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Talking of sore losers: Bercow has come out as a Remoaner. Now we know the real reason why he insulted the POTUS.

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UK could be shut out of super-accurate EU GPS system it helped to build
Exclusive: The EU’s Galileo GPS system went live in December, but the UK will now have to negotiate, and pay for, access to it

Brexit could leave the UK out of new EU-wide global positioning system (GPS) that went live in December after more than 15 years in development, with much of the cutting-edge work having been carried out by British companies.

The Galileo system, developed in partnership between the European Union and the European Space Agency (a 22-country, non-EU organisation that the UK will not be leaving), has been years in the making, and was built to end the dependence of European countries on GPS technology provided by either the US, Russia or China, who could shut down access to their systems should they so decide.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7574206.html

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Not sure about the language that is now returning to this thread, but plenty of leave voters I know dislike Trump and his politics, particularly for the views of his deputy Pence.

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To shut down their GPS systems would be to spite their own faces. The signal is freely available to ANY compatible receiver, the GPS system has no knowlege as to the end user.

The EU GPS was another vanity project, hugely expensive waste of money and again the signals are freely available to ANY compatible reciever.

Just yet another mythical scare story. :rolleyes:

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And all the countries of the world will be queuing up to instate trade agreements with a country who just tears up trade agreements when it feels like it...

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Trump, America. ;)

TPP link

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What language?

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My God the world is going to fall in around our ears now we've dared to do our own thing. We're truly going to be left high and dry aren't we, ostracised by the entire EU and surgically excised from every aspect of trade and even the mutual collaboration we've been part of, especially those in which the UK's expertise has been vital. How could anyone have been so stupid to want to leave all those friendly EU nations who've kept us afloat all these years and just when the future was looking sooooo good just the other side of the Channel? :shrug:

I've now realised how wrong I was to vote 'out' and am going to demand another referendum because I was so busy being a swivel eyed loon that I didn't realise what I was really voting for was eternal damnation for the UK. Everyone needs to wake up realise that without the thoroughly united leadership and vision of those wonderful people in Brussels to guide our every thought and deed the UK is doomed to become a socially and economically frozen wasteland while the EU moves from one glorious triumph to another, steering the family of friendly nations to their destiny in the new one size fits all state called Utopia...

It won't be just Europe either, the rest of the world will cut us off too because we were so stupid to think we knew what was right for us. Yes, they'll all refuse to trade with the UK and we'll soon be reduced to the level of a third world nation reliant on the charity of those who knew better.

Please forgive us - we knew not what we did!!!...

:rolleyes:

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whoopie doopie do, we have USA GPS & the Russian one, was there even a need for another EU one, I think we'll be ok thank you.

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Apparently the EU version insists on giving every instruction in all the EU languages one after the other. If you try to modify it, it cuts you off from the system permanently and removes your host country from the service... :D

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Can't these liberal journos at the Daily Telegraph accept the people voted to leave and stop reporting the news? ;)

'Brexit factor'Britons may have to work until their mid-70s if immigration is cut in the wake of Brexit, warns Government's pension adviser

Britons may have to work longer if immigration is cut in the wake of Brexit, according to a warning from the Government’s pension adviser.
John Cridland, a former CBI director reviewing the state pension age for the Government, said the “Brexit Factor” had made the future of the state pension uncertain.
The Government’s decision on pension changes, due in May, will be informed by Mr Cridland’s report to be published one month earlier.
Brexit is likely to reduce the number of people of working age coming into the UK from the EU and, unless this shortfall is made up elsewhere, the UK’s old-age dependency ratio looks set to rise
New calculations reveal a “hard Brexit” in which migration is greatly reduced, could push up retirement ages, potentially forcing people to work well into their mid-70s.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-pension-age/

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Oh big surprise - we will have to work longer for our pensions. That was there before Brexit vote as we are living longer and the honest people looking after the pension pots have ensured such great returns on the money we put in.

I'd hope we would remain part of Galileo, after all we have already contributed to it. After all it was intended to be a commercial system rather than the more military controlled US version that the Pres can order to more or less accuracy as he wants. Galileo was intended to provide much more accurate positioning to more people than currently available.

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The article says that a hard exit will increase the working age by more years than if we remained or had a soft Brexit.

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No it doesn't.

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It appears the choice of a hard Brexit will increase the working age or increase taxes according to this statements in the article:

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May, could, might, blah, blah, blah...

The sky 'might' fall in as a result of Brexit!

On the other hand it might not. :rofl:

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What did the law firm say about what the UK govt. will have to do about taxes/spending in the alternative scenario when all the migrants get old and want their pensions, social care?

Talk about myopia.

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You assume that all migrants are happy to remain in the UK and pay sky-high rent forever. They don't.

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If, May, might, could, possibly, potentially etc, - this is the language of speculation and therefore not real News.

Does, did, will, has, had, etc, - this is the language of certainty.

Ultimately most of the reportage to do with brexit falls into the Speculative category, as it hasn't happened yet and no one knows really what will happen.

Therefore the vast majority of the links and reportage posted on this thread is bollocks.

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Andrew, please take this in the humorous spirit in which it is meant, but are you the new 'Georgy Boy', spreading words of doom on Brexit Britain?

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What language?

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No reason why we can't use the system, just like the other GPS. It's just a specialised receiver. There's no talk back channel. UK maps will still be available for the rest of the EU and so for us.

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We could always use GLONASS :D

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Interesting article. I guess some will perceive the civil service as over-manned so they believe it will have capacity if not the experience to negotiate Brexit despite the austerity cuts

Civil Service not ready to negotiate Brexit, says former head Lord Kerslake

Britain's Civil Service is not in a fit state to negotiate Brexit, according to a former top mandarin.

Lord Kerslake, who ran the Civil Service from 2012 to 2014, said he was "seriously concerned" about the capacity of Britain's officials to negotiate Britain's departure, adding that the decision to leave the single market would only exacerbate the issue.

Talking to Sky News at the launch of his report into the Treasury, Lord Kerslake also warned that former chancellor George Osborne and the institution itself had undermined their reputation with their extreme economic warnings ahead of the referendum...

Oliver Ilott, Senior Researcher, Institute for Government echoed Lord Kerslake's concerns... "DEFRA, for example, has lost about 35% of its staff and yet 80% of its work relates to Brussels so it's got a huge amount of Brexit work to do, and at the same time it's got the same list of domestic policies that it needs to deliver that it was given back in 2015, and so for departments like DEFRA, there is pressure beginning to build."
http://news.sky.com/story/civil-serv...slake-10767023

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Sorry Andrew, but you really are a defeatist. No one is denying that there will be difficulties, but they will be overcome. I'm glad you weren't in charge in WW11; with your kind of defeatist attitude, we would have lost before we even started

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Another day another scare story getting very tedious now and some people really seem to have a problem with the result of the referendum.

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Yes well it's a big wide worrying world out there and we'd really be much safer cosseted as we are by the EU which only has our best interests at heart after all. :rolleyes:

Maybe some people think a scare a day keeps the Brexit at bay... :D

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Not a chance in hell. :hyper:

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l don't have a problem with it but l do have a problem with the childish name calling and insults on this forum from a very small minority.:rolleyes:

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You noticed too eh? You've been rumbled 1andrew1 ;)

And who is responsible for dishing out all the Dirty, Den? :p:

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its the daily express bashing that gets me down ;)

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Which ones Den?

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No l think you have got the wrong newspaper papa.;)

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Well a intelligent rational man like your good self PB won't take long to form your own conclusions.:)

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It's useful to understand the issues surrounding Brexit. There's nothing defeatist in that, it's called being sensible.
In forums as in life, I prefer to play the ball and not the man. I commend this approach all round.

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by "useful to understand the issues surrounding Brexit." one can only come to the conclusion you mean all the negative information you can drag up .
any hoo carry on being sensible ;)

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Why is it that anti-Brexiteers think they are are the only people who can "understand the issues"? I'm sure many who voted to leave understood the issues they just came to a different conclusion as to what was best for the UK.

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You totally misunderstand me. No one is saying that voters did not understand the issues when they voted.
However, since June a number of issues have been raised eg the resources of the civil service to the impact of air traffic control in the instance of a hard Brexit. It is right and proper that these situations are surfaced by the press and discussed on forums such as this one.

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Believe me Andrew, by far the majority that voted for Brexit were fully aware of the issues surrounding our extrication from the whole corrupt mess.

There will be numerous complications ahead, many (and I accept not all) will be ironed out during the 2yr withdrawl process. The fact is this Country will still be able to operate, nothing is going to come to a sudden halt and within the next 10yrs this country will be begin to prosper again without interference from Europe.

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Just to reiterate my previous point, I've not stated that voters did not understand what they were voting for. I'm saying that's it's beneficial to look at the issues currently arising, and I appreciate that you acknowledge these matters.

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Isn't that a little condescending?

One the face of it, it appears that some of the politicians didn't understand what they were voting for, re leaving the single market being inextricably linked with leaving the EU. The two prominent Remainers, Cameron and Osborne publically stated it, but now some politicians are 'conveniently' ignoring that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dghd...7CrAkQ&index=1

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Thanks, sorry it should have read "not stated" and I've corrected it. And I agree, many politicians did not understand what they were voting for, and that includes Boris Johnson and George Osborne.

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Maybe if the EU wasn't being such a dick about the whole issue then there wouldn't be a problem?

Lets look at it this way there were plenty of issues staying in the EU that weren't being addressed either affecting the UK being a member perhaps other EU states. The only reason they keep their mouth shut is because the UK was becoming a bank of Europe with one way withdrawals now they don't like it.

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I still find it funny how anyone but those who voted remain only understand it. which could be true because it's a fantasy and those that voted to stay in LA LA land are welcome to it. In the mean time I will stick to my brexit vote where reality really happens it's just a shame I have to mix with the misunderstood population that only think their way is the right way.

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No one has said that only those who voted remain understand it.

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That's not what Gavin said. Try reading it again. I refer to your answer not his quote.

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Can you expand?

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You said:-


What Gavin said

Your doom and gloom posts aren't working, the only ones you are preaching to are those who voted remain. The rest of us just sigh when you post yet another.

We know what we voted for and what to expect and know we will be far happier for it.

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This is not about the June referendum. We're all leavers now. I've said that for a long time now but it's probably timely to repeat it.
I'm not preaching to anyone. From time to time, like others I post excerpts from articles. I think it's important to understand the ongoing issues around Brexit. It's important to know that if we did a hard Brexit, things like the air traffic agreements would cease to exist. To pretend these issues don't exist is not a sensible approach and is unrelated to the way anyone cast their vote back in June.
Finally, no one really knows what to expect when we leave the EU as the negotiations have not even begun and the situation is unprecedented.

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an every day doom fest is that the definition of time to time

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No.

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Have you read article 50? If you had then you would realise that hard Brexit is the only option. There will be no "soft Brexit" per se but there may be a transition period. The sooner those who like to comment on remaining in part of the EU for trade realise this the better.

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Why do you have so little confidence in us being able to resolve these things as an independent Sovereign nation? It worries me that you feel so dependant on a group of Nations run by an unelected bunch of people, who's globalist Bilderberg Group connections are so obvious.


If you do believe in global government and the eradication of Sovereign nations, then say so. You are fully entitled to your view and for it to be fully respected..

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You are right. 'Hard' and 'soft' Brexit is terminology invented by Remain in an attempt to define the terms of our departure. Brexit needs no additional descriptors.

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What I'm saying is:
* We're all leavers now. Implication: What you or I think about the EU is irrelevant so little point in debating the rights and wrongs as June 23rd has passed.
* There are issues to Brexit as it's unprecedented and therefore interesting. Implication: Let's discuss these issues and not pretend that they don't exist.

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I know these issues exist. But I have complete confidence that we will resolve them within a hard Brexit scenario. I believe a hard Brexit is essential for our prosperity.


My perception is that you seem to be using them as fear tactics to scare people into believing that a soft Brexit is the only safe option.

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I just get fed up with all the negative articles you reference andrew as though the negative consequences apply only to the UK which in many cases if they were not resolved there would be negatives for both the UK and the EU. Yes you say "we're all leavers now" but you don't agree with brexit you certainly don't support it and you give the impression that your in that minority remain group that would be happy if the UK went down the pan because of brexit. You can put up all the negative articles you want some of which are raising issues that have already been unofficially resolved to the satisfaction of both parties. Or didn't you realise that some negotiations have already started on issues of joint concern to ensure the continued benefit to both sides, why the UK government or the EU haven't made that clear I'm not sure but I'm equally sure one or both will when it suits them.

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But if you are playing Rugby .... ;)

OK so there are more complications to leaving than maybe the public were aware of, but many difficulties can be raised by bureaucrats on all sides who see there power being sidelined. The problem with the EU wasn't free trade or many other aspects we enjoy but that there was/is a perception (even if not true) that the UK was on the "losing" side of the equations. Free movement meant mass immigration, loss of control of some aspects of our legal system (sometimes to the benefit of individuals), unelected Eurocrats dictating how we should behave.

I think it's the latter that was a real issue. The UK has a very different outlook generally to much of the rest of Europe and so diktats from the EU were (perceived as) having an unfair bias against the UK. Now this may just be reticence by some to adopt to "new and better" but it seems to be bourne out by voting patterns in the referendum. Areas that have seen benefits to membership or at least not affected adversely voted to remain while others who have seen less benefit and have (perceived) adverse effect voted to leave.

Many things now being raised are removed from everyday life and many will get a pragmatic solution because they need to be solved and politics can just take a back seat. ATC would be a case in point. Planes need to fly, need to be controlled and so on so a solution will be found and it probably will continue to function pretty much as now at least at a practical level. Customs, why not just relabel the "blue" channel for UK and EU source, as long as our end does the same? Of course the politicians, lawyers and so don't like this, it's too sensible and doesn't help them keep their paying jobs and quangos running.

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If we're not discussing the issues that are arising in Brexit on this thread then there is very little to discuss. The stories I am sharing are the main issues being highlighted at the moment. Surely you don't think we should all ignore them?
This is a thread about Brexit. Some people seem to want to re-tread the debates of June 2016. That's pointless and we need to look at the fresh issues that arise. These may well fit into peoples' perceptions of negative and positive news, it's not for me to judge.
Finally, to re-confirm what I've said in the past. I want the country to be as successful as possible. It's not in my interests to see the country go pear-shaped.

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UK fishermen may not win 'waters back' after Brexit, EU memo reveals
The hopes of British fishermen that the UK can win its “waters back” post-Brexit are expected to be dashed by the European parliament, despite the campaign promises of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, a leaked EU document reveals.
MEPs have drafted seven provisions to be included in Britain’s “exit agreement”, including the stipulation that there will be “no increase to the UK’s share of fishing opportunities for jointly fished stocks (maintaining the existing quota distribution in UK and EU waters)”.
The document, obtained by the Guardian, adds that in order for the UK and EU to keep to commitments on sustainable fishing contained within the United Nations stocks agreement. “It is difficult to see any alternative to the continued application of the common fisheries policy,” it says.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...u-memo-reveals

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There is little to discuss because we are in that pause period before total negotiations begin, in the meantime every tom, dick and harry is speculating and making mountains out of molehills. That's fine if your into that but all that's ever posted on here by you is negative possible aspects of brexit you either don't read or don't post the articles that are pro brexit or mention positive aspects of brexit hence why you come across as you do.

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Negative all the way.:rolleyes: The default position on fisheries is 200 miles or the mid point between countries. The EU cannot impose their conditions on that. We might negotiate some alternative arrangement but it's not a given especially in the case of a hard Brexit.

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So?

Just because 'provisions are drafted' doesn't make it a reality, no one has to agree to anything they feel isn't beneficial to the UK

They could provision that we all speak French, won't make it happen will it.

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If an article has a contribution to make I will post it. At the moment, the articles I have posted are representative of what's out there in the broadsheets, Sky News etc.

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Source

UK fishermen on Brexit

Even the Scottish fishermen voted for Brexit en-masse.

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That says it all.


The bit I liked about Mrs May's speech, was that if we don't like the deal, we just leave.

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I think this post is spot on .I posted ages ago that in reality when we actually do leave we will probably not even notice much because life will continue pretty much as it does now just without the EU and with our own politicians being able do their own thing and you are spot on in that whatever issues do arise we will simply find a way around them because we will have to ,it really is as simple as that.

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Irish PM calls for Brexit transition deal, warns against punishing UK
Full article: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKBN15U1XT

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I'd rather raise up against you tbh Tone, actually it might be a persuasive argument, hand yourself over to the Hague and you'll get mine and millions of other votes to stay in, oh and that's not Billy Hague you're to hand yourself over to either you slippery barsteward

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179

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Bliar - The gift to Brexit that just keeps on giving. :D

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Is anyone really surprised about Blair's stance?


He wants to be part of an institution where policy is effectively made by a bunch of people who weren't directly elected. Why do we expect him to take notice of the result of a UK referendum, where all eligible people were allowed to vote?

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I see Blair still hasn't got the message that vast swathes of people detest him and what he stands for so feels now is the time for him to lead us out of the mess we made by deciding to reject the EU that he was such a key part of dragging us into by hook or by crook.

The people to 'Rise up against Brexit'?

There was I thinking that it was the 'people' who'd voted fot it... :confused:

Clearly Blair and his ilk only respect public opinion when it serves them and their vested interests. Dangerous people.

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Same could be said of the Remain side. How many of those who said to remain in the EEC in the previous referendum, knew what the EEC was to become? Who knew the way in it would enlarge, encompassing former Eastern Bloc countries? Any freedom of movement was for WORKERS. Even the UKs own laws on rights to housing, benefits, etc were very different back then. At least the Leave side knew that their concerns would never be addressed, and that the EU would carry on regardless.

Strangely enough, Blair's comment applies even more so, to those who voted for Scottish Independence. Not even the simple matter of which currency to use, wasn't settled or presented.

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There is not going to be any second vote, when the first one was enough. People like TB need to accept democracy spoke and the majority voted leave and leave we must of that corrupted hell hole.

And if Marine Le Pen wins the French Presidency, bye bye stinking EU.

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Yes. The same could be said of the Iraq war which was clearly voted on under false pretences for reasons best known to Bliar and his powerful mates. Maybe there ought to be a mass uprising against that.

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There were UN approved sanctions and a no-fly zone, that where based upon ACTUAL verifiable actions. How many decades were those to have supposed to have gone on for?

Sadaam DID develop WMDs, he DID launch Scud missiles at Israel, he DID attack the Marsh Arabs with WMDs. He DID have form for what was alleged. Even if he wasn't at the time, he would've in the future. IIRC there were claims of a million children starving because of sanctions, even though the "food for oil" was meant to deal with that. Where they found? Either that was a fake story or they needed rescuing. The intent was for the Iraqis to live freely, and without fear. What was wrong with that?

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Whether one agrees with the rights and wrongs of the Iraq war it was not just Blair and most of his party who voted for it as the opposition benches played their part in it too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...vasion_of_Iraq

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...aq-war-8355179

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@ Nomadking - Think you missed my edit to the post you quoted. ;)

Anyway, what's wrong was it was based on a dossier full of lies. MP's voted accordingly. Blair's claiming the referendum result was flawed and needs to be changed for the same reason. A tad hypocritical I reckon but then Bliar is one of the biggest hypocrites of all.

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I know all that. Parliament was misled that's what I'm saying. Bliar misled parliament yet he has the audacity to challenge the outcome of the referendum on the basis that he truth wasn't told.

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Blair knows what dodgy dossiers look like so he's probably trying to redeem himself having seen the dodgy dossier compiled by BoJo and friends.

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The referendum result should be respected IMO Osem even though l did not vote for it as that is what democracy is supposed to be about but it should not stop people from both sides having a reasonable and mature debate about it without resorting to name calling and insults whether its on this forum or in the much bigger wide wide world as some of the behaviour during the referendum and since then has been pretty deplorable and shameful IMO.

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To put it bluntly, if Blair is involved i will not trust a word he says.

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Indeed but the same applies to most of the politicians of today as well.

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It's ironic, Blairs policy on immigration all those years ago was probably the thing that kicked off the Uks discontent regarding the EU :D

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:tu:

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Anything to help to consolidate the brexiteers.

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EU Admits Overreach as Populist Victories Loom in 2017
I had many debates with remainers on the run up to the Brexit vote and they were all adamant the the EU had no power to impose it's will on the member states!
Cor, bet they feel a bit stupid now that Junker himself has burst that bubble! :D

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It takes a lot to offend me, but the anti-brexit people who say the Brexit voter didn't know what they were voting for.

I knew exactly what I was doing.

Saying we weren't give the full information to vote could also be turned on to them, and now with that idiot Blair calling for people to rise up against the majority is a joke to the majority.

Radio 5 live were talking about this today and didn't want people to talk about the "illegal" Iraq war, missing WMDs and that he should be in court for war crimes.

I have been a life long Labour voter and Brexit will decide who I vote for, and I'm surprised to say ATM I'll be support May. :O

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But you thought leaving the EU meant we'd be leaving the ECHR to, I'd keep quiet on the whole knowing what you were voting for thing if I were you.

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imo, the UK is quite capable of upholding human rights all on it's own.....

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Considering UK lawyers and judges wrote most of it I'd agree, doesn't change the point being made though

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Quite. We certainly don't need to remain part of the EU to maintain a good record on HR and anyone who seeks to give the impression that won't be the case when we leave is either deluded or scaremongering.

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The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU, it's a totally different treaty although required for EU membership.

That said it will be easier to withdraw from it once we've left the EU.

As others have said we are perfectly capable of writng our own HR bill.

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Yes I know. The UK leaving the EU and even withdrawing from the ECHR won't adversely alter our record on human rights to any significant degree, it will however enable us to decide what our priorities are. There's no evidence to suggest otherwise.

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I agree completely, it's just that your post suggested that leaving the EU also meant leave the ECHR.

We know they are separate but there's others...

We have always had a good record on human rights for at least the last 30yrs.

Looks like Blairs in trouble

Labour MPs challenge Tony Blair over Brexit speech

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Tony blair should be happy he's still free to rake in the cash and should stay out of things even though I can't think of anyone who could damage the remain cause more then him.

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I'm just waiting for the remain side to start claiming that Blair's intervention is just another example of unfair pro-Brexit tactics. :D

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I think that if there's to be any rising up, it's the people to drag Bliar out of his hiding place and parade him through the streets in sackcloth and ashes to a richly deserved beheading. There's plenty of spikes in traitors cloister just begging to have heads on them. :D

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Meanwhile more good Brexit news:

Linky

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Now that must be fake... :D

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That was my first thought :D
Honestly, one of the most despised politicians in the UK, feels that people will listen to him :rofl:

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don't worry there will be bad news in bold on the way ;)