Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35939551)

He still, like every other living Prime Minister, recommended we Remain.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35939558)

And probably dead ones like Churchill would have done so too. ;)

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35939565)

well he wanted a united states of Europe so it a certainty


http://www.churchill-society-london..../astonish.html

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35939551)

He still, like every other living Prime Minister, recommended we Remain.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35939461)

A party riven by deep disunity with a weakened leader being led by others sadly...

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939576)

And so did I, but the Eurocrats botched it up, didn't they? The sooner we get out, the better for all of us. Time will prove me right on this

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35939601)

You seem very confident of your position but do you have any supporting evidence? You made a valid, evidence-based case for TV migrating from channels to on-demand but this contrasts with your Brexit trade beliefs.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35939601)

You seem very confident of your position but do you have any supporting evidence? You made a valid, evidence-based case for TV migrating from channels to on-demand but this contrasts with your Brexit trade beliefs.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35939632)

Belief is a good choice of word:



This will not matter if you have Faith. Faith is based on conviction rather than proof.

When Brexit plays out and those that repeat everyday that "I know what I voted for" discover that they are indeed worse off in a variety of ways, will of course accuse those who voted Remain that that they betrayed them and had we all "come together and acted positive", all would have been peachy.

There is no winning here: for those who voted to Leave and those who said Remain.

The sad part is that the sections of England who were duped into believing that their own personal situation was all the EU's fault and that Leaving will improve their own personal wealth will be disappointed. If they were asked at the time: "Would you vote Leave if it means you will be poorer in the short, medium and long term?" A lot of people would have said "No".

Anyway, the Trick was played and we are where we are. No problem really: we can all put on our Empire glasses and wave our Union Jacks. I mean, "When I was a lad, we were fine. We had no EU and we traded with most of the world. So where's the problem is just winding the clock back?"

The PM's shallow speech entreating we all "come together" was a waste of time. The country is fundamentally divided and the Tories are to blame, no one else. No excuse to blame Labour. Any political party who proposes a referendum winnable by a simple numeric majority that will radically change the structural & economic future of the country based on no plan and no ideas will be judged harshly by history.

The biggest joke of them all is when the very people who whined and complained for 40+ years about being in the EU now complain about people complaining we are Leaving ...

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35939632)

Belief is a good choice of word:



This will not matter if you have Faith. Faith is based on conviction rather than proof.

When Brexit plays out and those that repeat everyday that "I know what I voted for" discover that they are indeed worse off in a variety of ways, will of course accuse those who voted Remain that that they betrayed them and had we all "come together and acted positive", all would have been peachy.

There is no winning here: for those who voted to Leave and those who said Remain.

The sad part is that the sections of England who were duped into believing that their own personal situation was all the EU's fault and that Leaving will improve their own personal wealth will be disappointed. If they were asked at the time: "Would you vote Leave if it means you will be poorer in the short, medium and long term?" A lot of people would have said "No".

Anyway, the Trick was played and we are where we are. No problem really: we can all put on our Empire glasses and wave our Union Jacks. I mean, "When I was a lad, we were fine. We had no EU and we traded with most of the world. So where's the problem is just winding the clock back?"

The PM's shallow speech entreating we all "come together" was a waste of time. The country is fundamentally divided and the Tories are to blame, no one else. No excuse to blame Labour. Any political party who proposes a referendum winnable by a simple numeric majority that will radically change the structural & economic future of the country based on no plan and no ideas will be judged harshly by history.

The biggest joke of them all is when the very people who whined and complained for 40+ years about being in the EU now complain about people complaining we are Leaving ...

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939636)

My opinion is based on a huge number of reports, articles and observations on what is going on - I am sure there's a short snappy article I could lay my hands on, but I'm not spending time trawling through them.

However, I would point out that the Euro is by no means out of the wood, a number of southern EU economies are still in the mire and disaffe tion with the EU is increasing in EU countries. The EU is not willing to listen, and so this little powder jkeg will sooner or later explode.

What is more, the EU is the worse performing large economy and sooner or later the whole bureaucratic, rule bound mess will implode. This is not the Europe I hoped for back in the day.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35939638)

The Conservatives have addressed it, so all credit to them for that.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35939644)

Other than the fact the EU are our biggest trading partner another reason we really need to secure a decent trade deal with them is that it looks like the US deal isn't going to be so great for us: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...-war-gg8x2pd6f

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35939649)

and still the Brextremists says it gonna be easy to do deals all living in fantasy island

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35939640)

Old Boy, again you post things like the worst-performing large economy when this clearly isn't true. I don't pretend the EU's a bed of roses but it's not the worst-performing one and the EU 27 are growing faster than the UK at the moment. I encourage you to look at the evidence and then form your opinion.