and a little bit sad and immature, that you had to google, " all the times Boris Johnson had lied"'.

Congratulations, that puts you above most of the press. However, that also puts you in the weasel classification. I look forward to your redemption.

Boris Johnson
 

Pulled the above posts from Corbyn thread, so we can have a Boris thread of our own....

Surprised there isn't one, until now...

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Boris is our Trump.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

I didn't Google that. Boris's sackings are public knowledge to many people. So another false statement on top of your original one about Boris.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I hope the Tories see sense and go for some like Gove over Boris. The former has a proven track record of competence in government departments, unlike Boris, and is less of a extravagant attention seeker. It also seems like Gove did us all a favor when he identified Boris' inability to take things seriously so ran against him last time.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I doubt the teachers (and many parents) would agree with you. Gove is hated within the teaching profession for what he did there while in charge.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Agreed, my wife is a teacher and she's still feeling the effects of his meddling with the National Curriculum...roman numerals and being able to name wild flowers etc for five year olds. He also said if teachers aren't really stressed then the head teacher must be doing something wrong. The man is a complete joke. :mad:

Re: Boris Johnson
 

He has quite a lot in common with Marcus Junius Brutus the Younger.;)

Re: Boris Johnson
 

He has a better record at Justice and Environment where he generally has a better reputation.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

No Gove was useless in Education..Not one of my old colleagues has a good word for him. He basically privatised education through the academies..

Re: Boris Johnson
 

The Education Secretary from 1970-1974 was unpopular with some yet went on to be PM for many years ;)

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Academies are, in the whole, doing very well.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I think the Tories will rip themselves apart and self destruct as usual... Always very entertaining :). P.S. I do hate to be pedantic but I hate American spellings. We're British and proud. It's 'favour'.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Both parties are doing a very good job of that with Jezza the sympathiser again in the news today and with some Conservatives highlighting the underbelly of Islamophobia which is pretty endemic in Tory political ranks..

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Academies do not perform better than maintained schools.
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/epi-report...tant-findings/

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Exactly!

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If you mean that the organisations running them are paying themselves very well and are making profit at the expense of the pupils then you are right.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Here's a very revealing interview with Boris. He does not come across PM material to me, maybe others will disagree?

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Define what makes a good Prime Minister... ?

Tony Blair - former PM - Liar and chief when it came to WMD and the Iraq war.

Gordon Brown - Former PM - Sold Gold at rock bottom prices.

John Major - Former PM - Famous for Black Wednesday financial crisis, exit from ERM, billions wasted - almost resigned as PM.

David Cameron - Former PM - Failed to properly prepare the UK for possible departure from the EU, resigned when he said he would be around to enact the result of the EU Referendum, leave was never expected to win.

So what makes a good PM, because the last few, including the current one, over the last few decades, were/are not up to scratch IMO.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

So who do you rate to be a good PM Mick ?

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I think it's inevitable that the longer someone is a PM the more mistakes they would make. However I would judge it by the ability they have to follow through on policy, command their majority, behave somewhat statesman like on the world stage and generally have a hold on what they are doing.

In those respects i don't think Major, Blair or Cameron were that bad. They'll have have lists of achievements too: the economy, big reduction in child poverty and NHS waiting times etc.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

The trouble is voters always remember the worse things that they done rather then any good they did in their administration's.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Indeed, good question. All you cite were poor in some respect or other. If all we have to choose from is the dross and Boris represents the best choice then we are indeed in dire straights.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Hence my question to Mick - who does he want to lead the country ? If Boris is the answer then we might as well close UK plc now; we'll be the laughing stock of the world (even more so than the US..)

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Not a great lover of Maggie Thatcher personally but she makes these modern politicians look like 3rd rate clowns.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Pretty much the same Den, though I think that first rate clowns also have the same effect on today's morons in Westminster.

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That was one of the best defining moments of his Prime Ministerial premiership IMO, you know...when the UK could actually go round the world and claim to be a global leader.

Now...well let's see how seriously the UK is taken.

Even if you didn't support the war what about the rest of the 10 years? Obviously you're not going to have supported what he did in opening up the UK to potential cheap labor from the East but what about the rest?

If you didn't like every single thing he did, I get it...but is there nothing he did that you are satisfied with?

You have picked one thing here but he is still better than May or Cameron in the most insulting way to both of them - they will never be even half the conservative that he was.

I hated the handgun ban but other than that I acknowledge all the good that Blair did.

Meh, I think that the vote to legalize gay marriage was his biggest disaster - it split the party in such a way that the traditionalist voters of yester-year will never return.

Traditional family values voters will never return to the C&U party...ever. It is now a party of homosexuality and abortion.

May actually opens the eyes of many that being PM is no longer worth anything - it is much better to be the puppet master than the puppet as Johnson has shown. The first thing of any controversy he does since leaving as FS, and she takes the bait, falls into the trap and is now stuck. Major may be the only guiding hand as to how to get out now....but I'll wait for you reply first and then address how May now may have one shot at getting out of this.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

they are legal (and have been for over 50 years) but not compulsory...

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Oh, did you mean generally speaking or for membership of the Conservative party? Because if the latter, I would assume that it is practically compulsory. /Rasp

Re: Boris Johnson
 

As a long standing member of the Tory party, no they’re not, and they’re not such a problem as a vociferous minority make out...

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Argh, it irritated the shit out of my when my husband did it but what really got me is that we use laptops from the US and when they keyboard preference is set to US English it just randomly takes the letter "u" out of every word it feels like.

Grrr...(though it might just be a keyboard thing with Damien).

Re: Boris Johnson
 

He will go down in history as Burka Boris the Buffoon... but I agree with him on this one.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Not necessarily. He knows when there is weakness, he preys on it in a rather clumsy and affable manor....remember what happened when he spoke ill of folks in Liverpool? Howard made him go there, and apologize. He had an affair while serving in the shadow cabinet...Howard sacked him.

With May though, he has had a free ride all the way - every single time.

Why? Because she has no strength or conviction. More than just being a "flake" or whatever you want to call her, she is afraid.

Terrified of...well, everyone.

The mess after mess he has made as Foreign secretary...nobody from within government ever pulled him in line.

Remember him calling Thornberry by her husband's title?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...r-sexism-video

Look at the tongue lashing that an embattled speaker, in Bercow gave him.

May would never ever say a word to him...strong leaders though, do.

Cameron fought with him plenty, Howard sacked him - even IDS and Hague did not tolerate his wild behavior.

May does...usually with a smile and cute little nod. As if she knows her place and how she is to be subservient to whatever his whims / demands are.

See any other foreign secretary would be forced to vote yes - he too...if she wasn't PM.

When Goldsmith resigned as an MP, he ran as an independent and lost his own seat! The Tories did not even field a candidate as she was so afraid of it splitting the vote and giving the seat to the Lib Dems...what happened in the end again?

Yeah or the water canons when he was Mayor...I remember someone mentioning that when she sought the leadership...

How long did they let him stay in the official quarters even after Hunt had been confirmed as foreign secretary? When you have a weak leader you can get away with anything you want...think IDS or Howard etc would let him get away with what he has to date (in this last year) if they were leader? As soon as he quit as foreign secretary, the first time that he did something controversial she picked a fight over it. And lost.

He is like anyone else in politics - likely to savage the weakest to get to the top. His biggest mistake was staying on so long after the election / becoming FS in the first place. Then again, what difference did it make? He pissed all over her anyway.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

He also seems to have a support base amongst these former colleagues in the media. Hence The Telegraph's support and, surprisingly since they're usually quite fair, The Spectator downplaying his every screw-up just because he used to be their editor.

He has Chris Grayling levels of achievement, a trial of failure in his wake, but is a contender fo the leadership because he can turn a phrase and has name recognition.

And that's without me mentioning his inability to tell the truth since that has already been discussed.

Still Corbyn had naff all qualification to be Labour Leader so maybe this is politics now.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Okay so this is her one chance to go ahead and show some back bone / get a win...she will have to really come off as selfless, rather than selfish though - for once, take a hit for the team and really sacrifice, for the party.

Major resigned as party leader and then forced a vote of no confidence to be tabled, and beat Redwood, correct? (My memory is foggy plus I was only like 7 or something at the time).

If this investigation into Boris does lead to him being suspended, he won't be able to run for the leadership of the party, will he?

So...have the investigation into him go somewhere. Then as he is suspended, call a LE. If you lose...oh well. Either way Boris is screwed.

Now this won't happen, for 2 reasons:

1. May is the most idiotic woman going...even with Major's precedent she won't know how to pull this off without help. To put it mildly, she is too idiotic.

However she has staffers who will be able to do the hard work while she continues playing the role of the village idiot. So problem and obstacle number 1 is off set.

2. She is the most power hungry tramp going...she seems to have come to the agreement that she will take whatever (lying down usually), whenever and wherever, from whoever....so long as she gets to stay in power. She seems to have agreed this with, well...herself. (The last person left who thought that she herself had any dignity left).

She is unlikely to do something like this if she thinks that she is going to lose.

She has had some air of confidence when strutting into 1922 committee meetings knowing that she will survive so long a she provides what lip service that is needed. (No, that is not some vulgar reference to sexual gratuity before anyone starts...)

Now, if she stitches up Boris so that he can't run, there may well be so much anger that she actually loses the vote. Maybe.

At this point though, she has to remain totally committed to screwing Boris over, win or lose. She has to put the strongest conservative in there - either stealth and consensus like Davis or principled like Fox or Hammond.

So that person will not be toppled and can beat a weak Corbyn LP, effectively freezing Boris out of number 10 for good.

Sure, she'll be done as PM...so in some ways she needs to look at the positives. Like her daily torment and humiliation coming to an end.

She then needs to leave nasty little lines to say...people like Davis, and say stuff like "remember when Boris said that we would have a land of milk and honey and we would have our cake and eat it? Well obviously as a diabetic I can't but destroying his political career is sweet enough for both of us".

Or say to Gove "remember when you stabbed Boris in the back to let me become leader?" in ear shot of Boris.

Then she can take her seat in the Lords. She can turn around and say "yes, I was the most humiliated PM in history - but at least I managed to get there!"

Now obviously none of this will happen but the party chair seems to have other ideas - he looks to be fermenting his own run for leadership by complaining about Boris's article. He knows that she is too stupid to realize that she will now lose, but is she?

All that is just one big pip dream though, she really doesn't have the spine for any of that because of obstacle number 2...her own fear of...well, everything, and everyone.

Issue number 1 can be taken care of by those in power that dictate her every move.

Back to reality though....Boris is now in pole position to take over and call a GE so he can get enough of a majority to get a no deal vote through parliament ; because if not, we're staying in the EU.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

The Hard left and Corbynista group AKA Momentum, their Twitter poll results on withdrawing whip from Boris Johnson....

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1534333204

:rofl:

And yes I voted no, the whole row is pathetic. People need to stop getting offended at the slightest thing.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Like photos of someone attending a funeral ?

the poll result is probably because they want Bozza as PM; the next election would then be a walkover for Comrade Corbyn.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

The leader of the opposition, seen attending the memorial event of dead terrorists isn’t offensive, it’s a disgrace. Don’t conflate the two.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

He shouldn't have attended, period.

No at all - the only person that Corbyn could beat, was May. He lost that chance after last year and now will never be PM.

(Twofold, one after you nationalize you always socialize but that looks to be waning and secondly May was the weakest leader that he will ever face - he'll out-survive both May and Cameron but the next Tory leader will crush him, assuming that it is not Michael Gove).

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Could it be Tory fake news... damn where have I heard this from.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

What part of it do you think is fake news? If you think that a majority of the C&U party do not support Boris over this then you are mistaken...deeply.

It is not fake news, he has a majority of the entire country on his side on this issue.

And he knows it.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

The problem with Boris, is Boris. If he was Mickey Mouse, he'd be PM, no problem :D

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Given that number 10 is occupied by Daffy duck at the moment I am pretty sure that Mickey would be an improvement.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Yes utterly agree. Vote for Mickey, you know it makes sense ! Although Goofy might also be a good bet, or the remaining Chuckle Brother....

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Ahhh don't besmirch the good name of Paul Chuckle!!!

Some Labor party politician compared the Tories to the chuckles recently.

Barry was a great guy.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Yes, the world is a sadder place, but think we've strayed off topic, my fault !

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Ahh no worries the thread seems to be dying down some, anyway - I don't want people generating responses for the sake of it (conversation takes it natural ending).

It happens a lot with me with the posts I make - they tend to be the more finite endings of discussions a lot. When you tend to do this a lot / know politics like the back of your hand you tend to steer where the discussion goes unfortunately and I do a lot of that inadvertently.

Not your fault at all - just the natural flow of a topic. :) (Ask Luther, it's a miracle that these don't all end up being discussions about breasts / lingerie and dresses).

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I suspect it is dying, as you put it, because once you cover the points that Boris is an idiot and not fit for office, what is left? Just a bad joke ..

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Funny you should mention that, apparently Post Boxes have now entered the fray.

https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2018/08...y-letterboxes/

Caution, may contain language some may consider offensive.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

tbf the letterboxes have a point....

Re: Boris Johnson
 

But not really.

Boris was the Mayor of London, which by the way, has a office that he WAS fit for and he did a rather splendid job of the place - far cry from what it has become now, under a certain crappy mayor, with moped crime/knife crime/Acid attacks/murders blah blah. He WAS fit for office and he would make a better PM than May and the terrorist loving sympathiser, leader of a leftist, socialist cult and a racist Anti-Semitic, Jeremy Corbyn, any day.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Boris wasted a lot of money as mayor on pet projects like the skylift and the garden bridge. His record isn't great.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

He is way better than the current one, any day.

His approval rating was 54% on leaving office of London Mayor in 2016. There was low expectations when he got the job, but as he was re-elected in 2012, to serve two terms, he must have been a hit to get that far.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Do you live in London Mick? Maybe best to leave it to Londoners to decide how brilliant he was. Personally think they were welcome to him ! Andy Burnham, now he's a great Mayor ;)

Re: Boris Johnson
 

You could say the same thing about Ken Livingston, then...

(I wouldn’t, but he served two terms)

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I will remember that next time you criticise President Trump and will ask you if you live in America, if not, tell you to let them decide if he is good or not.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Same would apply to you Mick ;)

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I’ll decide what applies to me, no one else.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

He does not need to substantiate it, it is, as you say, in the public domain:

Former Conservative co-chair Baroness Warsi: The Islamophobia scandal in the Conservative party goes 'right up to the top'

Some examples:

Tory MP accused of Islamophobia after posting anti-Muslim article on Facebook

Tory councillor suspended over 'Muslim parasites' post the day after visiting a mosque with party's Deputy chairman

Tory candidate suspended for suggesting ‘people hang bacon to protect homes from terrorism’

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Or claim they didn't know what they were voting for and demand a re-run .

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Both main parties are still in denial with Islamophobia and Antisemitism as they basically pay insincere lip service to it in their parties.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

So you want elections to last a lifetime and not have new elections after a parliamentary period?

Maybe some of us who think that the public should have a final say on the EU issue are projecting a Democratic election onto the mandate of a referendum but perhaps you are projecting the principle of a referendum upon what is defined as an election?

These are not lifetime appointments when elected to parliament ; fresh elections after a certain period of time are the norm....

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

did you actually read what i said ?

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Yeah (given that I replied to it).

I suppose that you don't see the irony.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Did you understand it ?

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Apparently not...enlighten me.

Re: Labour's Direction Under Jeremy Corbyn
 

I agree (kind of). His views but not his words were rational. Maajid Nawaz summarises the situation very well:

This is the right approach. The stress being this that this is not a criticism of the woman wearing the clothing, rather the men behind the diktat.

Boris, having subtlety surgically removed at an early age is unable to see the nuance that is needed here. His clumsy approach was and is more likely to lead to dog-whistle racism than focusing the criticism on the people really responsible for this.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

I don't think that them doing that equates to them seeing sense. I think that they would nominate a leader that could not lead the party into a GE.

His wife makes up for it on that front - at her encouragement he destroyed Boris which is why we all have May now.

Oh I dunno...there are many places where I differ with Boris but having your stooge / campaign head stab you in the back hardly shows the seriousness of the guy that screwed you over....

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Boris Johnson confronted in hospital with a unhappy father of a sick child.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...pital-11813046

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Yeh OK.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

'A labour activist'....

Re: Boris Johnson
 

Not interested who he is a activist for as he is voicing everything that is wrong with the NHS currently unless you disagree with those sentiments?.

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Who he supports politically does not interest me.

Re: Boris Johnson
 

This thread is closed as we have just had a similar topic closed because of the endless arguments that ensued.