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Tim Deegan

13-03-2012 12:23

Re: UK nuclear plans 'put energy in French hands'Government plans for nuclear power r

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35398506)

Well knowledge of the industry has come on a long way since those occurrences and so has technology.Chernobyl was undoubtedly caused by poor maintenance and poor design .Three mile island was caused by human error and mechanical faults .In a modern reactor these sort of issues ,although not impossible to happen ,would be a lot less likely to happen .I think safety has come on in leaps and bounds since those accidents

And it's the fact that there is still a possibility that makes it unacceptable.

Remember they said Buncefield would never happen.

Also as watzizname says, plutonium is also going to run out. So money needs to be invested in clean alternatives.

GazzaB

13-03-2012 13:49

Re: UK nuclear plans 'put energy in French hands'Government plans for nuclear power r

Government policy is a total joke on nuclear.
Still after over 40 years we have no permanent storage solution to the waste that has already been created, its just being left on site!

Building more stations = more waste.

No one wants the waste buried near them. For years now government has been consulting and seeking advice on a permanent burial site with not much progress:-

http://corwm.decc.gov.uk/en/crwm/cms..._overview.aspx

Decommissioning costs for making safe the existing plants is now going to be upwards of £70 Billion

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4859980.stm

The numbers just don't stack up for nuclear and probably never will without subsidy or goverment support AKA subsidy!

Cuttting energy usage and waste and using renewables makes the most sense for the economy, job creation, energy security and for the environment.

Osem	13-03-2012 15:16

Re: UK nuclear plans 'put energy in French hands'Government plans for nuclear power r

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35398509)

And it's the fact that there is still a possibility that makes it unacceptable.

Remember they said Buncefield would never happen.

Also as watzizname says, plutonium is also going to run out. So money needs to be invested in clean alternatives.

I was under the impression that plutonium is largely a by product of nuclear fission so how can it be running out? In fact I thought one of the main issues with fission is what to do with the plutonium the reaction produces... :confused:

Sirius

13-03-2012 15:26

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35398370)

I know I'd rather live next door to a wind farm, than a nuclear power station. :erm:

Have done and i have no issues :Sun:

Tim Deegan

13-03-2012 15:29

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35398626)

You are getting into serious boffin territory now :erm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fission

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35398631)

Have done and i have no issues :Sun:

Are you sure?? :p:

Tim Deegan

13-03-2012 15:42

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35398637)

Breeder reactor

That's just using up the Uranium we already have, let alone the Plutonium that's stockpiled. Supply of the fissile stuff isn't the problem.

It still doesn't make nuclear power any safer.

Taf	13-03-2012 15:49

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35398626)

....what to do with the plutonium the reaction produces... :confused:

Drop it on Iran :dunce:

Dai	13-03-2012 15:57

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35398451)

Don't take any notice of anything you read in the Daily Mail

If you don't like the DM perhaps you'd like to argue with the Wikipedia entry instead? I'd recommend the section headed "Environmental Considerations"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element

Tim Deegan

13-03-2012 15:59

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Originally Posted by DaiNasty (Post 35398678)

If you don't like the DM perhaps you'd like to argue with the Wikipedia entry instead? I'd recommend the section headed "Environmental Considerations"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element

It still doesn't get around point number '2'

Osem	13-03-2012 16:30

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35398666)

Drop it on Iran :dunce:

God forbid. lol

martyh

13-03-2012 16:36

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35398651)

It still doesn't make nuclear power any safer.

you are using old and relatively primative designs of reactor as a bench mark though modern reactors will be a lot safer than those built 30 yrs ago .

Tim Deegan

13-03-2012 16:39

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35398713)

you are using old and relatively primative designs of reactor as a bench mark though modern reactors will be a lot safer than those built 30 yrs ago .

Obviously they should be. But that still doesn't make a nuclear disaster impossible. The UK isn't big enough to evacuate several counties until the radiation subsides in 50 years or so.:shocked:

martyh

13-03-2012 16:58

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35398716)

Obviously they should be. But that still doesn't make a nuclear disaster impossible. The UK isn't big enough to evacuate several counties until the radiation subsides in 50 years or so.:shocked:

The big question is do the inherent risks outweigh the benefits

martyh

13-03-2012 17:20

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35398747)

Or have the countryside and sea shores covered in turbines that are useless until the wind blows so the lights go out regularly.

I know which i prefer ,save the sea life and bring on nuclear power

Tim Deegan

13-03-2012 17:23

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35398747)

Or have the countryside and sea shores covered in turbines that are useless until the wind blows so the lights go out regularly.

Have you ever lived on the top of a hill in the middle of the Pennines? It's not very often that there is no wind. And the same goes for off shore.

Wind power isn't the only alternative.

In my town there used to be a remote controlled gas turbine generator, that was only used when it was really needed.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35398749)

I know which i prefer ,save the sea life and bring on nuclear power

And then kill the sea life with radiation.

The Irish sea is the most radioactive sea in the world thanks to Sellafield.

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