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Re: Talking Pictures in trouble again for broadcasting words offensive to black peopl

Racist football "fans" often make monkey noises, gestures and throw bananas onto the pitch to insult black players. Context is all. :erm:

Re: Talking Pictures in trouble again for broadcasting words offensive to black peopl

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35936566)

Racist football "fans" often make monkey noises, gestures and throw bananas onto the pitch to insult black players. Context is all. :erm:

And they should be thrown out of football grounds and banned as its a terrible example to set for others.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35936566)

Racist football "fans" often make monkey noises, gestures and throw bananas onto the pitch to insult black players. Context is all. :erm:

What match was this ?

In the distant past, I have know noises to be made, but not at any match Ive been to in the last 20 or so years.

I have never seen a bananna thrown onto a pitch.

I do remember many years ago when inflatables were all the rage, one team had inflatable banana's.
No one thought that was an issue, just fun with inflatable fruit. No doubt some muppet would decide to get "offended" by them these days.

** No offence to muppets intended :D

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35936566)

Racist football "fans" often make monkey noises, gestures and throw bananas onto the pitch to insult black players. Context is all. :erm:

Yes, but that is very different because the word is used to insult and provoke. But if I laughingly said to someone in response to a cheeky comment ‘You monkey!’, I would not expect them to be offended, and certainly the black friends I know would not be.

However, what is galling is those white people who claim to be offended on behalf of black people. They simply don’t understand the issue at all. These were the people who used to call others out for asking for ‘black coffee’. What were they thinking? That being black was something to be ashamed of?

I think we all need to be a little more thick skinned.

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35936569)

Some recent examples

2015 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...monkey-6801775

2017 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...monkey-racist/

2017 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...s-league-fans/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...d-by-Uefa.html

2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27279997

2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...peaks-out.html

2017 http://m-api.allfootballapp.com/article/204368

Re: Talking Pictures in trouble again for broadcasting words offensive to black peopl

Just to keep it on a fair representation.....

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...gram-1-4686696

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35936556)

As I previously posted, context is all - as Charles M. Blow wrote

Regarding the N word and the usage of the word Queer, have you ever considered that it may be the people who were denigrated by the usage of the term(s) taking back the word, and empowering themselves by using it within their groups.

You said either a word is acceptable or it isn't, but that's a very simplistic view - you would never have been called the N word or Queer as an insult (or probably in any way) as you are neither, so who are you to tell someone who has had it used against them how they should use it - I know lots of Yorkshiremen who call each their Yorkshire friends "you tight barsteward", but if someone who they didn't know from London said it, they might take offence.

As I said, context is all, and like life, not black and white - ymmv.

Yes, I've heard some gay people say that they are reclaiming the word Queer and empowering themselves by doing so, I got the impression that the young black lads were doing it to appear 'street'.

Interesting that you've used the N word to describe one insult, but Queer for another (not a criticism, just an observation).

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35936570)

Oh yes, I remember that black/white coffee phase. I think the PC types wanted everyone to say coffee with or without milk instead.

These actions only serve to belittle the real issues and are nothing more than (normally white) people trying to collect brownie points by virtue signalling.

I was once called racist for saying I had got myself into a "prickly situation"!

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35936574)

I'm surprised at this, I thought that the Kick Racism/Homophobia campaigns had led to the cessation of such incidents. Stewards are said to be on the lookout for such behaviour and people have been ordered to leave or banned from stadia as a result.

I think that some teams have had points deducted for the behaviour of their fans too.

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35936595)

Ok, but all of those (excpet one I think) are in other countries, and one was on a bus, not at a match.

The trouble is its a bit like the hooligans in the 70's and 80's and 90's in the UK as it has been generally stamped out at football grounds but like many other things its still there but not at football grounds generally.

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Surprisingly, the self labelled 'Queen of political correctness' Yasmin Alibhai-Brown today said that an American high school were wrong and stupid in banning novels by the authors Harper Lee and Mark Twain on the grounds that they contained racist terminology which marginalised and humiliated some students.

She went on to say that the words used were prevalent at the time and that this is the reason why they are important and that novels like To Kill a Mocking Bird were essential reading as they showed today's students what it felt like to be called such names and that any discomfort felt by today's students should come secondary to this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...of-N-word.html

Re: Talking Pictures in trouble again for broadcasting words offensive to black peopl

I'm almost 64, I wish the compensation claim culture had been around when in my 20's, I'd have been rich enough to never work again.

Racism/homophobia have been around years . . and will remain for years. It gets lots more attention now because of the advances in media technology and (often) it is used to make the accuser look lilly white in a world of grey (can I write that? )

One of the worst things to help keep racism/homophobia alive and kicking is the constant exposure it gets, I think everyone knows it's a 'nono' by now, you don't need to shove it in our faces every 10 minutes. The more of it I see in the media, the more I lose interest in it.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35936650)

I'm almost 64, I wish the compensation claim culture had been around when in my 20's, I'd have been rich enough to never work again.

Racism/homophobia have been around years . . and will remain for years. It gets lots more attention now because of the advances in media technology and (often) it is used to make the accuser look lilly white in a world of grey (can I write that? )

One of the worst things to help keep racism/homophobia alive and kicking is the constant exposure it gets, I think everyone knows it's a 'nono' by now, you don't need to shove it in our faces every 10 minutes. The more of it I see in the media, the more I lose interest in it.

Luckily you haven’t hadn’t been on the receiving end of racism or homophobia - I would imagine those who have are really fed up with it.

Re: Talking Pictures in trouble again for broadcasting words offensive to black peopl

Probably, but that doesnt change the point.
If you keep banging on about something people get fed up, and stop listening.

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35936695)

Probably, but that doesnt change the point.
If you keep banging on about something people get fed up, and stop listening.

And if you don’t ‘bang on about it’, people carry on behaving that way, because no one says anything, so it can’t be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35936719)

And if you don’t ‘bang on about it’, people carry on behaving that way, because no one says anything, so it can’t be a problem.

Not true.
You can say something without going on, and on, and on, and on, about it.

but if you keep banging on about it, people get fed up, and stop listening.

Rinse and repeat.